Boston Bruins IV-Rumors, Trade Proposals, Speculation, etc.. (rumors must have recognized source/link)

[veganbruin]

So we give up a 1st and Beecher to dump Kase and expose Rakell to Seattle? If we protect Rakell then they take DeBrusk.

Okay fair enough Rakell ain’t the guy. I guess just rent a UFA like Ryan and cross our fingers.

 

[veganbruin]

I think Richard Rakell forgot how to score three years ago and has two fewer goals this season than Danton Heinen.

He might have. Or Danton Heinen is a good player that we should have kept?

 

[DKH]

First thing of importance here is to notice who the writer is.

I'll be shocked and stunned with the rest of the hockey world if Nashville takes a d-man back that requires protection in the expansion draft. They have their 3 in Josi, Ellis and Fabbro. They want a young d-man they don't have to expose, and not one they could potentially lose in a few months.

Which is why Vaakanainen makes sense.

Vaak + Prospect + Pick could be enough to get it done.

Vaakanainen
2nd round
Prospect???

not sure

If they do that deal it’s a potential 3 D long term killer

1. Ekholm would have to signed eventually. and obviously protected. They get him for about 100 NHL games

2. you lose Vaakanainen who has expansion protection

3. Lauzon & Grzelcyk exposed and logically you lose one

I’m for protecting Lauzon and working out deal with Seattle to keep Grzelcyk

no expansion I’m in with deal but can’t do that deal and potentially lose 2 D plus the draft pick which could be a D for 100 NHL games

 

[sarge88]

He might have. Or Danton Heinen is a good player that we should have kept?

Anaheim might beg to differ considering Heinen was scratched the other night.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

Okay fair enough Rakell ain’t the guy. I guess just rent a UFA like Ryan and cross our fingers.

Seattle screws up every trade idea out there.

 

[veganbruin]

Seattle screws up every trade idea out there.

Jesus, yeah. Why can’t they just move The Coyotes up to Seattle?

 

[ON3M4N]

I think Richard Rakell forgot how to score three years ago and has two fewer goals this season than Danton Heinen.

Doesn't help when two of your 3 most common linemates are the corpse of Ryan Getzlaf and a guy who just cleared waivers

 

[sarge88]

Vaakanainen
2nd round
Prospect???

not sure

If they do that deal it’s a potential 3 D long term killer

1. Ekholm would have to signed eventually. and obviously protected. They get him for about 100 NHL games

2. you lose Vaakanainen who has expansion protection

3. Lauzon & Grzelcyk exposed and logically you lose one

I’m for protecting Lauzon and working out deal with Seattle to keep Grzelcyk

no expansion I’m in with deal but can’t do that deal and potentially lose 2 D plus the draft pick which could be a D for 100 NHL games

Good points - although I'd still consider it if it could go this way.

Trade Vaak in a package for Ekholm.

Protect, McAvoy, Carlo, Lauzon

Expose Grzelcyk

Work out a deal where they don't take Ekholm.

2021 - 2022 Defense

Ekholm - McAvoy
Lauzon - Carlo
Zboril - Clifton/Miller (re-signed)

It won't happen because I think they like Grizz more than I do --- and it's not that I don't like him -- I just like the others better.

 

[ON3M4N]

So we give up a 1st and Beecher to dump Kase and expose Rakell to Seattle? If we protect Rakell then they take DeBrusk.

Trade DeBrusk in a deal for Rakell.

Protect: Marchand, Bergeron, Pastrnak, Coyle, Rakell, Ritchie, (undecided FWD), McAvoy, Carlo, Lauzon, Vladar

Make a deal w/ SEA to take Zboril in exchange for Kase rights

 

[BlackFrancis]

I'm usually the person scolding about teams not trading their captain, but here's an outside-the-box idea.

Offer to take Gio and Bennett from Calgary for basically nothing. The Bruins will have the cap space. They could plug Giordano beside either Charlie or Carlo. He's perfect in that you can expose him to Seattle and regardless of whether they take him or not, it doesn't really hurt you. Has definitely lost a step, but he's still a smart player and 100% certified veteran leadership, though he might be called the worst captain in the history of mankind and bears the blame for the Tkachuk nonsense depending on which Flames fan you talk to.

Bennett gets an audition and slots wherever he fits. If he works out, he gets the QO. If not, see ya.

