Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[sampollock]

Not as disappointed as those if we don't get him.

that is the fact, if he does not come....wow all these projected lineups will blow up

let's see what Kent does

 

[phillytennis]

I would trade Dvorak, Riley Kidney and a 3rd pick in 2023 for PLD.

 

[Schooner Guy]

What will it take to acquire PLD?

I think it will take a fair amount. I'm thinking it will take the Florida 1st (possibly 17th overall), a forward prospect (Kidney? Roy?), a young D (can't see us trading a RD), a roster player (Dvorak? Anderson?).

I don't buy the notion that we have Winnipeg by the short and curlies like with the Trouba trade. There are many other teams PLD would be willing to go to. Quebec-born players seem to enjoy settling in Boston, Pittsburgh, Tampa, NYR etc. Thankfully we have more trades assets and cap space than these teams.

Also the cost to get PLD two years ago was Laine and Roslovic. His market value won't be cheap at age 25.

I would trade Dvorak, Riley Kidney and a 3rd pick in 2023 for PLD.

The Jets would hang up the phone laughing at us and trade him somewhere else.

 

[phillytennis]

You can't overpay...especially, he becomes an unrestricted free agent in July of 2024.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I would trade Dvorak, Riley Kidney and a 3rd pick in 2023 for PLD.

I would take the #4 in a trio with extra bacon.

 

[nhlfan9191]

What will it take to acquire PLD?

I think it will take a fair amount. I'm thinking it will take the Florida 1st (possibly 17th overall), a forward prospect (Kidney? Roy?), a young D (can't see us trading a RD), a roster player (Dvorak? Anderson?).

I don't buy the notion that we have Winnipeg by the short and curlies like with the Trouba trade. There are many other teams PLD would be willing to go to. Quebec-born players seem to enjoy settling in Boston, Pittsburgh, Tampa, NYR etc. Thankfully we have more trades assets and cap space than these teams.

Also the cost to get PLD two years ago was Laine and Roslovic. His market value won't be cheap at age 25.


The Jets would hang up the phone laughing at us and trade him somewhere else.

He’s literally a UFA at the end of next season. We couldn’t possibly get a player like this for cheaper from a trade standpoint. What you’re offering value wise is what it would take if Dubois was already signed to a good contract and Winnipeg had all the leverage. They don’t. They could end up at the next trade deadline settling for whatever teams are willing to offer for potentially one playoff run. This isn’t like a Josh Anderson where Winnipeg can afford to be picky. The clock is ticking. Those assets you mentioned we have that other teams don’t are there because we’re rebuilding and we need to keep as many as we can. Blowing our load on a 60 point player isn’t the answer.

 

[OnTheRun]

What will it take to acquire PLD?

I think it will take a fair amount. I'm thinking it will take the Florida 1st (possibly 17th overall), a forward prospect (Kidney? Roy?), a young D (can't see us trading a RD), a roster player (Dvorak? Anderson?).

I don't buy the notion that we have Winnipeg by the short and curlies like with the Trouba trade. There are many other teams PLD would be willing to go to. Quebec-born players seem to enjoy settling in Boston, Pittsburgh, Tampa, NYR etc. Thankfully we have more trades assets and cap space than these teams.

Also the cost to get PLD two years ago was Laine and Roslovic. His market value won't be cheap at age 25.


The Jets would hang up the phone laughing at us and trade him somewhere else.

It's not about holding the Jets by the short, it's about the Jets running out of runway.

Technically they don't have to trade PLD, since he never asked to be traded, but the cost for the Jets to do that is to lose him for nothing in one calendar year. Maybe they are fine with that or maybe not...
Anyway if their ask significantly diverge from the "1st rounder+ B-Prospect + roster player" or "2nd + A-Prospect + roster player" formula then they don't really want to move him, because they're asking for too much for a guy they are going to lose.

Habs only need to get involved is there is some real willingness to move PLD from the Jets at the draft, otherwise status quo is maintained and we don't really have to do anything other than wait.

 

[Schooner Guy]

It's not about holding the Jets by the short, it's about the Jets running out of runway.

Technically they don't have to trade PLD, since he never asked to be traded, but the cost for the Jets to do that is to lose him for nothing in one calendar year. Maybe they are fine with that or maybe not...
Anyway if their ask significantly diverge from the "1st rounder+ B-Prospect + roster player" or "2nd + A-Prospect + roster player" formula then they don't really want to move him, because they're asking for too much for a guy they are going to lose.

Habs only need to get involved is there is some real willingness to move PLD from the Jets at the draft, otherwise status quo is maintained and we don't really have to do anything other than wait.

There are other teams in the NHL who will be interested in PLD. I don't buy it for a minute that the Habs are the only team he'll play for (something he has never said).

 

[WeThreeKings]

It's not about holding the Jets by the short, it's about the Jets running out of runway.

