Blue Jays Discussion: It's still the off-season (Ray: Cy Young, Berrios: 7yr ext, Semien: to TEX, Gausman: signs 5y/$110m)

[Advanced stats]

Trust the booba

 

[Canada4Gold]

Not having to give up a pick either is nice. Still have 4 picks prior to the 3rd round.

 

[Discoverer]

Can you explain? I love the Jays but don't follow the league as much as I follow the rest of the teams in the NHL as a Leafs fan. I know the Jays inside out but my knowledge on players in the NL isn't massive.

Both major signings - each with question marks but coming off a huge season - but I think the biggest difference is that Ryu signified a major change of direction for the organization (done with the rebuild, time to start winning) while Gausman is more about continuing to put the pieces in place to contend for a championship.

Gausman is really good.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Another nice contract. Now imagine if Ray comes back? Ray, Gausman, Berrios, Manoah and Ryu. That's a championship caliber rotation.

 

[habamillions]

Would signing Gausman take them out re-signing Ray?

Never say never. But theu will likely go cheaper for 1 more starter. They still need help in other places like another infielder and more bullpen help

 

[LeafChief]

Never say never. But theu will likely go cheaper for 1 more starter. They still need help in other places like another infielder and more bullpen help

How much is Rodon expected to get?

 

[Brock Boeser Laser Show]

Curious how the contract is structured. Would make sense to front load it a bit

 

[EpochLink]

More starting pitching, I’m down.
Now re-sign Robbie

 

[MikeK]

Gausman signing almost guarantees Ray is gone.

 

[The Nemesis]

Unless they really want to skimp out elsewhere then probably. But they've likely still got up to 40 million to spend so it's not impossible. Long term it could be a squeeze though. I think they look shorter term now. Which for another good pitcher is probably Rodon or cheaper medium term with Gray.

I think they can still fit Ray in, but this probably gives them more of a "walk away" threshold when dealing with him. Because they can now say "we can only afford to give you $X or it won't make sense given what else we have left to do." And it makes it an easier decision not to panic-buy if another team like the Mets comes in with a stupid high contract for Ray because they've got a solid arm added already and the potential for the compo pick if Ray walks.

So does it make it less likely they bring Ray back? Maybe. But does it make it less likely that they try to sign him? I'm not so sure.

If they still try to get Ray in it would signify that the chances of them remaking any part of the infield would likely be through the trade market.

 

[Cor]

Given the smoke around the trade market with us, I imagine we may acquire another starter.

However I am still a firm believer we should look to bring back Ray if possible.

Also, RIP Nate Pearson lol. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s included in a deal. Though I guess him starting at AAA isn’t the end of the world

 

[Canada4Gold]

How much is Rodon expected to get?

MLBTR predicted 1 x 25. But I could also see it being medium term(4 years?) for the 15-20 million range depending on how teams and him feel about his injury issues.

 

[Emerica]

Would signing Gausman take them out re-signing Ray?

I don't think so. Ryu is coming off the books in two-years, they could structure these deals in a certain way that allows us to re-sign Ray even with the Gausman addition. But either way, even if we don't re-sign Ray, its going to be a very good rotation.

 

[Cor]

Top free agent bats eh.

 

[phillipmike]

GET BACK IN THE SHOWER!

This time I was shovelling snow.

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

Jays are definitely going for it

 

[Amadeus]

Top free agent bats eh.

Drooling

 

[canucksfan]

This management group has made mistakes but they’ve had a plan all along and they’ve followed it. It’s night and day difference to what I have to deal with following the Canucks.

 

[The Nemesis]

I can't see the Jays spending 50+ million a year on 2 pitchers that are most likely going to be getting 5+ years. With Berrios and Ray, you're looking at almost an 85 million dollar rotation

But Ryu is only on the books for this coming season and the next one. By the end of 2022 his deal is eminently movable since he only has a limited NTC (can block a maximum of 8 teams) and they can probably find some team to take his final year for a mild sweetener if they really need to shed dollars.

 

[Cor]

MLBTR had projected Gausman to get 6/138

 

[phillipmike]

 

[Canada4Gold]

Top free agent bats eh.

Definitely could see them spending some serious money on a 3rd baseman, or a Schwarber/Conforto. Most of the top free agent bats are SS though and they seem committed to Bo at SS so unless Seager is willing to move to 3rd it might not be the top of the pile.

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Ramirez
Plesac

To Guardians-
Groshans
Gurriel
Pearson
Biggio

 

[Maestro84]

Another thing that gets overlooked is the Jays have wanted Gausman for at least a couple seasons now so the FO and coaching staff clearly see something in him. Imagine Pete Walker helps Gausman become an even better pitcher than he already is....

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Ray back, solidify it.

And bring in another big bat.

We win it ALL next year