The lure is solidifying the backend without giving away the farm. Even with a lost step, Gio's arguably better than Ekholm, if for no other reason than he's not currently injured. They can save their bullets for an impact RW for Krejci and whatever else crops up along the way.

I'm sure I will hate this post once the meds wear off.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Bobby Ryan is scoring at a 21 goal pace on a crap Wings team. Could be a low cost rental option. Right hand shot, which wing does he play?

Right....

but Bobby Stevenson. aka Ryan is 33, and knowing his past history, Oates, as we do... back to his days as a Ducks prospect at 21 in a city like Portland back in the mid 2000s, doesn't really move the needle to what Boston is trying to become up front.

 

[the negotiator]

Seattle screws up every trade idea out there.

This is such an accurate and under emphasized statement

Every potential deal has a tail called expansion..,.so the immediate price of obtaining a player isn't necessarily the total cost

factoring in who gets protected or not makes likely makes the offer from selling team less attractive than in a normal year . And this probably means less selling takes place

 

[HallOfFamer]

Vaakanainen
2nd round
Prospect???

not sure

If they do that deal it’s a potential 3 D long term killer

1. Ekholm would have to signed eventually. and obviously protected. They get him for about 100 NHL games

2. you lose Vaakanainen who has expansion protection

3. Lauzon & Grzelcyk exposed and logically you lose one

I’m for protecting Lauzon and working out deal with Seattle to keep Grzelcyk

no expansion I’m in with deal but can’t do that deal and potentially lose 2 D plus the draft pick which could be a D for 100 NHL games

If that was the deal, especially if it didn't have to be a first round pick, I think that the B's would need to jump on it. Assuming a 7-3-1 protection, without making any trades the Bruins have to expose 2 of Gryz, Lauzon, and Zboril. Trading Vaak for Ekholm simply means that they have to expose all 3 (Gryz, Lauzon, and Zboril). The likelihood either way is that they are going to lose a good young defenseman to Seattle. However, in this case, they are receiving a legit top 4 defenseman via trade to help offset that. If Vaak wasn't traded then I do not expect him to become a top 4 D over the next year or two. So, I don't really see Seattle being a large factor here.

 

[ON3M4N]

Crazy go all in post before I go to a meeting...

TO BOS: Rakell
TO ANH: DeBrusk

TO BOS: Ekholm
TO NSH: Vaak + 2nd ('21) + Lauko

TO BOS: Palmieri
TO NJD: Bjork + 2nd ('22)

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Ritchie - Krejci - Palmieri
Rakell - Coyle - Smith
Frederic - Kuraly - Wagner

Lauzon - McAvoy
Ekholm - Carlo
Grz/Zboril - Miller/Clifton

 

[sarge88]

Seattle screws up every trade idea out there.

No idea if this makes sense or not to others -- or if it's within the rules: but if I were Sweeney, I'd call Seattle today and offer them any player from a list of 10 that are in the minors right now, plus a future 3rd round pick, if they agree not to take anyone from our roster in the expansion draft.

From the Bruins perspective:

That allows them to know ahead of time who/what they are losing and gives them the flexibility to make any move they want for this cup run.

From Seattle's perspective:

They know they are going to need to acquire players who aren't in the NHL right now, so they get first crack at a prospect as well as an extra #3.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

Trade DeBrusk in a deal for Rakell.

Protect: Marchand, Bergeron, Pastrnak, Coyle, Rakell, Ritchie, (undecided FWD), McAvoy, Carlo, Lauzon, Vladar

Make a deal w/ SEA to take Zboril in exchange for Kase rights

Ok, what's the DeBrusk deal for Rakell whose only consistency the last few years has been his decline in play? We better be getting a second-rounder or protected prospect.

Regular Season Comparison

Scoring	Goals	Per Game	Point Shares	Adjusted
Player	Tm	Pos	From	To	Active	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	S	S%	TOI	G	A	PTS	S	OPS	DPS	PS	G	A	PTS
Jake Debrusk	BOS	LW	2017	2021	4	214	63	60	123	11	51	45	18	0	14	485	13.0	3300	0.29	0.28	0.57	2.27	9.6	4.4	14.0	70	72	142
Rickard Rakell	ANA	RW/C	2012	2021	9	466	130	160	290	-9	100	102	28	0	26	1146	11.3	7833	0.28	0.34	0.62	2.46	23.2	9.1	32.3	145	192	337

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Playoffs Comparison

Scoring	Goals	Per Game
Player	Tm	Pos	From	To	Active	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	S	S%	TOI	G	A	PTS	S
Jake Debrusk	BOS	LW	2017	2020	3	49	14	9	23	0	20	10	4	0	3	108	13.0	759	0.29	0.18	0.47	2.20
Rickard Rakell	ANA	C/RW	2013	2018	5	46	11	8	19	1	2	9	2	0	1	94	11.7	696	0.24	0.17	0.41	2.04

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Rakell has the better career only because he has over twice the games played as Jake.
DeBrusk is the younger player and slightly better overall stats.

