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HandshakeLine said:
I mean, I am skeptical of anyone who majored in inorganic chemistry (what was O-chem too hard, C-3PO?) but I'd be lying if I wasn't curious about seeing what a completely non-traditional hire could do.
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Is he really non-traditional in 2023? He has a prominent front office role for a Cup contender and he's been in pro hockey for almost a decade. Chicago reportedly interviewed him last summer.

That said, traditional or non-traditional, he fits the mold of what I'd like to see. And by all accounts he does a lot of the heavy lifting already for Carolina.

Give him a pay and title bump, add some additional staff, and get to work.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
Is he really non-traditional in 2023? He has a prominent front office role for a Cup contender and he's been in pro hockey for almost a decade. Chicago reportedly interviewed him last summer.

That said, traditional or non-traditional, he fits the mold of what I'd like to see. And by all accounts he does a lot of the heavy lifting already for Carolina.

Give him a pay and title bump, add some additional staff, and get to work.
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Well, he's not an ex-player or the son of an ex-player, and he came up as a data scientist, so that's pretty much a straight up outsider in the world of the NHL.

I think we could easily do much worse.
 
We've been discussing the GM, but what we really need is a strong front office. Nowadays, it's not just one hockey man running the show. Lets try and hire one or two of these names:
  • Eric Tulsky: He's highly regarded and has a great reputation, but some hockey people may not respect him for being a bit of a "nerdier" guy. I'm not sure if Carolina would be willing to let him go.
  • Sam Ventura: He's very intelligent and has connections to Pittsburgh. I'm not sure if he has what it takes to be a GM or if he's just an analytics guy.
  • Alexandra Mandryck: She's very smart and well-liked, and she would be the first female GM. But would she do well in the role?
  • Jeff Greenberg: He's a unique outsider who currently works for the Chicago Blackhawks but comes from the MLB. He has connections to Mario Lemieux, but I'm not sure if he has enough experience in hockey.
  • Zac Urback: He's a younger guy with a good reputation. Friedman brought up his name on 31 Thoughts, but questioned if he was too young to be a GM.
  • Arik Parnass: Won the cup last year. Another young analytics guy who was mentioned on Friedman's podcast, but like Urback, he may be too young.
  • Tyler Dellow: He's extremely smart, but not well-liked. He's not a good ambassador.
  • Matt Cane: He's a nice and smart guy, but he seems more like an analytics guy than a GM.
  • Cam Lawrence: He's a smart guy, but he's not really a hockey guy. Some articles have been pushing his name, but I'm not sure if he's the right fit for the role because there was a lot of issues when he was involved with Florida.
  • Meghan Chayka: She's controversial and has never worked in the NHL, but she runs an analytics company. It's hard to say if she has the necessary qualifications for the job.
 
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I really like the idea of an outside the box hire for President and a more traditional guy/gal for GM.

To get this team back into a position to at least be a threat in the playoffs, I think they need to be radical, but I think they need to have a guy that knows how to execute the plan within the system.
 
I agree with Mark Madden (I know.....I know....) on this point: they need to choose someone for GM who will be seen as a boss by the whole organization, especially Sullivan and Sid.
 
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So an old retread? I'll pass. That how they ended up with Hextall and Burke.
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What I said doesn't necessarily indicate that. There are a lot of names being thrown around and many of them wouldn't be seen as a boss to Sullivan. I think there is very little chance Sullivan is fired this off-season/season. If that's the case, he needs reigned in, and Sid can't be allowed to dictate or influence who gets signed or re-signed. I'm thinking specifically about Dumoulin in that regard.
 
Friedman brought up Marc Bergevin as a name that “could” be interviewed by FSG. Honestly, it seemed like he was just spitballing and there was no real substance. If you listen to the segment on 32 Thoughts, it 100% sounds like Friedman doing the agent a favor by getting his client’s name out there.

With that said, FSG has talked about involving Mario more. I do fear that they’ll ask for his input because Bergevin sounds like a guy Mario would recommend considering his last two GM hirings.
 
If FSG wants to take the conventional path there are plenty of candidates such as Marc Bergevin along with Stan Bowman and many others. I am crossing my fingers instead that we go outside the box. We do not have much to lose but we have plenty to gain from an outside the box strategy!
 
HandshakeLine said:
I mean, I am skeptical of anyone who majored in inorganic chemistry (what was O-chem too hard, C-3PO?) but I'd be lying if I wasn't curious about seeing what a completely non-traditional hire could do.
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Inorganic chemistry starts getting into quantum physics pretty quick (they called it "physical chemistry", if I recall correctly), so I wouldn't be so quick to call that the easier discipline!

(Obligatory disclaimer: my wife is a ChemE who focused on inorganic chemistry when we were at CMU, and she loved that aspect of it. She's definitely the smarter one in our marriage!)
 
