Post-Game Talk: It's true Jets lose 4-2

[Joe Hallenback]

I detest getting pushed around in front of net and I find it is happening a lot more this year. A Buff back would help that aspect a lot.

 

[Jets 31]

I detest getting pushed around in front of net and I find it is happening a lot more this year. A Buff back would help that aspect a lot.

Buff back helps in alot of ways , toughness , passing , hockey IQ , PP , PK and mojo . Buff must make the Jets play a little tougher knowing Big Buff is there .

 

[DannyGallivan]

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2019-2020 Winnipeg Jets...

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

I've accepted that this team is not going to be as good as the previous couple years, but Maurice is just taking all of the fun out of it by consistently playing Bitetto, Dahlstrom, Bourque, Letestu. All 4 of these guys are AHL veterans. It's pathetic.

Let the young guys play, if we're going to carry Heinola and Gus on the roster they should be playing almost every night. There is absolutely no reason for Niku not to have started the year with the Jets and to be essentially 9th on the depth chart right now. Add in him never splitting 55-26 up, never trying anything different, and he's just sucking the life out of this season.

 

[1stDan]

It's so weird, you'd think benching Heinola would have been the key to winning

PB'

Maybe we’re doing that lose until Xmas, change our coach, win the Stanley cup thing the Blues did last year

Need a tender change too to make that work
not bench

 

[Jets 31]

PK lost that game for us. It sits currently at 60%, second worst in the NHL.

Ya it definitely needs to get more aggressive and it needs Little and Buff .

 

[Jets 31]

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2019-2020 Winnipeg Jets...

Just like the Jets these just need a little duct tape and they are good to go .

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I wish people wouldn't compare the two teams. The Blues defenseman roster >> Jets defenseman roster. There is no hope for a similar turnaround for the Jets, unless Chevy somehow rebuilds the defense mid season.... which I don't think is wise or even possible.

Blues season changed immediately after firing their coach, didn’t it? You’re correct though, their D was solid to begin with.

 

[Duke749]

Blues season changed immediately after firing their coach, didn’t it? You’re correct though, their D was solid to begin with.

It changed when they suddenly got top 5 goaltending. That was always their biggest weakness and still was until Binnington came up.

 

[Howard Chuck]

I agree he needs to coach -
And your points makes sense - but IDK if they can get there before it's too late.
The talent is there but they are not defensively talented - that will be the challenge.

Transitioning will help - but there still needs to be an over all defensive mind set that is lacking.
It all starts in your own end - if you can't get possession and you don't necessarily have the skill set to drive that transition game, you'll struggle with this until you learn and action that type of game.

The vets are there for one reason only IMO - Mo can't get everyone up to speed as quickly as needed so he is falling back on vets to hold down the fort until we can execute. The problem, as you've pointed out, is the skill level with the vet pool - it's not there.

I honestly don't think the answer will be as easy as pointing out what needs to be done (ie; transition, puck movement) - it's going to involve a learning curve in a situation where there is no time for a learning curve. This situation with our D core is not a typical challenge - we lost most of our core and now we're trying to not only replace them, but change the game plan / strategy in a hurry.

We don't always agree but that post is spot on.

 

[Howard Chuck]

So tonight was the first "official" non sellout ever. I would guess there has been more, but first time
Since the return the posted attendance is below a sellout anyways.

There were many empty seats. Almost entire rows empty.

 

[Howard Chuck]

A roster with below par NHL talent will make any "system" look bad regardless of who is behind the bench. I don't know why the "Jets have too much talent to be this bad" thing continues to persist. Pionk, Dahlstrom and Kulikov were 3 of 4 d-men with the most icetime on the Jets tonight.

That is a guy who Rangers (a lottery team) fans ran out of town.

A guy who was waived by a team that was a bottom-3 defensive team in the league.

And a guy who almost everyone literally wanted to be bought out this summer.

make up 3/4th of our top-4 and there really aren't much better options available right now in the system.

I find it hard to blame the coach or the "system" given those are the options. I am just disappointed that after 6 years of suckage, our window was only open for 2 seasons (really they only looked like a contender for 1.5 seasons, not many here were convinced that they had what it took to make a deep run after watching them play till February).