Unless Anaheim adds something interesting we don't win a 1v1 trade.

 

[DominicT]

Crazy go all in post before I go to a meeting...

TO BOS: Rakell
TO ANH: DeBrusk

TO BOS: Ekholm
TO NSH: Vaak + 2nd ('21) + Lauko

TO BOS: Palmieri
TO NJD: Bjork + 2nd ('22)

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Ritchie - Krejci - Palmieri
Rakell - Coyle - Smith
Frederic - Kuraly - Wagner

Lauzon - McAvoy
Ekholm - Carlo
Grz/Zboril - Miller/Clifton

You're reading my twitter again I see

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

I'm usually the person scolding about teams not trading their captain, but here's an outside-the-box idea.

Offer to take Gio and Bennett from Calgary for basically nothing. The Bruins will have the cap space. They could plug Giordano beside either Charlie or Carlo. He's perfect in that you can expose him to Seattle and regardless of whether they take him or not, it doesn't really hurt you. Has definitely lost a step, but he's still a smart player and 100% certified veteran leadership, though he might be called the worst captain in the history of mankind and bears the blame for the Tkachuk nonsense depending on which Flames fan you talk to.

Bennett gets an audition and slots wherever he fits. If he works out, he gets the QO. If not, see ya.

The lure is solidifying the backend without giving away the farm. Even with a lost step, Gio's arguably better than Ekholm, if for no other reason than he's not currently injured. They can save their bullets for an impact RW for Krejci and whatever else crops up along the way.

I'm sure I will hate this post once the meds wear off.

Actually, with the supposed locker room rift in Calgary and their growing need for changes, this could be possible.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

You're reading my twitter again I see

Seattle posters are also averaging cap floor at 48.9 M, according to what you've been telling us the base fee is/was 60.2 M, from what they've been told to date at least.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

This is such an accurate and under emphasized statement

Every potential deal has a tail called expansion..,.so the immediate price of obtaining a player isn't necessarily the total cost

factoring in who gets protected or not makes likely makes the offer from selling team less attractive than in a normal year . And this probably means less selling takes place

I expect this TDL to be quiet due to that. But we will see. The NHL this season seems to be top-heavy so those 4-5 teams that are legitimate cup contenders may just load up anyways working out the minefield that is the Expansion Draft as well as they can. It's certain though that this is a harder season to work out ANY trade deals than other seasons. Covid, money, and expansion are an ugly mix for GMs looking to move players.

 

[ON3M4N]

You're reading my twitter again I see

Lol it's a mix of the article + you mentioning that Vaak would be of more interest as he's draft exempt.

 

[DominicT]

Seattle posters are also averaging cap floor at 48.9 M, according to what you've been telling us the base fee is/was 60.2 M, from what they've been told to date at least.

It's $49.8 and there is a difference between the $49.8 is and the cap floor.

They MUST draft 20 players under contract totaling no less than $49.8 million. They still have to reach the cap floor of $60.2 million when the season starts. The difference allows them to draft RFA's and sign UFA's.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

It's $49.8 and there is a difference between the $49.8 is and the cap floor.

They MUST draft 20 players under contract totaling no less than $49.8 million. They still have to reach the cap floor of $60.2 million when the season starts. The difference allows them to draft RFA's and sign UFA's.

I just relayed that info to their board and their expansion thread, Dom... based on what you've been telling us here, and that's what they relayed back to me.

 

[DominicT]

I just relayed that info to their board and their expansion thread, Dom... based on what you've been telling us here, and that's what they relayed back to me.

Your posts are so hard to understand. I've never said their floor was $49.8 million. I have said they have to draft 20 players under contract totaling $49.8 million.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Your posts are so hard to understand. I've never said their floor was $49.8 million. I have said they have to draft 20 players under contract totaling $49.8 million.

that's why their board relayed when I posted it there, and that's the figure that was relayed.... all I relayed was the 60.2.