Post-Game Talk: It's true Jets lose 4-2

[ffh]

I wish people wouldn't compare the two teams. The Blues defenseman roster >> Jets defenseman roster. There is no hope for a similar turnaround for the Jets, unless Chevy somehow rebuilds the defense mid season.... which I don't think is wise or even possible.

If only chevy knew that trouba Myers and chiarot would not be here from July them maybe he could have done something

 

[AKAChip]

If only chevy knew that trouba Myers and chiarot would not be here from July them maybe he could have done something

Chiarot and Myers are not upgrades even on the defence we have now. Especially at the price they would have cost.

 

[ffh]

Chiarot and Myers are not upgrades even on the defence we have now. Especially at the price they would have cost.

Sure their not. Ok. Regardless that's not what said.

 

[FonRiesen]

Thanks 'ixon...

Now not directed at Surixon...

Why burnout Chef and Wheels...?

Why not make lines that are balanced...?

Ask the team to play defense first...

Change the special teams strategies to active...

And make sure every line gets even minutes...

You can't ask the defensive core to change... get better... not possible...

To be fair, the Yotes had a lot of penalties, so that will skew things a bit (even though on some PP's they didn't have much zone time, so it wasn't 'easy' 5v4 time). On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Lowsy Stone Hands got some PP time - I thought we were done with that terrible experiment years ago...

Others have said it - Ehlers needs to be on PP1. Help them with zone entries - it's embarrassing at times...

 

[LowLefty]

There is plenty of talent available to PM, yeah some of it is young, so coach them up. That is his job title after all. What we need is a coach who plays to the strengths of the players he has instead of plugging in guys who are terrible versions of the player he wants. Defending better instead of less is questionable in todays NHL even when you have D-men who defend well, and we don't. PM has an abundance of puck moving talent available to him, so he needs to focus no using that to transition quickly so his team spends less time defending instead of putting in replacement level journeymen and hoping they will defend better.

I agree he needs to coach -
And your points makes sense - but IDK if they can get there before it's too late.
The talent is there but they are not defensively talented - that will be the challenge.

Transitioning will help - but there still needs to be an over all defensive mind set that is lacking.
It all starts in your own end - if you can't get possession and you don't necessarily have the skill set to drive that transition game, you'll struggle with this until you learn and action that type of game.

The vets are there for one reason only IMO - Mo can't get everyone up to speed as quickly as needed so he is falling back on vets to hold down the fort until we can execute. The problem, as you've pointed out, is the skill level with the vet pool - it's not there.

I honestly don't think the answer will be as easy as pointing out what needs to be done (ie; transition, puck movement) - it's going to involve a learning curve in a situation where there is no time for a learning curve. This situation with our D core is not a typical challenge - we lost most of our core and now we're trying to not only replace them, but change the game plan / strategy in a hurry.

 

[AKAChip]

Sure their not. Ok. Regardless that's not what said.

They have just enough cap space right now to have Byfuglien return but not much more. The alternative was not sign one of Connor or Laine.

 

[LowLefty]

I'm not sure if I agree this year. I think it looks that way due to having to do so much of the heavy lifting.

He's better TY but not up to what he was 2 years ago - and he is doing a lot of the lifting because others are not - at least not to the level that will support the problems we have right now.
And we haven't even discussed the others -
Tough road ahead -

 

[ATLbound]

So tonight was the first "official" non sellout ever. I would guess there has been more, but first time
Since the return the posted attendance is below a sellout anyways.

 

[LowLefty]

Chiarot and Myers are not upgrades even on the defence we have now. Especially at the price they would have cost.

Yes they are - although I agree the price would be steep.

 

[LowLefty]

They have just enough cap space right now to have Byfuglien return but not much more. The alternative was not sign one of Connor or Laine.

They felt they could get it done with offense - or - they underestimated how poor the D would be when you remove 3 of the top 4 (Buff wasn't removed but you get the picture).
Either way, they underestimated

 

[AKAChip]

Yes they are - although I agree the price would be steep.

Myers has some value as a very sheltered offensive guy so I suppose he would have a role but Chiarot is legitimately as bad as Bitetto.

 

[LowLefty]

Myers has some value as a very sheltered offensive guy so I suppose he would have a role but Chiarot is legitimately as bad as Bitetto.

That's debatable and also difficult to get into based on the sample size -
But I'd take Chiapet over Potato any day of the week - probably why he's making 3.5M and Potato should be hangin' them up.

 

[blues10]

So tonight was the first "official" non sellout ever. I would guess there has been more, but first time
Since the return the posted attendance is below a sellout anyways.

Not sure if a company left their box empty tonight but one of the smaller boxes around sec 111 was vacant. Good that the days of false sellouts are over. The Jets have over priced the product. Can't even get a $5.00 50/50 any longer.

Cue another save the Jets campaign

 

[AKAChip]

That's debatable and also difficult to get into based on the sample size -
But I'd take Chiapet over Potato any day of the week - probably why he's making 3.5M and Potato should be hangin' them up.