Freeptop said:
Inorganic chemistry starts getting into quantum physics pretty quick (they called it "physical chemistry", if I recall correctly), so I wouldn't be so quick to call that the easier discipline!

(Obligatory disclaimer: my wife is a ChemE who focused on inorganic chemistry when we were at CMU, and she loved that aspect of it. She's definitely the smarter one in our marriage!)
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hahahaha you overachieved there huh??
 
FSGDontScrewUp said:
We've been discussing the GM, but what we really need is a strong front office. Nowadays, it's not just one hockey man running the show. Lets try and hire one or two of these names:
  • Eric Tulsky: He's highly regarded and has a great reputation, but some hockey people may not respect him for being a bit of a "nerdier" guy. I'm not sure if Carolina would be willing to let him go.
  • Sam Ventura: He's very intelligent and has connections to Pittsburgh. I'm not sure if he has what it takes to be a GM or if he's just an analytics guy.
  • Alexandra Mandryck: She's very smart and well-liked, and she would be the first female GM. But would she do well in the role?
  • Jeff Greenberg: He's a unique outsider who currently works for the Chicago Blackhawks but comes from the MLB. He has connections to Mario Lemieux, but I'm not sure if he has enough experience in hockey.
  • Zac Urback: He's a younger guy with a good reputation. Friedman brought up his name on 31 Thoughts, but questioned if he was too young to be a GM.
  • Arik Parnass: Won the cup last year. Another young analytics guy who was mentioned on Friedman's podcast, but like Urback, he may be too young.
  • Tyler Dellow: He's extremely smart, but not well-liked. He's not a good ambassador.
  • Matt Cane: He's a nice and smart guy, but he seems more like an analytics guy than a GM.
  • Cam Lawrence: He's a smart guy, but he's not really a hockey guy. Some articles have been pushing his name, but I'm not sure if he's the right fit for the role because there was a lot of issues when he was involved with Florida.
  • Meghan Chayka: She's controversial and has never worked in the NHL, but she runs an analytics company. It's hard to say if she has the necessary qualifications for the job.
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Some really good names on this list.

Tulsky as the GM, Ventura as an AGM, and Mike Sullivan as a AGM with a new coach could be a winning combination.
 
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Freeptop said:
Inorganic chemistry starts getting into quantum physics pretty quick (they called it "physical chemistry", if I recall correctly), so I wouldn't be so quick to call that the easier discipline!

(Obligatory disclaimer: my wife is a ChemE who focused on inorganic chemistry when we were at CMU, and she loved that aspect of it. She's definitely the smarter one in our marriage!)
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I hated OChem...and IOChem while getting my ChemE degree. Probably why I don't do much ChemE'ing these days. I am that standard "...then why did you do it?" Because I'm not THAT smart. So I got another BS and then a MS. My wife went straight to the MD so she was definitely smarter on numerous levels.
 
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SEALBound said:
Some really good names on this list.

Tulsky as the GM, Ventura as an AGM, and Mike Sullivan as a AGM with a new coach could be a winning combination.
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There are a LOT of worse options than this approach, including some on that outside-the-box list which was posted. We need a real GM, not somebody in way over their head and just playing at being a GM; we already had that with Hextall and don't need another one except "this time with even LESS experience or none at all!".

Tulsky would not be in way over his head.

Sign me up for Tulsky/Ventura and no more Mike Sullivan making game-level decisions -- or, in his case, stubbornly *refusing* to make game-level decisions. OTOH if Tulsky is really as smart as they say, why would he want to come here?
 
Victor Z said:
There are a LOT of worse options than this approach, including some on that outside-the-box list which was posted. We need a real GM, not somebody in way over their head and just playing at being a GM; we already had that with Hextall and don't need another one except "this time with even LESS experience or none at all!".

Tulsky would not be in way over his head.

Sign me up for Tulsky/Ventura and no more Mike Sullivan making game-level decisions -- or, in his case, stubbornly *refusing* to make game-level decisions. OTOH if Tulsky is really as smart as they say, why would he want to come here?
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Because it's your chance to go from AGM to GM.

Same reason people leave craft-level jobs to take a supervisor job. Why people leave supervisor jobs for manager jobs. Why people leave manager jobs for executive-level jobs.

Now that said, I can certainly understand a position of "well I've put in a lot of time in Carolina and we are close to winning a cup with my work so I want to see that through".
 
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Freeptop said:
Inorganic chemistry starts getting into quantum physics pretty quick (they called it "physical chemistry", if I recall correctly), so I wouldn't be so quick to call that the easier discipline!

(Obligatory disclaimer: my wife is a ChemE who focused on inorganic chemistry when we were at CMU, and she loved that aspect of it. She's definitely the smarter one in our marriage!)
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I’m just being a jag. :laugh:
 
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