Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Scriptor]

All players suck, apparently, unless they are as good as McDavid. Even Bedard would be a consolation prize we'd need to learn to settle for.

Seriously, it's hyperbole, but you'd swear this was the case reading posts on threads about acquiring Dubois or not, or on Tank Nation threads...

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

If his name was Kent Johnson from Vancouver, BC would you care this much?

He would and I would. I was mad when Habs didn't picked Carter or Getzlaf the year they picked A. Kostytsin. I wanted Kopitar too. I liked what I saw from Monahan this year.

But you, you seem to have a problem with the francophone origins.
I didn't read anything detailed and with facts to make us beleive PLD wouldn't be good for the future and the present. The biggest arguments you bring is to attack the posters, creating an 'agenda". I don't know who with a brain would beleive that. Like if the Habs was already strong at center and PLD would not fit an urgent need. Like if Habs had tons of prospects centers similar to PLD. Like if Habs was a powerful team in the NHL now.

You attack scriptor who brings strong arguments and long detailed posts. You don't quote his arguments one by one. He explain everything and I find he have patience with posters like you. You act exactly like Donald T.

 

[themilosh]

He was too high on the F general quality depth chart, but that's hardly his problem, and he was paid really appropriately until his 2-year, 6M/per deal kicked in (and by then he really was no more than a 3rd C).

In fact, when Plekanec's first UFA deal was signed, his caphit % would be about on par for the generally accepted Dubois caphit, that is, somewhere between 7 and 8M.

which perfectly illustrates how woeful we've been for decades. And yet we have posters in here "not happy" about getting a player like Pleks, but bigger and more offensive. for the same price as Pleks.

 

[Scriptor]

He would and I would. I was mad when Habs didn't picked Carter or Getzlaf the year they picked A. Kostytsin. I wanted Kopitar too. I liked what I saw from Monahan this year.

But you, you seem to have a problem with the francophone origins.
I didn't read anything detailed and with facts to make us beleive PLD wouldn't be good for the future and the present. The biggest arguments you bring is to attack the posters, creating an 'agenda". I don't know who with a brain would beleive that. Like if the Habs was already strong at center and PLD would not fit an urgent need. Like if Habs had tons of prospects centers similar to PLD. Like if Habs was a powerful team in the NHL now.

You attack scriptor who brings strong arguments and long detailed posts. You don't quote his arguments one by one. He explain everything and I find he have patience with posters like you. You act exactly like Donald T.

Valid points, DAWG with a guitar.

Or, even, if PLD was .50 PPG player we desperately trying to bring in and willing to pay 8M for the privilege of doing as such. Then, I'd definitely understand the outrage and the classification as a Language or culture motivated trade.

The stance on Dubois is farcical from posters like this one and I've run out of patience, really.

They basically lie about your posts and call you out as this or that based on stuff you have never said. I think that the attempt is to put you on the defensive and make you waste enough energy defending yourself that you will go away, or that other biased posters will buy their accusations on their less than credible word and pile on top with more similar crap.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Valid points, DAWG with a guitar.

Or, even, if PLD was .50 PPG player we desperately trying to bring in and willing to pay 8M for the privilege of doing as such. Then, I'd definitely understand the outrage and the classification as a Language or culture motivated trade.

The stance on Dubois is farcical from posters like this one and I've run out of patience, really.

They basically lie about your posts and call you out as this or that based on stuff you have never said. I think that the attempt is to put you on the defensive and make you waste enough energy defending yourself that you will go away, or that other biased posters will buy their accusations on their less than credible word and pile on top with more similar crap.

You know what I expect next in the next page? Another poster who write "PLD = Drouin 2.0".
Nothing else, just that.


Lol but there's a good chance it happens.

 

[Shawnathon]

You know what I expect next in the next page? Another poster who write "PLD = Drouin 2.0".
Nothing else, just that.


Lol but there's a good chance it happens.

PLD = Drouin 2.0

 

[BaseballCoach]

Years without a first pairing D? Weber and Petry haven’t been gone that long. Lol and they were both a lot better than Matheson. Matheson isn’t playing on the first pair on any team that has legitimate defenseman.

Name all the teams with two defencemen better than how he is playing this year. Not the past. Tthis year, please.