Oh I agree that our D isn't good at all, but the forwards do not look good either. In the Offensive zone we spend all of our time on the perimeter and very rarely is someone in front of the net. It was very frustrating to watch.

Something else frustrating was, when you're watching in the building, there are so many apparent missed opportunities. For instance PP1 when they finally initially gained the zone and Morrissey has the puck, he doesn't even look at a completely wide open Laine with no one around, but instead passes to Wheeler with two guys on him. It seems that they have this ingrained in them that no matter what, the puck has to go to Wheeler.

Two of the Coyotes goals came with someone RIGHT in front of Helle. We take shots from the point or the perimeter with no one even close to the net.

As far as our D goes, I think we were more successful with Heinola's quickness and vision, than we are now.

It just seems like very basic common sense that we are lacking. I don't know if it's coaching or if our players just aren't as good as we think, or they have tuned out the coach.

 

[Rheged]

A couple thoughts:

Coyotes playing like the Jets did in 17-18, no one was getting in to dangerous areas at 5 on 5.

Dahlstrom-Pionk have been quietly very effective, I know xG is wonky right now but they're ahead there and well ahead in shot share. It would be weird for it to stick when the group is healthy but they've done pretty well so far.

Poolman can't hang against top competition and that's hurting things a lot right now, but if Buff does come back I'm feeling more optimistic that they might be able to make 3 decent pairings. Would they actually do it is another question but I think the potential is there.

Team looks mediocre right now and the numbers / record support that. Would be nice for something to happen to shake things up a little, we're already 1/10 into the season.

 

[Teemusalami204]

A couple thoughts:

Coyotes playing like the Jets did in 17-18, no one was getting in to dangerous areas at 5 on 5.

Dahlstrom-Pionk have been quietly very effective, I know xG is wonky right now but they're ahead there and well ahead in shot share. It would be weird for it to stick when the group is healthy but they've done pretty well so far.

Poolman can't hang against top competition and that's hurting things a lot right now, but if Buff does come back I'm feeling more optimistic that they might be able to make 3 decent pairings. Would they actually do it is another question but I think the potential is there.

Team looks mediocre right now and the numbers / record support that. Would be nice for something to happen to shake things up a little, we're already 1/10 into the season.

The shake up will be little coming back. Then wait for buff. Then see if they turn things around for us before the end of the year

 

[Jets 31]

There were many empty seats. Almost entire rows empty.

This is not a good thing , not one bit . From someone that went through losing the Jets once , we don't want any empty seats . Some might have been missing because they have no power from the storm still and had higher priorities . Not saying you think it's good , just using you as a reference to post from .

 

[Jack722]

Because they also have above average goaltending and elite forward talent.

So yes, they have too much talent to be as bad as people are claiming.

But where they currently are in the standards -- "real" .500 after 8 games under adverse conditions -- is almost exactly how "much talent they have", all in all; almost exactly on the course that the experts, the math models and the sports books nearly unanimously charted out for them before the season started.

We were also .500 in the entire second half of last season as well, with a much better (though somewhat injury plagued) D roster.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Morrissey always shoulders the toughest assignments, but he's often left on his own. It sometimes makes him look bad, but man, where's the support?

 

[ffh]

agreed

Not sure how anyone here can be surprised by what they’re seeing so far........the roller coaster is just starting so people better buckle up.

do you think chevy is surprised. losing myers trouba and chiarot in july then doing nothing to replace them. is he surprised or did he expect this. my guess is he is surprised. I mean if he expected this he would have found a way to improve the defence with some trades from july to October.

 

[DRW204]

Blues season changed immediately after firing their coach, didn’t it? You’re correct though, their D was solid to begin with.

blues were actually quite solid defensively in 2018 (oct 2018-dec 31 2018), ranking top 10 in the league in limiting CA, SA and xGA (per 60) at 5v5. the problem was the team was sporting a 892 SV%. Berube impact helped, but i think ultimately getting quality goaltending through 2019 factored in with their already stout defense made a significant impact.

