Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Almost impossible.

Also I'm totally here for Hughes acquiring two top 6 centers in 2 years after a decade of Bergevin telling us it isn't playstation and good centers aren't available.

It took him 2 weeks to make the Tinordi and Fournier for Scott and Chaput(I think) deal, so he's probably still working on a deal under the assumption he's still the Habs gm

 

[OnTheRun]

I won’t repeat myself over and over again, you already know my opinion but don’t accept it which is fine.

I don’t think it’s the time to had a player like Dubois, not the time to add a long term contract and big money at this point. Not just Dubois. I don’t see why they would do that when their goal is not to compete in the next 2-3-4 years.

End of my comments here.

This one is pretty easy to answer... Teams are built on opportunities. And if anyone actually paid attention to the last 20 years, they should knows we are not the Rangers, we cannot sign whoever we want whenever we want.

I will be flabbergasted if they let the opportunity to land a Tier-A player pass by them.

 

[Habs]

Literally zero of those players had 70+ points in a season before being traded to the Habs.

Lets not let facts get in the way lol.

 

[Rapala]

Almost impossible.

Also I'm totally here for Hughes acquiring two top 6 centers in 2 years after a decade of Bergevin telling us it isn't playstation and good centers aren't available.

The market opened up with the release of PlayStation5.

 

[Sorinth]

You don’t think a team should have their core set and team in place before acquiring players from outside your organisation?

Why didn’t the devils acquired a Meier type player 2-3 years ago if it doesn’t matter?

Why don't we look at teams who actually won the cup to see if they acquired players players from outside the organisation before their core was set? You know like how Tampa, a month after drafting Stamkos but still a year away from drafting Hedman, which was in the middle of their rebuild with the core not yet set they sent a 1st round pick+ for Meszaros. That same offseason they traded picks for vets in Roberts and Prospal.

 

[Rapala]

Why don't we look at teams who actually won the cup to see if they acquired players players from outside the organisation before their core was set? You know like how Tampa, a month after drafting Stamkos but still a year away from drafting Hedman, which was in the middle of their rebuild with the core not yet set they sent a 1st round pick+ for Meszaros. That same offseason they traded picks for vets in Roberts and Prospal.

You are absolutely correct if you have the assets to make moves to facilitate your long term vision you can't hesitate. This will actually be an interesting aspect of the upcoming draft as it should give us some idea as to where HuGo currently see us. Tampa was a strange example they were expected to hit the apex a couple seasons before they did. Aside from the players you mentioned the farm was what helped get them over the top coach and all.

 

[Jaynki]

You don’t think a team should have their core set and team in place before acquiring players from outside your organisation?

Why didn’t the devils acquired a Meier type player 2-3 years ago if it doesn’t matter?

Dougie Hamilton ?

 

[ole ole]

You don't need to give more than 1st and 3rd because that is what his value is worth if you Sign him to a poison pill one year offer sheet. One year offer sheet for 6.3 M and it is either Jets match and can not trade him for the one year and then lose him in free agency.

But remember that 1st we would would be losing is unprotected. It could end up as a top 5- 10 pick with a shot at the 1st. Hell i easily give this yrs 1st + easily over offering a OS.

 

[tazsub3]

But remember that 1st we would would be losing is unprotected. It could end up as a top 5- 10 pick with a shot at the 1st. Hell i easily give this yrs 1st + easily over offering a OS.

Absolutly true , though he can Sign a smaller contract , and have win match , then guarantee he not traded at the deadline , and him hitting free agency .

 

[Jaynki]

But remember that 1st we would would be losing is unprotected. It could end up as a top 5- 10 pick with a shot at the 1st. Hell i easily give this yrs 1st + easily over offering a OS.

You would choose our unknown 2024 1st over our known 2023 6th last overall?

 

[BaseballCoach]

You don’t think a team should have their core set and team in place before acquiring players from outside your organisation?

No. Suzuki was from outside, Dach was from outside, Matheson was from outside, Montembeault was from outside, Barron was from outside, Heineman was from outside, Monahan was from outside, Anderson was from outside, Gurianov was from outside.