 

[BaseballCoach]

If his name was Kent Johnson from Vancouver, BC would you care this much?

I would, yes. I am also interested in Meier, and in Keller. The only plus with Dubois is apparently Montreal is on the list of cities he wouldn't mind playing in. That may not be the case for Meier, for instance.

 

[Scriptor]

which perfectly illustrates how woeful we've been for decades. And yet we have posters in here "not happy" about getting a player like Pleks, but bigger and more offensive. for the same price as Pleks.

I would, yes. I am also interested in Meier, and in Keller. The only plus with Dubois is apparently Montreal is on the list of cities he wouldn't mind playing in. That may not be the case for Meier, for instance.

I would, yes. I am also interested in Meier, and in Keller. The only plus with Dubois is apparently Montreal is on the list of cities he wouldn't mind playing in. That may not be the case for Meier, for instance.

That's definitely not negligible when trying to build a team and, especially trying to lock in someone long term at a reasonable Cap hit for the production they bring.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

PLD had a goal waved off.

I hope the Jets make it. They're an interesting team and could do damage in the playoffs and want to see how PLD does for them

 

[ZUKI]

If his name was Kent Johnson from Vancouver, BC would you care this much?

Here we go with that empty useless comment.

Dubois is 24 years old, he got yet a 27 , 28 goals seasons and this year, he put 26 in 70 games until now.
Dubois is also the big guy that goes in front of the net, in the face of the goalies , something Habs don't have for a lot of years. He was a top selection at his draft year. Who could want the player ?
The only thing you bring to this conversation, is that he's a Québécois and that 's why we want him. You should answer your own question here . " If his name was Kent Johnson from Vancouver, BC would you care this much? "

Your previous interventions, makes me think that your answer would be yes, because you clearly showed that it's only the Québec factor that bugs you.

 

[ZUKI]

Kovalev had his warts but he didn’t exactly regress offensively in Montreal. You have to want the spotlight. Guys like Pacioretty, Gomez, Turgeon were loners that just seemed to play hockey because they happened to be good at it.

anything !!! it's so funny

 

[Scriptor]

A 25 goal, 60 point C who will win a bit less than 50% of his draws. Big , has skill and can skate. Can be physical. So more or less Danault numbers minus the faceoff ability.

Wonder how he would be on the wing.

Really?

More or less Danault?

Danault has a career high 53 points this year at 30.

Dubois is still 24 and has a career high 61 points this year.

I'll go with still more room to grow in Dubois' case, but I'll agree it doesn't come close for the F/O advantage for Danault, but Dubois's more of an offensive C ans d abetter goal-scorer (taking away Danault's outlier season from last year in that department).

Reductive reasoning, IMO.

 

[Scriptor]

Was Dach signed to be a winger? No. Do you think Dach will he happy with 3C? No. How many $8m + players can you reasonably have? Draft top three is he needed?

Next year, we can have 3, no problem.

In two years, likely 4 or 5, no problem, factoring in a conservative Cap ceiling hike.

Four up front, one on the back end and some between that and cheap, plus a cheap fourth line and 3rd pairing on D.

Avoid paying the G position too much.

 

[dcyhabs]

All players suck, apparently, unless they are as good as McDavid. Even Bedard would be a consolation prize we'd need to learn to settle for.

Seriously, it's hyperbole, but you'd swear this was the case reading posts on threads about acquiring Dubois or not, or on Tank Nation threads...

McDavid puts up crazy numbers but still succeeds in gettIng outscored by opponents. Not many players score more bug lots of players do more to make their team win.

 

[OnTheRun]

McDavid puts up crazy numbers but still succeeds in gettIng outscored by opponents. Not many players score more bug lots of players do more to make their team win.

He doesn't tho?

McDavid EV goal differential is +21 this year, +52 over the last 2 years, +77 over the last 3, +79 over the last 4 and +82 over the last 5.

The only place he's getting outscored is on the PK, where he's still rock a fantastic -1 (8 SH GF vs 9 PP GA).

 

[nhlfan9191]

Next year, we can have 3, no problem.

In two years, likely 4 or 5, no problem, factoring in a conservative Cap ceiling hike.

