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Pens x said:
I don’t want to go overboard with a bunch of computer nerds and their stats, making roster decisions. Analytics has a place but there are other factors too.
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I just want FSG to build out a strong analytics department and to have a GM who will listen but isn't necessarily beholden to them as the only thing.

I'm strongly encouraged by FSG talking about how they want to build out a strong management team. They have the resources to do it. We should have a GM who has a ton of data and opinions to draw from but I want said GM to be a strong person who listens but ultimately has their own clear vision and they use the data to support their goals.
 
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Pancakes said:
I just want FSG to build out a strong analytics department and to have a GM who will listen but isn't necessarily beholden to them as the only thing.

I'm strongly encouraged by FSG talking about how they want to build out a strong management team. They have the resources to do it. We should have a GM who has a ton of data and opinions to draw from but I want said GM to be a strong person who listens but ultimately has their own clear vision and they use the data to support their goals.
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I would anticipate a balanced front office based on their structure in Boston and Liverpool.

Boston has Chaim Bloom as president of baseball operations. He has a background in player development and analytics. He spent years with low budget Tampa, where they had to find and maximize value in low cost players. He also pioneered a few aggressive strategies, including defensive shifts (which are now banned).

His No. 2 is Brian O'Halloran, who has a similar background, especially with player development.

Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp is a former player widely recognized for his tactical acumen as well as for identifying players who can play at an elite level but who cost less than the big names on the transfer market.

I think their front office will have a similar emphasis on player development and scouting - amateur and pro - with analytics playing a significant role, but not being the only tool in the toolbox.
 
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BusinessGoose said:
Ex-Flyers, although slow and dangerous behind the wheel of the org, can still serve a purpose. I'll be right back. Don't you go dying on me.

*jump cut*
I got robbed by a sweet old goalie on a motorized cart. And I didn't even see it coming!
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Well done!!!!

Andy99 said:
Anyone who doesn’t think that his voice, as likely the longest tenured Pens employee at the table and one most closely working with the new GM team, won’t be given the most weight is delusional

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Damn. Bro knows his job is safe.

The fact he’s this relaxed assures me he’s learned nothing over the past 5 years.
 
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ncm7772 said:
Well done!!!!



Damn. Bro knows his job is safe.

The fact he’s this relaxed assures me he’s learned nothing over the past 5 years.
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UMMMMMM That is what a HC does every offseason?? you are really, really, REALLY Reaching
 
ZorkEnchanter said:
I'm speaking about smart analytics like looking at like contracts, term, etc.

It's exactly how you avoid Carters contract or Granlund. (Age vs. Money vs. Production decline)
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If you need a computer algorithm to tell you that you shouldn’t trade for Mikael Granlund or give 37 year old Jeff Carter a bulletproof multi-year extension, you should not be running a hockey team.
 
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Gurglesons said:
Honestly, the NHL has yet to hire an analytics GM. Maybe you could argue MacFarland.
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The NHL itself, like the corporate office? Or are you saying "no NHL team has hired an analytics GM"?

Because John Chayka existed. He was 100% an "analytics GM", arguably too far into the analytics GM world.
 
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SEALBound said:
The NHL itself, like the corporate office? Or are you saying "no NHL team has hired an analytics GM"?

Because John Chayka existed. He was 100% an "analytics GM", arguably too far into the analytics GM world.
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Nah. Chayka was not an analytics GM.

Dude was just a scam artist.

jfresh.substack.com

John Chayka's Reverse Moneyball

The Coyotes are are an expensive and mediocre mess - and it's not because of analytics.
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Flying Dego said:
Listen Bubba. I don't know what they'll do under a new coach. But I sure as hell know what they've been doing under the current one.

I don't live in my fears as another famous coach says.
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No you’re just living in foolishness thinking a quick fix is at hand. No one stops to think the players get stale, only the coach. This group is turning into the country club atmosphere it was after ‘93. Carter’s & Jarry’s comments understate this.

Sully might not want to coach differently, but the players clearly don’t want to play differently either. They too want to keep playing this uptempo style even though they are no longer capable of doing so. You think Malkin has ever changed his style of play? How many dumb penalties did he take this year. How often did Letang turn the puck over?

A new coach won’t get you magic. The team needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. Easy to say, tough to do with those foolish contracts Hextall handed out. But we can start by letting every free agent go. Every one of them. I’d also look into trading Guentzel while his value is still high (package one of Granlund, Carter, or Petry into the deal too).

The team is stale. It needs to rebuild. The coach needs to coach differently.

Empoleon8771 said:
It's going to be hilarious if the Penguins sign Dubas as the replacement for Hextall. Dubas is the GM that traded for McCann in the expansion draft in 2021, just so he could prevent Kerfoot from being taken in the expansion draft :laugh:

Who would you rather take, the GM who traded McCann before the expansion draft to instead lose Tanev in the expansion draft or the GM who traded for McCann before the expansion draft to explicitly lose him in the expansion draft?
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Dubas is hamstrung by Shanahan in Toronto. Don’t forget that. He or Darche would be a solid choice here.
 
