BLONG7
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Was answering your question about a 8M dollar player.............we got one, we have one.....Suzuki
Caufield is about to join that club...............players will come once the Winning starts....
Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?
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Caufield is about to join that club...............players will come once the Winning starts....
Captain97
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Yeah that's what I saying as well. The Jets and NHL both have him at 6'4 so I'm assuming he's actually 6'4
Fact is he wasn't a 8M player at the time, just another unproven prospect with skating deficiencies. He develop quite well but it's not a comparable to Dubois situation... Suzuki didn't have one game under his belt.
And saying players will come once the winning start is all rainbows and unicorn. Hopes and dreams.
Egresch
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I prefer to trade him this summer (price will be right as we know HuGo).
- There is high chance he will improve next year and becomes PPG player. His UFA price would be much higher.
- It is never 100% sure he will to come to MTL as UFA next season. A lot of things can change in 12 months, e.g. Chicago (Anaheim...) drafts Bedard and starts building next dynasty
- There is high chance he will improve next year and becomes PPG player. His UFA price would be much higher.
- It is never 100% sure he will to come to MTL as UFA next season. A lot of things can change in 12 months, e.g. Chicago (Anaheim...) drafts Bedard and starts building next dynasty
le_sean
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This is where he should be and where Suzuki will be. I don't get the argument. What happens if he kills it in the post season? What happens if he is a dud?
Dubois will be playing his 435th game next time out and has yet to hit 65 points. Suzuki will be playing his 291st and is currently outscoring him on a much worse team with much worse linemates and a much worse goaltender. His post season is where he may be able to show more value 80 points is where people are putting his value at already.
I'm not putting his value there. I'm saying we should sign him where is value is currently at. I do think he has 80 point potential. Next year with the Jets would be the worst timing for that. Let's trade for him now and sign him at his current 65 point value.
80 points won't up his value as far as our team is concerned. Possibly if Suzuki sucks balls next season but we have a benchmark.
I believe he is talking about UFA salary demands. However if he wants to be a Hab, it shouldn't matter as I can't see the two sides not finding common ground if it's truly the case.
With this roster, I struggle to understand who stays and who goes. We have a log jam of unproven young players which may be useful to trade in a deal of PLD. At this point I think waiting on the draft day and making a trade on day 2 unless the habs are willing to use the florida pick in a PLD trade.
I'm on the fence about trading for PLD, signing him as a UFA or even bringing him to Montreal at all. I like the idea of having a guy wanting to play here so badly, but I worry that if he goes cold and the media goes after him... Does he break? Does he recover? So many questions.
I see this a bit differently when a guy is UFA. Suzuki is one comparable, but not the only one if he comes here unrestricted.
DeBrincat. Jasper Bratt and PLD make about the same and are all RFAs at the season's end. Laine is long term at 8.7M with a 56games, 26g and 56pts season. I feel like that contract was more about what he has done in the past since his best two season are the first 2. Tkachuk is a tier above and is making 9.5M then up another tier is Matthews at 11.6M. Tage Thompson has a nice friendly contract. Breaking out this year making his contact a bargain at 7.1M
PLD at 80 pts next season would command 8-9M depending on the cap rise and the fact that hes UFA. If the Habs trade and sign him long term this offseason, I believe the Habs have a case for in the region of 7M a season considering thats the going rate for a player who is consistentlly putting up more than 20 goals and about 60 points.
BLONG7
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All of these kids are unproven prospects coming out of their entry level deals.................
Curious on how much you think a 60 pt Dubois is going to demand??
Personally, I value Suzuki ahead of Dubois, and he is younger....
The time of signing a contract plays a big role in the value of said contract. Given Suzuki signed his contract coming out of his ELC deal, means that the Habs bought 4 RFA years (if my memory serves me on 7 RFA years before being a UFA) and 4 UFA years. Dubois has one RFA year left and his UFA years should be in his prime years (prime used to be 27 in my eyes but I doubt that matters anymore with the fitness level of these athletes).