Four up front, one on the back end and some between that and cheap, plus a cheap fourth line and 3rd pairing on D.

Avoid paying the G position too much.

The salary cap is going up and so is every players salary when that happens. So many fans on message boards leave that point out when talking about inflation. It evens itself out more or less.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

PLD had a goal waved off.

I hope the Jets make it. They're an interesting team and could do damage in the playoffs and want to see how PLD does for them

He had pretty good playoffs with Columbus and one bad one with the Jets. It would be nice for HuGo to get to see him in the playoffs to aid in deciding what to offer in a trade and/or contract terms. For me if he is a non factor in the playoffs I don't offer more than 7 mil/yr.

 

[ole ole]

If we trade and resign PLD for more than 8 mil a season our management should be fired. Under 8 mil and we'll see what happens.

 

[26Mats]

If we trade and resign PLD for more than 8 mil a season our management should be fired. Under 8 mil and we'll see what happens.

Go on with your reasoning...

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

He had pretty good playoffs with Columbus and one bad one with the Jets. It would be nice for HuGo to get to see him in the playoffs to aid in deciding what to offer in a trade and/or contract terms. For me if he is a non factor in the playoffs I don't offer more than 7 mil/yr.

Pretty much. As long as he can play and be a force and you notice him, but doesn't put up the points, that's good for me as you actually notice him.

If he's almost invisible, but still geta random secondary assists might be betrer to leave it another year.

If we trade and resign PLD for more than 8 mil a season our management should be fired. Under 8 mil and we'll see what happens.

Bergevin in his 10 years acquired 2 players that had more than 1 60 point season.

Michael Ryder, who got 60+ twice and was a rental.

Thomas Vanek who was a rental.

I don't believe he acquired anyone who had put up 60 points in one season that was still useful. He got Briere, Gonchar, Perry, etc who weren't close to their point totals.

If the Habs pay a little over 8 mill for a 6'3 60 point centre I'll be fine.

Bergevin should have been fired long before he was. So passive and useless.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Name all the teams with two defencemen better than how he is playing this year. Not the past. Tthis year, please.

BOS TOR TBL FLA NYR CAR NJD NYI BUF at least in the East
COL MIN EDM (since Ekholm) VGK CGY SEA at least in the West

 

[Rapala]

Pierre Turgeon had 127 points in 104 games as a Canadien.

Is the idea that he cursed the team for trading him away?

I loved our team before he got traded. We couldn't keep the puck out of our own net but man were we fun to watch on offense. I'd much rather work to find answers on the Dside than the opposite. I hated that trade.

 

[FerrisRox]

I loved our team before he got traded. We couldn't keep the puck out of our own net but man were we fun to watch on offense. I'd much rather work to find answers on the Dside than the opposite. I hated that trade.

I was astonished when I heard about the trade.

I was actually in a sporting good store buying a pair of shoes and heard it on the radio and assumed that I didn't hear it right because I thought St. Louis couldn't possibly have got Turgeon with Corson as the main piece coming back.

 

[BaseballCoach]

BOS TOR TBL FLA NYR CAR NJD NYI BUF at least in the East
COL MIN EDM (since Ekholm) VGK CGY SEA at least in the West

Sounds suspicious. Please show the stats prorated to 82 games for all these guys you claim are doing better than Matheson who is pacing 61 points and +12 on a -74 team while facing more often than usual the other team's best forwards.

For example, neither of the two Islanders top D are close to Matheson numbers, but even if you put Dobson on the first pair, no way is Puloch playing at Mike's level THIS YEAR. Mike is the best or at worst 2nd best D on the Islanders.

When the first team I looked at I saw you put a 26 point guy on your list, I stopped doing the rest. Your claim - you back it up, if you please.

I don't think you realize how amaing Matheson is playing.

Everyone says Guhle played well this year, but he is -19 due to the miniutes logged on a bad teaM, AGAINST BETTER THAN AVERAGE OPPOSITION.

Mike is playing MORE minutes against at least as good oppposition, mostly without Caufield and Monahan playing, so the team roster is weak, and he is a PLUS player.

So his defence is not an issue THIS YEAR. His offence is top 14 in the NHL, and with only 1 teammate over 0.67 ppg to pass to or play off of.