sampollock
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I feel Kent will get PLD at the draft
He will not wait
He will not wait
Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?
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What is the point? Matheson playing for nothing with no pressure using a pro-rated formula is irrelevant.
Why don't we revisit this when we are actually playing for something and then see what Mike can do. His defending hasn't exactly been stellar.
It s not only about stats. Matheson is playing in a team with nothing to lose and the results of the said team have not been better with him in the lineup than without him. I am not saying I have not liked what I saw, just that you are limiting the stakes to number of points scored. And I agree he has not been as bad as advertised defensively.
However, Ask anybody if they d prefer play against Pulock Pelech or McAvoy Lindholm or Matheson, they d all say Matheson.
What does "playing with nothing to lose" mean? A guy playing with no pressure and just out to maximize points would be giving up a ton of goals, for example Drouin. Even Suzuki is a big minus.
The reason Matheson is a plus on a very minus team is that he is miles ahead of anyone else at breaking up the cycle and relaunching the attack. He also has the best gap control on the team. The team record with him in the lineup is affected by the absence of Caufield and Monahan, and often Dach. And yet, when he is on the ice, the team is fine. He has to carry either Barron or Kovacevic as well. The Islander D have each other, Matheson has no NHL calibre partners right now other than Edmundson ... never mind, no NHL calibre partners right now.
By the way, do you think I am unaware that Matheson's reputation is at a lower level than his play this year? The "ask other players" line led to people saying they most feared Carey Price against them, even when his save percentage was at .900 and he was having a poor year.
No question about it, and many observers have noted it, I am not in left field, Mike Matheson is playing LIKE A first-pairing defenceman this year.
Yes, I know very well he will need to repeat this level in a full season to get any Norris votes or at least be thought of as a real clear #1 D.
By the way, even with only 46 games played, Matheson's 34 points places him 45th in the league, clearly within the top 64.
So in ppg, Matheson is 16th among D this year, and of the 15 ahead of him, 8 have worse +/- per game and are known to be less than stellar defenders themselves.
That is right, only SEVEN D in the league have more points per game and a better +/- per game:
Makar
Hughes
Hamilton
Fox
Dunn
Macavoy
Theodore
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Yeah PLD is a better goal scorer for sure, would have thought his skill set would have netted him more points so far, but hasn't.
Danault got dumped on at the end. Now I didn't like the rumour of him wanting to be guaranteed top 6 role, but his play was very good. Excellent defensively yet able to put up 50 plus points. Sure $5.5M.
PLD may be 34 but he has 6 years in. Yes , much better goal scorer than Danault and better skill certainly, but it does not show in the point totals.
I like PLD and think he could be a real nice add. But right now, on their body of work , point wise yeah, more or less Danault. Better chance of upside for PLD, yes.
As an aside, the childish " reductive reasoning " comment was not needed. Cheers.
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Ezpz
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I'd trade for him cause if he hits ufa I've seen this song and dance of Quebecois leveraging the Habs for a better deal too many times. A big top 6 local guy who would have been the first or second most productive guy on our team this year for 8 years.
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Well dubois is 24, Suzuki is 23. Dubois is only 1 year older than Suzuki.
Is Suzuki a proven 60 point center that doesn't deserve 8M?
What would you give up?
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About two late firsts worth of value give or take. I would guess Winnipeg aren't strictly looking for futures.
So we’re all in agreement that the Florida pick and Dvorak should do it?
I think both those asset with one of our lesser D prospects. The more i think about it, the more i think this would be the best opportunity to move Dvo's contract.
I'm a huge fan of Danault, BTW, but I still think you are rounding out the edges for an 8-point difference, in favour of Dubois, with 9 more games played by Danault between the two players, both having career seasons, all to lessen the difference between the two players.
There should easily be 10 point difference in production between Dubois and Danault if Dubois had not been injured (I'm being conservative with 2 more points in 9 games).
If that 10-point difference is nothing, why would it be such a difference if Dubois had 71 points instead of 61 points when evaluating Dubois? It would definitely change the narratve about trading for him or not, you know...
That's what I mean by reductive reasoning. It's not an insult about your reasoning. It just means you are rounding the edges to finish the player's worth relative to the other player.
Sub in Struble or Trudeau for Norlinder, if you,re going that low in value, but I think it would also take a Barron or Harris (although RD is what WIN would want). The D would need to be a blue to play in the NHL, IMO.
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Nobody would complain if that was the price for PLD.
FLO 1st is the biggest piece tp pay
HabsWhiteKnightLOL
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It will be hilarious to read 80+ pages when he signs somewhere else lol.
sampollock
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PLD will come in a trade, only if Kent can extend him.
that is the thing, he has not signed here nor been traded. so no sure thing
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Totally. It’s kind of a sad thread imo, very presumptuous and cringey. People in here would be livid over a similar thread about a Habs player on another team’s board. But whatever, sad threads abound here anyway.
Who’s physically dominating?
Habs4Life
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We have some good bargaining chips and Habs are a small team rigjt now we can afford to trade a player like Sean farrell for Dubois in a package
I think it would be less cringy but we did basically have this with Petry, it's just that there wasn't smoke around one team specifically just the US teams.Totally. It’s kind of a sad thread imo, very presumptuous and cringey. People in here would be livid over a similar thread about a Habs player on another team’s board. But whatever, sad threads abound here anyway.
Who’s physically dominating?
HabsWhiteKnightLOL
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Petry said on media he wanted out so did his wife, Dubois agent said he likes Montreal not that he only wants to play here.
Petry was much more different
More that any trade thread that included petry would be viewed the same, I agree it's a different scenario though when comparing
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