My way of thinking may be the old way of thinking, since younger players are making huge impacts in the NHL compared to 20 years ago when we first started discussing the cap. I do fear PLD will get more money than Suzuki.
BLONG7
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As do I and I think it's hard to believe HuGo would pay Dubois any more than him on this team. Should we sign him it would be because he fits the model Hughes is trying to build. We have 8 million dollar players at best and to contend we'll need more than adding PLD at that level.
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Maybe not his value relative to our team. But the value he could command on the open market. If he sticks it out with the Jets and scores 80, his contract will be greater than if we sign him this off season.
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PLD as a total UFA coming off an 80 points season would ALMOST certainly get a 10M offer.
(That wouldn't be a good contract, though not a super bad one, but he'll get it)
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He'd be the most coveted FA in a long time. He'd be only 25, going on 26, and have size and pedigree that makes GMs drool. He'd easily command and 8.5m cap hit or much higher if the 2024-2025 season cap does explode. Suzuki's benchmark will be forgotten before long. Even if he hits 70 pts (his scoring pace this year) I think this would happen. It also depends on his playoff performance this year and next year.
Lots of variables, yes, but the fixed aspects are all in favour of a big cap hit: he's unusually young for an upcoming FA, he's got high draft pedigree, he's got size and ruggedness that GMs covet.
Yes indeed and it makes 0 sense to wait till deadline. What if he gets hurt? What about the elephant in the room all year? There's no incentive to keep him for playoffs because unless they win the cup, that run couldn't be worth the possible assets they lost.
100% chance he's traded this summer.
But not from us.
LOL we know he's coveted here. Dubois is not a 10 million dollar player and there is nothing to suggest he will become one either. The more I think about it the more doubts I have about giving him a long term deal.
sampollock
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If Kent does not trade for him, he will get big coin at ufa time.
Means habs won't get him
Means habs won't get him
I would tend to agree given the way the NHL market works. This is a baseless exercise as it is not in any way scientific. It only helps prove my point, so I will use it!
As of the writing of this post and not taking into account any actual scoring plays that happened tonight, the NHL has 28 forwards with 80 points or more. The 28th highest cap hit for a forward in the NHL is 8.5M. We all know there is no exact correlation between players who have a lot of points in a season and what their actual cap hit in that season. But what we do know is that players who finish among the top of the league in points and are UFA will command money around those who are paid in that region of salaries.
7 years/70M contract for a player who just finished with 80 points, you sign him for years 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 which I think is a pretty "reasonable" ask for a player that has shown he has the right skill set and finally put up the big numbers just in time for UFA status.
If the Habs trade for him in the off season, I would prefer something like 8 years/64M for years 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32. I think anyone who believes he will get less than Suzuki as a Hab is going to be rather disappointed.
BLONG7
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He has never had an 80 pt season playing with a team like the Jets, so.............................
Can we stop talking about 80 pts and 10M dollars??
Can we stop talking about 80 pts and 10M dollars??
Not as disappointed as those if we don't get him.I would tend to agree given the way the NHL market works. This is a baseless exercise as it is not in any way scientific. It only helps prove my point, so I will use it!
As of the writing of this post and not taking into account any actual scoring plays that happened tonight, the NHL has 28 forwards with 80 points or more. The 28th highest cap hit for a forward in the NHL is 8.5M. We all know there is no exact correlation between players who have a lot of points in a season and what their actual cap hit in that season. But what we do know is that players who finish among the top of the league in points and are UFA will command money around those who are paid in that region of salaries.
7 years/70M contract for a player who just finished with 80 points, you sign him for years 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 which I think is a pretty "reasonable" ask for a player that has shown he has the right skill set and finally put up the big numbers just in time for UFA status.
If the Habs trade for him in the off season, I would prefer something like 8 years/64M for years 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32. I think anyone who believes he will get less than Suzuki as a Hab is going to be rather disappointed.
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