Chiarot is making $3.5 mil because Bergevin is extremely bad at evaluating free agent defencemen. He’s worth nowhere near that. Neither should play in the NHL. At least Bitetto is cheap. It’s by far his best quality. Chiarot doesn’t even have that anymore.

 

[JetsFan815]

Lowry's big hits were the only thing I enjoyed about this game after the first few minutes.

 

[Evil Little]

Not going to bother reading the whole thread, but the little that I did--once again--made it sound like the Jets got run out of the building.

Not what I saw. That was a game either team could have won with a couple of bounces going the other way.

Certainly need to do something about the PK, though. Especially if the coach is going to keep using it as an excuse to keep better, younger players out of the lineup.

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[ffh]

They have just enough cap space right now to have Byfuglien return but not much more. The alternative was not sign one of Connor or Laine.

there were a lot of tough decisions to make in the summer. but chevy being chevy deferred making any of them. the bad news is if he decides to make them now the price would have gone way up from the summer. waiting till summer means that Kulikov will join that list of 3 dmen that left and now his job is even harder. the list might be 5 if buff retires too. chevy will likely just let who ever develop over the next few years and do nothing like he always does anyways. get used to a lot of blowouts over the next few years regardless who the coach is cause chevy wont fix this mess he created.

 

[Teemusalami204]

This is chevys fault not maurice's. I am not a fan of maurice but this defense was not built by him.

Chevy isnt going anywhere he knows this or he would of made some changes. And maurice isnt going anywhere either because he obviously isnt supposed to win this year.

 

[JetsFan815]

Watching the game live, I found it hard to believe that the players are actually following some kind of system or are even trying their best.

have to go to bed, but many missed assignments and flat out missed opportunities to make really obvious plays.

I think they’ve tuned out Maurice because there is no way that this talented bunch should be this bad. At least I hope this is the case, otherwise we simply are not very good.

A roster with below par NHL talent will make any "system" look bad regardless of who is behind the bench. I don't know why the "Jets have too much talent to be this bad" thing continues to persist. Pionk, Dahlstrom and Kulikov were 3 of 4 d-men with the most icetime on the Jets tonight.

That is a guy who Rangers (a lottery team) fans ran out of town.

A guy who was waived by a team that was a bottom-3 defensive team in the league.

And a guy who almost everyone literally wanted to be bought out this summer.

make up 3/4th of our top-4 and there really aren't much better options available right now in the system.

I find it hard to blame the coach or the "system" given those are the options. I am just disappointed that after 6 years of suckage, our window was only open for 2 seasons (really they only looked like a contender for 1.5 seasons, not many here were convinced that they had what it took to make a deep run after watching them play till February).

 

[grieves]

Oh man...

I just remembered the Athletic article which stated that Maurice is good at squeezing results out of solid defense, but he is very poor in squeezing out results out of a good forward group.

I think unfortunately not only is Maurice the wrong coach for this group right now, his style is pretty much the worst possible for this team currently. He is completely non-compatible with the current roster. It's not his fault per se, it just is what it is.

I would change the coach to a more offensive-minded one ASAP.

 

[Board Bard]

Playing Copp there the right way deploy players. There are diminishing returns to staking skilled players together and you want someone who can do the dirty work to get the puck for the skill guys. What good is having 3 offensively gifted players when they never have the puck? Meanwhile what good does it do to have all the players who can get the puck on the same line if none of them can do anything with it afterwards?

That's fine to a point. When the player in question has stone hands too often, you've crossed that point. That's where I am with Copp now. Good player but he's stifling that line as much as helping it. Give Ros a shot.

 

[Jets 31]

This team needs Little and Buff back in a hurry , Copp is a good checking center but not much offensive awareness and Buff is needed just to get our D to a NHL level D , maybe .

 

[Halberdier]

Jets didn't look too bad, but L is L, and defensive game needs to get better.

PP1 was finally working, and I don't mean those goals, but finally they managed to get into the zone and had more easy passes than usual. It's good that Morrissey-Laine is also working, and works better than Buff-Laine ever did (because it didn't work). It's not a rocket science to understand why short passes to your best shooter helps PP to get better instead of only those once-in-a-game seam passes from Wheeler to Laine. Sometimes, like once against Coyotes those passes are also impossible to shoot from because the quality is not there always as seam passes are pretty difficult to make.

Next one, please. And please Maurice, we need Heinola to get better breakout play and to keep the pressure on offensive zone.

 

[raideralex99]

Seriously who makes these schedules up?
Rangers have only played 3 games
Flyers and Blackhawks 4 games
I'm not making excuses for the Jets but the schedule is brutal to start the season so lets cut the players some slack. As for Maurice ... thank God he's a .500 coach can you imagine if the Jets went 1-7 or 2-6 to start the season.

 

[Jets 31]

On a positive note , Connor's goal was unreal . How he roofed that puck from that close to the goalie and broke the cookie jar i'll never know .