Technically they don't have to trade PLD, since he never asked to be traded, but the cost for the Jets to do that is to lose him for nothing in one calendar year. Maybe they are fine with that or maybe not...
Anyway if their ask significantly diverge from the "1st rounder+ B-Prospect + roster player" or "2nd + A-Prospect + roster player" formula then they don't really want to move him, because they're asking for too much for a guy they are going to lose.

Habs only need to get involved is there is some real willingness to move PLD from the Jets at the draft, otherwise status quo is maintained and we don't really have to do anything other than wait.

The Habs are in no position to desperately pay for PLD.. so all of these packages people are proposing that the Jets would want, if they are massively more than the Trouba deal, the Canadiens are not pulling the trigger.

There are other teams in the NHL who will be interested in PLD. I don't buy it for a minute that the Habs are the only team he'll play for (something he has never said).

Then they won't pay the acquisition cost. It's really not rocket science here.

 

[OnTheRun]

There are other teams in the NHL who will be interested in PLD. I don't buy it for a minute that the Habs are the only team he'll play for (something he has never said).

Of course other teams will be interested, but you have no control over what those other teams do. If someone is willing to give the moon to Winterpeg, then so be it.

It's not exactly our problem.

 

[Schooner Guy]

The Habs are in no position to desperately pay for PLD.. so all of these packages people are proposing that the Jets would want, if they are massively more than the Trouba deal, the Canadiens are not pulling the trigger.



Then they won't pay the acquisition cost. It's really not rocket science here.

We'll see. I'm fine going your way. I'm guessing HuGo will receive pressure from MSL, owners and sponsors to take a bigger step forward in 2023-24.

Also PLD as a 25-year old multi-dimensional center with some physical edge will have much higher market value than Trouba and PLD's trade market won't be limited to one team.

I'm fine standing pat and taking a pass and continuing to build organically and I think in a vacuum that's what HuGo would like to do. I have even posted several times that I question PLD's capability to commit to an organization and not want to bail when things go bad. I have my doubts on whether it will play out the way you suggest however. I think there will be significant external and internal pressure on the Habs to acquire him. I can't imagine the shit storm if the Bruins land him.

 

[sampollock]

Chevy Truck is going to want a #1 pick for him, thus the fla pick +

 

[Sorinth]

Chevy Truck is going to want a #1 pick for him, thus the fla pick +

There's plenty of rumors that they want NHL players so that they can do well and get the others to re-sign. That said Hughes showed some creativity in acquiring Dach so it's not crazy to think we use that FLA pick to acquire a relatively good NHLer who we then ship to the Jets as part of a PLD trade.

 

[Rapala]

There's plenty of rumors that they want NHL players so that they can do well and get the others to re-sign. That said Hughes showed some creativity in acquiring Dach so it's not crazy to think we use that FLA pick to acquire a relatively good NHLer who we then ship to the Jets as part of a PLD trade.

He's got more prospects to play poker with this off season. They aren't all going to make it here on the big club.

 

[SlafySZN]

We'll see. I'm fine going your way. I'm guessing HuGo will receive pressure from MSL, owners and sponsors to take a bigger step forward in 2023-24.

Also PLD as a 25-year old multi-dimensional center with some physical edge will have much higher market value than Trouba and PLD's trade market won't be limited to one team.

I'm fine standing pat and taking a pass and continuing to build organically and I think in a vacuum that's what HuGo would like to do. I have even posted several times that I question PLD's capability to commit to an organization and not want to bail when things go bad. I have my doubts on whether it will play out the way you suggest however. I think there will be significant external and internal pressure on the Habs to acquire him. I can't imagine the shit storm if the Bruins land him.

No, MSL knows what he signed for and Molson Also knows it’s gonna take a few years, he’s been ready for the rebuild.

 

[TomKosto]

I would trade Dvorak, Riley Kidney and a 3rd pick in 2023 for PLD.

Who wouldn't?

 

[BPD Habs Fan]

I am surprised at the amount of voters that don't want Dubois at all. For me I voted to get him this summer in a trade because I think that will be the lowest cost against the cap. I think we can sign him for 8 mil and if he goes to UFA it is going to cost an extra 1-1.5 mil.

I don't care about the trade cost because players like him aren't usually available and I think he would be a good fit on the Habs. Prospects can be replenished in future drafts we don't have anyone in the pipeline that is going to give us the production of a Dubois.

That being said I do believe that when he joins the habs his production will go down because we don't have a good powerplay and he gets lots of points on the powerplay.

 

[MXD]

I think there will be significant external and internal pressure on the Habs to acquire him. I can't imagine the shit storm if the Bruins land him.

They already have 73 millions committed to the cap next season, have to re-up Trent Frederic, on top of getting one netminder (probably Swayman, but at more than 1M) and one D-Men. Let's be extremely generous and say the Bruins have 77.5M tied to the cap. It's probably more than this, but let's play along.

They COULD possibly sign Dubois with their capspace, like, ALL of it.