Gurglesons said:
Nah. Chayka was not an analytics GM.

Dude was just a scam artist.

jfresh.substack.com

John Chayka's Reverse Moneyball

The Coyotes are are an expensive and mediocre mess - and it's not because of analytics.
jfresh.substack.com jfresh.substack.com
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He didn't do well and the Coyotes continued to suck but to say he wasn't an analytics based GM is just patently false.

You can be an accountant and still have bad books. Doesn't mean you're not an accountant or the accounting education, etc.
 
edog37 said:
Dubas is hamstrung by Shanahan in Toronto. Don’t forget that. He or Darche would be a solid choice here.
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I don't see that as a bad thing necessarily. Having Shanny as a sounding board or rather, someone of sound hockey mind that can help guide, is not the worst thing. I've long said there needs to be a healthy balance of viewpoint between stats/adv stats and the eye test/gut check. If you get too far over on to one side of the spectrum, you're going to fail.
 
edog37 said:
Dubas is hamstrung by Shanahan in Toronto. Don’t forget that. He or Darche would be a solid choice here.
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I know it's the fun thing to do on HF is to make fun of Dubas, but honestly he's done a good job in Toronto, both in terms of identifying areas of weakness and addressing them, and identifying "cheap" options to fill out a lineup's depth with limited remaining cap space.

When he first got to Toronto their blueline was their clear area of weakness. He's since added Brodie, Muzzin (hurt now), Giordano, and McCabe. Their defense may not be top 5 in hockey still, but it's been vastly improved from the one he inherited.

He also has been good at finding bargain contracts that actually produce. Bunting is producing like Bryan Rust/Jason Zucker but for around $900k per year. Jarnkrok paced for over 20 goals this year for half the cost we're paying guys to produce that. David Kampf is the kind of defensive gem that Sullivan absolutely loves burying in D-zone minutes and is making $1.5 million.

Plus, the idea Toronto was too "soft" for the playoffs, at least Dubas has tried to rectify. Some misses (adding Foligno for a 1st), but some look to be good additions like O'Reilly and Acciari.

Every GM is going to make mistakes or whiff on some moves. But the difference between Dubas and what we've gotten in Pittsburgh lately is he has a clear vision and he also sees what his team's weaknesses are and actually addresses them rather than just operate around the fringes.
 
cygnus47 said:
We can definitely trade Rust without buying him out. One bad season doesn't take you from valuable to buyout, even if we see flaws developing. We just won't get much back for him. It's probably the ideal time to trade him.

Granlund on the other hand...
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It would be great if someone would take Rust and Granlund off our hands for free, I'm just saying that buying them out isn't that ugly until you get 3-4 years down the road. At that point we probably want to be ensuring we have 3-4 years of very high draft picks anyways, which is what set us up for this current run in the first place.

I would not be including big sweeteners to take those guys, as we need every possible asset to trade for our needs. I think Granlund may be easier to trade just due to contract length, and you could make a case that he was used as a checker here and will do better if given offensive assignments. He's like a 2 year FA that can play a sheltered 2C role for 5m a year.

Though yeah, I don't see it.
 
Why does the GM need to be analytics? There's more than 1 job in the org so it's a weird hill to die on here.

The GM is C-Suite level in hockey... Being a former player or scout has merrit - so would being analytical, unbiased, objective, or using data...but to rank one particular over the other seems strange. I'd pick someone who's comfortable quarterbacking your mission- to win. Rutherford was good there just made some bad calls. You gotta find someone else capable of making things happen - a doer. They don't need to be some introverted data nerd to do that .. though they'd be wise to have one in their staff.
 
Dubas wouldn’t be able to attract nearly as many free agents in Pittsburgh as in Toronto. People actually want to play for Toronto.
 
molon labe said:
Why does the GM need to be analytics? There's more than 1 job in the org so it's a weird hill to die on here.

The GM is C-Suite level in hockey... Being a former player or scout has merrit - so would being analytical, unbiased, objective, or using data...but to rank one particular over the other seems strange. I'd pick someone who's comfortable quarterbacking your mission- to win. Rutherford was good there just made some bad calls. You gotta find someone else capable of making things happen - a doer. They don't need to be some introverted data nerd to do that .. though they'd be wise to have one in their staff.
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You want someone well-versed in analytics because it helps set the tone for the front office. Of course there will be other employees whose sole focus is analytics or player development or contracts, but you want a GM to put their foot down and say, "This is the approach we're going to take to build a hockey team."

My top three are Mathieu Darche, Kyle Dubas and Eric Tlusky. I wouldn't wait on Dubas. I'd figure out what his status is and give him the first round of the playoffs. Do all your other interviews in that period. If he's available after Rd 1, do an interview. If not, move on.
 
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I don't know enough about the GM prospect pool to comment, but if the bar is Sleepy Ron Hextall I don't think we can f*** this up any worse than that.
 
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Breaking News All:

Footage of a bit of the Hextall firing has been found!!!

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