 

[DannyGallivan]

do you think chevy is surprised. losing myers trouba and chiarot in july then doing nothing to replace them. is he surprised or did he expect this. my guess is he is surprised. I mean if he expected this he would have found a way to improve the defence with some trades from july to October.

I have to chuckle to myself at all the vitriol Myers and Chariot get in these forums, when it's obvious that they're so much better than what took their place. Meanwhile, we knew we got (blanked) by the Trouba trade. Yeah, Pionk is quick, skates well and can move the puck... but he is also useless at defending the front of the net, which opposition teams are now using as a tactic.

 

[Sperss1997]

The D-core is terrible WITH Byfuglien. Without him ..... it would arguably be bad in AHL I think. Mediocre at best.
That is 100% on Chevy. He should have traded one of the star wingers to strengthen the D. Maybe he tried but the return wasnt what he was looking for??

 

[Ducky10]

Two thirds of the D are just out there surviving, that appears to be the bar many have set for having been "good" so far, no different than when we had Chiarot. Certainly not blaming the game on the D, nor saying the Jets got runover, because they didn't, but the disorganization in the Jets game begins at the back end with guys who just can't process the game fast enough. On and off the puck decisions have been poor, slow and predictable, it's just not a group that is going to get the Jets going in transition, which they desperately need to be successful. Forwards are also guilty, slow puck movement, playing too high and often on the wrong side of the puck, unable to execute simple plays. Connor has been an unmitigated disaster in his own end, dreadful. They just look disorganized at the moment and not sure of what they are looking to accomplish, I think it starts at the back.

Having said that, the Yotes play a stifling , disciplined game. Trap through the neutral zone, heavy backpressure, tight gaps. From my perspective the Jets just didn't seem willing to work hard enough to break them down until the 3rd, but it was too late.

 

[scelaton]

do you think chevy is surprised. losing myers trouba and chiarot in july then doing nothing to replace them. is he surprised or did he expect this. my guess is he is surprised. I mean if he expected this he would have found a way to improve the defence with some trades from july to October.

Losing Myers, Trouba and Chiarot freed up $17.5M in current-value cap space, $14M of which was used to sign Laine and Connor. Another $3M was used to sign Pionk, who is a perfectly adequate replacement for Myers. Beaulieu is a more than adequate replacement for Chiarot at <1/3 the cost. Did you have a better cap management plan?

That leaves Trouba, who was always destined to leave and cannot be easily replaced. No surprise there, but keep in mind he is THE ONLY ONE of our first round picks to do so, which makes Chevy's retention record pretty damn good, all things considered.

The only surprise was Buff, but that saga is not over yet.

 

[Hunter368]

do you think chevy is surprised. losing myers trouba and chiarot in july then doing nothing to replace them. is he surprised or did he expect this. my guess is he is surprised. I mean if he expected this he would have found a way to improve the defence with some trades from july to October.

Of course he knew he was losing Trouba, Myers and Chariot at a certain point in time.......that’s how the cap works. Trouba he knew was going to be traded before the draft. Chariot & Myers he likely knew shortly after July 1st that he wasn’t going to be able to sign them......which is good both are overpaid. Buff he may of had some hints during the summer and hoped for the best.......until Buffs answer was known and then he told Buff to rethink about it. All the above issues nothing Chevy could do differently IMO and I would of done exactly the same.

Chevy likely was thinking Pionk would hopefully fill #4 spot on the right side. So he likely was expecting a top 4 of:

Josh, Buff, Pionk and Kulikov, which isn’t terrible......but we all know with the Buff announcement that’s a big curveball thrown at Chevy that wasn’t planned for. Our bottom pairing would of been fine, so that’s a reasonable top six D had Buff reported to camp.

Ville has allowed the Jets time to look at other options and on Buff. Now we’re hearing some positive comments about a potential Buff return......so we shall see.

Not sure what people were expecting.......this is happening as I would expect it so far considering the Buff surprise situation.

 

[Howard Chuck]

This is not a good thing , not one bit . From someone that went through losing the Jets once , we don't want any empty seats . Some might have been missing because they have no power from the storm still and had higher priorities . Not saying you think it's good , just using you as a reference to post from .

I lost the Jets once, and will never wish for them to not be profitable.