Confirmed with Link: It's Started! (Management firings)

[AuroraBorealis]

Calling JT mediocre defensively is being Dalai Lama level kind.

 

[IcedCapp]

God, I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

Please no...please, please, PLEASE no.

Bylsma will be AGM, with the long term plan is for him to take over in 3 years

 

[cookthebooks]

do we think craig patrick has enough juice to coax scotty bowman out of retirement

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

i'm hearing that, if Dubas isn't the choice, FSG is bringing back Ray Shero to finish off the core

lol love your word choice.

Not only would he be a great "finish him!" pick, he'd be great at destroying the rebuild with whatever Winterhawks defenseman happens to be on a hot streak.

 

[SEALBound]

Coming back with bitterness about being fired.

First order of business: Trade Jake for a #4 dman. Trade Rakell for a backup goalie. Bring up WBS kids to play with Sid. Make statement "Sid and Geno will have to make due with less. Hahaha...hahahahahaha...muahahahahahahaha!!!! WITH LESS!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" Signs Jarry $7mil x 7yrs.

Bylsma will be AGM, with the long term plan is for him to take over in 3 years

This may be one of the most egregious troll posts of the last decade.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Bylsma will be AGM, with the long term plan is for him to take over in 3 years

What's Mike Yeo up to?

 

[Pens x]

I’m not sure the Pens are the best fit for a power hungry personality like Dubas. He’s not going to want to be told he has to keep a coach that is 5 years past his shelf life.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I've come around more and more to the idea of Dubas, not only because of Dubas but also because of the connections he made. From everything I've read, it seems like Dubas was incredibly popular among many in the Leafs between players and executives. Him bringing in some of his executives from Toronto will very likely be a huge benefit for the team. I know Spezza was a very promising up-and-coming NHL executive that quit the Leafs when Dubas was fired, so I think he's an example of a guy that Dubas may poach from the Leafs.

If Dubas is named GM, I bet they sign Bunting this off-season to replace Zucker. Bunting-Malkin-Rust has a really nice look to it IMO.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I don't think that is true.
But I do believe that if Dubas continued in Tor, he wanted to do it while earning f*** you money.

 

[SEALBound]

Not sure what difference it makes, especially to Shanny. You make the decision for your team. That's it. That's your focus. Just like with any employee, you can expect them to seek employment elsewhere but that should have no bearing on whether or not you fire them because they did not meet expectations.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Colby's nose is a work of art.

Post-impressionist art to be exact.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think it came down to Dubas and Shanahan just not liking one another very much and Dubas basically saying "If I'm gonna stick around, I want more control and more money because f*** dealing with this doofus and this batshit crazy media/fanbase" and honestly, I don't blame him. Even if he goes elsewhere or doesn't come back for a year or so, completely independent of the Pens' job. Shanahan seems like a guy who would piss off anybody working with him.

Colby's nose is a work of art.

Post-impressionist art to be exact.

That's pretty much what my nose looks like. Constantly look like I'm trying to smell my right cheek.

 

[Ryder71]

I’m not sure the Pens are the best fit for a power hungry personality like Dubas. He’s not going to want to be told he has to keep a coach that is 5 years past his shelf life.

We'd be lucky to get a guy like that to be honest. That would be probably the best candidate we can realistically get. And our owners have deep deep pockets.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I think it came down to Dubas and Shanahan just not liking one another very much and Dubas basically saying "If I'm gonna stick around, I want more control and more money because f*** dealing with this doofus and this batshit crazy media/fanbase" and honestly, I don't blame him. Even if he goes elsewhere or doesn't come back for a year or so, completely independent of the Pens' job. Shanahan seems like a guy who would piss off anybody working with him.

That's pretty much what my nose looks like. Constantly look like I'm trying to smell my right cheek.

I never played to any great level but man I'm super lucky I didn't get my face mangled.

I mean... uh... any worse than it is naturally.

 

[Gurglesons]

Colby is honestly the best PIT related media guy. FSG should throw him in the booth.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Colby is honestly the best PIT related media guy. FSG should throw him in the booth.

The bar is subterranean in that regard but yeah I generally like him, too.

 

[Pens x]

Colby is honestly the best PIT related media guy. FSG should throw him in the booth.

Agreed. If only he was from Massachusetts.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Friedman seems to think the favorite was Darche before Dubas came into the discussion again.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Toronto seemed hell-bent on signing a big FA. They tried for Stamkos and then Tavares the next year. They really were pinning all their hopes on the cap exploding

 

[Ryder71]

Agreed. If only he was from Massachusetts.

You have issues with everybody about everything. Listen, cronyism is rampant in any subculture. It's not what you know it's who you know. Just ask Sullivan. Nonetheless the point is made,

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I never played to any great level but man I'm super lucky I didn't get my face mangled.

I mean... uh... any worse than it is naturally.

It's funny because all of my worst injuries came during pick up games or just f***ing around with friends.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

It's funny because all of my worst injuries came during pick up games or just f***ing around with friends.

Same, actually. I blew both of my knees and screwed up my left wrist playing either rando pickup or (very casual) league Summer ball hockey FFS. I caught a few stiches playing ice here and there but that's about it.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think Dubas has legitimate criticisms about how he did in Toronto, namely his insistence with acquiring past juniors players and how badly he got bent over in the Matthews and Marner contract negotiations. But I think things like their lack of playoff success or signing Tavares were due to other things, not Dubas.

Any GM of the Leafs was going to be forced to sign Tavares after the whole pajama thing. Dubas was just the GM at the time who had to sign Tavares. With regards to their playoff success, I think that's more about their core being full of a bunch of losers than anything else. Dubas has generally done a very good job at surrounding the team with talent, but it's usually the core who doesn't perform in the playoffs.

 

[ChaosAgent]

But it kinda is the issue. It's all about opportunity cost. That extra $1-3M prevents you from sweetening an offer to a better Dman or goalie that you wanted in FA/trade.

We see this all the time on this board. You get enough of those "well what's an extra $500k-1.5M extra on the expected value?". Uh it literally prevents us from theoretically having a better player down the line. There is only so much pie available.

We also don't know what effect taxation and such has.

I've been on board with the "screw half measures, just fill your lineup with stars, AHLers and a few role guys." From that standpoint getting, say, Tavares vs. Zucker and Jarry? I could see it. If you were committed to this path and to signing Tavares at all costs.

I'm not going to begrudge him for that. Toronto is a tough market.