That will give them exactly 9 forwards with exactly zero capspace. They need 14, and still won't have replaced Krejci and Bertuzzi (let's simplify things and say Dubois replaces Bergeron).

I would trade Dvorak, Riley Kidney and a 3rd pick in 2023 for PLD.

We aren't trading for Adam Lowry.

 

[WeThreeKings]

We'll see. I'm fine going your way. I'm guessing HuGo will receive pressure from MSL, owners and sponsors to take a bigger step forward in 2023-24.

Also PLD as a 25-year old multi-dimensional center with some physical edge will have much higher market value than Trouba and PLD's trade market won't be limited to one team.

I'm fine standing pat and taking a pass and continuing to build organically and I think in a vacuum that's what HuGo would like to do. I have even posted several times that I question PLD's capability to commit to an organization and not want to bail when things go bad. I have my doubts on whether it will play out the way you suggest however. I think there will be significant external and internal pressure on the Habs to acquire him. I can't imagine the shit storm if the Bruins land him.

I don't think there's going to be that much pressure - Molson just used the rebuild word. He didn't even say it last year.

They are hunkering down and committed to the process here.

Anyways, everyone is interpreting things differently. My interpretation is that Dubois basically only wants to come here - now the Jets could just trade him as a rental rather than take our offer and they are within their rights to do that. Keep in mind Trouba just wanted to go to New York area, so it wasn't just one team there either.

I have full trust that Hughes will set his price and it will not include a top end prospect. That has been basically echoed by many of the media members close to the Habs - that Hughes is interested in PLD but he's more than comfortable taking his shot on FA.

 

[Mudz]

I would trade Dvorak, Riley Kidney and a 3rd pick in 2023 for PLD.

Something like that seems to be the most logical.

Usually, the TDL is where a team can extract the most value of a pending UFA.

So we are talking of a late first + a good prospect. If Florida goes out early, that pick would be worth around 2x the value of a late first.

DVO was traded for a late first. Plus you have to factor that Winnipeg would need someone to take a spot on their center line.

But ultimately, it depends on where Winnipeg decide to go. Are they going for one last push with that core (they have a bunch of pending UFAs) or are they rebuilding right now?

One last thing. For Friedman to be confident to come out and say it's 95% MTL, it sends a pretty strong signal to the rest of the league. So it tanks PLD value outside of MTL big time

 

[Schooner Guy]

No, MSL knows what he signed for and Molson Also knows it’s gonna take a few years, he’s been ready for the rebuild.

Taking a bigger step forward does not mean the end of a rebuild.

 

[Egresch]

For Friedman to be confident to come out and say it's 95% MTL

It signals that MTL is actively looking to trade for PLD and PLD wants to come here.

 

[Schooner Guy]

They already have 73 millions committed to the cap next season, have to re-up Trent Frederic, on top of getting one netminder (probably Swayman, but at more than 1M) and one D-Men. Let's be extremely generous and say the Bruins have 77.5M tied to the cap. It's probably more than this, but let's play along.

They COULD possibly sign Dubois with their capspace, like, ALL of it.

That will give them exactly 9 forwards with exactly zero capspace. They need 14, and still won't have replaced Krejci and Bertuzzi (let's simplify things and say Dubois replaces Bergeron).

There's no guarantee Krejci will be back in September let alone 24-25 (doubtful he's still in the NHL by then) when PLD's next contract will begin. If they trade for PLD, Bertuzzi isn't re-signing. GMs can be creative when it comes to shedding cap space.

I'm not suggesting PLD will end up with Boston. I'm just stating it is naive of Habs fans to think Montreal is the only place he'd be happy to go to and the only team that would trade a decent haul for him.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I don't think there's going to be that much pressure - Molson just used the rebuild word. He didn't even say it last year.

They are hunkering down and committed to the process here.

Anyways, everyone is interpreting things differently. My interpretation is that Dubois basically only wants to come here - now the Jets could just trade him as a rental rather than take our offer and they are within their rights to do that. Keep in mind Trouba just wanted to go to New York area, so it wasn't just one team there either.

I have full trust that Hughes will set his price and it will not include a top end prospect. That has been basically echoed by many of the media members close to the Habs - that Hughes is interested in PLD but he's more than comfortable taking his shot on FA.

If PLD goes to free agency, the salary will get to an obscene amount especially with the cap rising. Funny things happen when there's a bidding war and close to 10 GM's trying to woo a player. Many players have left comfortable situations or decided not to go where everyone thought they would go once they become UFAs.

 

[WeThreeKings]

If PLD goes to free agency, the salary will get to an obscene amount especially with the cap rising. Funny things happen when there's a bidding war and close to 10 GM's trying to woo a player. Many players have left comfortable situations or decided not to go where everyone thought they would go once they become UFAs.

Cool and we can walk away if the price and term is too much.

The rebuild doesn't hinge at all on acquiring PLD and it's clear Hughes/Gorton feel the same way.