I see Dubois as part of setting a core. Not the superstar supreme leader, just a part of it. So were Dach and Matheson last summer. Dubois (1998) is between the ages of Dach (2001) and Matheson (1994). What is the problem? You don't want to pay him like a $10M player when he is not one? Good, neither do I. Nothing wrong with acquiring him and paying him like a 60+ point player.

 

[The Great Weal]

I'm all for getting PLD, but the thing is what happens next? Assuming we don't get the top 3 guys (I don't see us drafting Michkov), we are likely a bottom 8-12 team. Do we try to add a young top 4 RHD and a goalie to try and make the playoffs? Or do we stay in that bottom 8-12 range and pray that we win a top 3 pick in a draft that doesn't seem like a game-changer is available?

 

[Goldthorpe]

I'm all for getting PLD, but the thing is what happens next? Assuming we don't get the top 3 guys (I don't see us drafting Michkov), we are likely a bottom 8-12 team. Do we try to add a young top 4 RHD and a goalie to try and make the playoffs? Or do we stay in that bottom 8-12 range and pray that we win a top 3 pick in a draft that doesn't seem like a game-changer is available?

If the goal is to be competitive in 2-3 years (and I'm going to define this as "having good odds every year of making the playoffs), then we'll need to start somewhere. We need to start to get good and to win games more consistently, and for this we need to get more good players who we know can be part of our core in 2-3 years.

If next year is a disaster again after a few months then i'm all for repeating the tank. But we gotta try not to.

Trying to suck for a specific number of years to suddenly become competitive overnight is not a realistic plan in my universe. Winning is something you learn and work for.

 

[The Great Weal]

If the goal is to be competitive in 2-3 years (and I'm going to define this as "having good odds every year of making the playoffs), then we'll need to start somewhere. We need to start to get good and to win games more consistently, and for this we need to get more good players who we know can be part of our core in 2-3 years.

If next year is a disaster again after a few months then i'm all for repeating the tank. But we gotta try not to.

Trying to suck for a specific number of years to suddenly become competitive overnight is not a realistic plan in my universe. Winning is something you learn and work for.

You have to think they will try to at least be competitive for the playoffs, otherwise, there is no point in keeping Matheson and Anderson. Competing again in 3 years with 28 year old PLD and 27 year old Suzuki is not ideal.

 

[Goldthorpe]

You have to think they will try to at least be competitive for the playoffs, otherwise, there is no point in keeping Matheson and Anderson. Competing again in 3 years with 28 year old PLD and 27 year old Suzuki is not ideal.

I think starting now they'll try to be competitive every year, but if he's smart he will also re-assess every year and strategically continue the tank if he has too. The 2-3 years is a quote from Hughes, but I suspect he's just trying to give himself a long runway.

 

[SlafySZN]

No. Suzuki was from outside, Dach was from outside, Matheson was from outside, Montembeault was from outside, Barron was from outside, Heineman was from outside, Monahan was from outside, Anderson was from outside, Gurianov was from outside.

I see Dubois as part of setting a core. Not the superstar supreme leader, just a part of it. So were Dach and Matheson last summer. Dubois (1998) is between the ages of Dach (2001) and Matheson (1994). What is the problem? You don't want to pay him like a $10M player when he is not one? Good, neither do I. Nothing wrong with acquiring him and paying him like a 60+ point player.

Dach was 21, Barron and Heineman too.

Monahan was acquired for 1 year to get the first round pick from Calgary. Gurianov is not part of the rebuild long term, neither is Matheson. Anderson was acquired by Bergevin.

 

[Zilo44]

You have to think they will try to at least be competitive for the playoffs, otherwise, there is no point in keeping Matheson and Anderson. Competing again in 3 years with 28 year old PLD and 27 year old Suzuki is not ideal.

What? Do you realise McD, Drai and RHN are respectively 26-27-29 and are having career years ?

 

[themilosh]

You have to think they will try to at least be competitive for the playoffs, otherwise, there is no point in keeping Matheson and Anderson. Competing again in 3 years with 28 year old PLD and 27 year old Suzuki is not ideal.

I honestly think they are ready to compete for playoffs next year. theres no way we finish in the bottom 10 (unless injuries again) - so, lets get PLD locked up at the draft (FLAs 1st)

Rebuild is not over but Tank 3.0 is.

 

[Sorinth]

I'm all for getting PLD, but the thing is what happens next? Assuming we don't get the top 3 guys (I don't see us drafting Michkov), we are likely a bottom 8-12 team. Do we try to add a young top 4 RHD and a goalie to try and make the playoffs? Or do we stay in that bottom 8-12 range and pray that we win a top 3 pick in a draft that doesn't seem like a game-changer is available?

I would imagine what happens next is the same whether we get PLD or not which would be to continue focusing on the development of our young core while trying to take another step forward as a team. I'm sure if the opportunity to get a young starting goalie then I'm sure we'd jump provided the cost made sense but so would a bunch of other teams. All indications are Hughes is patient so whether we get that next core piece or not depends on the opportunity and the cost more so then any plan from our end.

We could be a playoff team if the young guys take another step, but we could also easily be in that 8-12 range or worse if the young guys have growing pains and/or we have major injury problems again.

 

[nhlfan9191]

You have to think they will try to at least be competitive for the playoffs, otherwise, there is no point in keeping Matheson and Anderson. Competing again in 3 years with 28 year old PLD and 27 year old Suzuki is not ideal.

They’re waiting on Anderson for the right deal. I imagine the offers they’re getting are teams calling bluff and thinking we’ll sink because of the ridiculous cap hit Bergevin put on him. Mathewson was brought in on as a stopgap. I doubt what’s being offered is worth it to move him. There’s nothing they can do from goal prevention to make them compete next year.

 

[Shawnathon]

If you think Dubois alone takes us from where we are to bubble team, that would pretty much make him a franchise player/superstar. I didn't realize that guys like Dubois were UFAs every year or often available. Let alone that we're not alone in the league. You compete with other teams to acquire them. In this situation, we have one who seems in love with the idea of playing here. And we're going to say no? Why? For Da tAnK? At this point, some of you guys sound like Therrien and Bergevin with grind deez guys and da foxhole.



You made the claim. Why would I do the work for you? I did read the thread and can tell you're wrong and dishonest. I'd say be a man and own up to it, but that would require honesty, so I'm not holding my breath.

I never made the claim. You and Scriptor are the same person. You exposed that in this post.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

6'2 200lbs centers that can produce 60+ pts and are young (~25) are definitely not easy to find and acquire.

In fact, those who fit that category (6'2 200lbs or bigger, proven 60+ pts producer, plays center, and 26 or under) are only a few in the NHL:
Matthews, Thompson, Eichel, Cozens, and Hintz

 

[Scriptor]

I never made the claim. You and Scriptor are the same person. You exposed that in this post.

You're delusional.

 

[Shawnathon]

You're delusional.

You’re a clown. Judging from your posts, I’m not even sure you watch this player. But he’s French Canadian so you have to go out on your shield for him. It’s clear as day to anybody reading this thread what you’re agenda is.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Dach was 21, Barron and Heineman too.

Monahan was acquired for 1 year to get the first round pick from Calgary. Gurianov is not part of the rebuild long term, neither is Matheson. Anderson was acquired by Bergevin.

Matheson is not part of the rebuild? LOL. We have a first-pair D after years without one and you don't want him to stick around because he just turned 29. When the Bruins lost to the Hawks in the 2015 finals, Chara was 38 and when they won their Cup in 2011, he was 34.

Hedman is 32 and still a key part of a contending Lightning team.

Boston had to recently pay assets to get 31 year old Orlov becuase they were missing a good vet like him.

Vegas is the 2nd best team in the league with Alec Martinez at 35 and Pietrangelo 33.

Carolina is 3rd best, with Brent Burns at 38 and de Haan at 31.

Colorado is 4th best, with four defencemen 30-35 years old.

New Jersey is 5th best, and has Hamilton who is one year older than Matheson and Brendan Smith at 34.

If Anderson does not count as coming from the outside, then since Suzuki was also acquired by Bergevin, is he not part of the rebuild either?