Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[nhlfan9191]

I know this and we are all a part of the pressure that a player have to live. You as a person and poster on this board is a part of the people putting too much pressure on a player. I know francos themselves put a lot of pressure on francos players, more than any other ethnic. I'm surprised a franco like PLD wants to play here, knowing the pressure he will be facing. But he showed he can be a legit nhler making 60 pts. He have the size, the speed and the skills so why not. To me he's just a 6'4" nhl player playing center and wing at the right age and the right salary and he is what Habs need to built a better team.

In worst case if that doesn't work out, he will be a good tradable player. But he will be a good fit here.

I don’t think me posting on a message board in Western Canada is feeding into the pressure that cripples local talent. Lol it’s the pressure that comes within the city. Everyone knows who these guys are. I imagine when things aren’t going well, just walking around the city isn’t a fun experience. And then there’s the media that doesn’t need an explanation. They’re vicious.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

But why would you say we don't need that type of player?

This Whole Power Forward thing got blown out proportion. The gentleman pointed out he didn't think PLD was your prototypical "Power Forward."
and anyone thinking he was who aren't familiar with his game may be disappointed. I agreed and went on to decribed him as a forward with power. To say that we don't need that type of player is wrong and to say that we are snubbing PLD is also wrong. He will fill a void and that is what team building is all about.

The player we have who correspond the most to that kind of power forward is Anderson. And a bit Pezzeta. And many here wants Anderson gone in a trade. I want we keep him, despite his flaws and unconsistancy. Who else we have playing forward with size, grit, speed and able to play top 6?

For sure if we can land a true power-forward like this gentleman described I'll be happy. It doesn't mean PLD have no utility. Sakic, Lecavalier, Richards, Koivu, Kopitar, Yserman were not power-forwards by this definition but still they were helpful to their teams. I just realise I just mentioned players who were putting much more pts a year than PLD but you get my point I guess.

I don’t think me posting on a message board in Western Canada is feeding into the pressure that cripples local talent. Lol it’s the pressure that comes within the city. Everyone knows who these guys are. I imagine when things aren’t going well, just walking around the city isn’t a fun experience. And then there’s the media that doesn’t need an explanation. They’re vicious.

I know all that. Vicious is the right word. Medias here live by these little stories and dramas.
If PLD is strong enough between his two ears, he will survive.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Anti Quebecois? You are being overly sensitive.

Overly sensitive or not, your post wasn't the most accurate analyse or the most clever post of this thread. It was pure crap. Would you post the same type of post if it was anti-black or anti-arab?

edit : if I was such over sensitive I would insult you and poeple here would feel that angryness in my response. I responded to you correctly using proper words and imagery example. I'm not a mad person vomiting on his keyboard, lol, I stay cool.

Cheers! Have a beer, you deserve it!

 

[Rapala]

I don’t think me posting on a message board in Western Canada is feeding into the pressure that cripples local talent. Lol it’s the pressure that comes within the city. Everyone knows who these guys are. I imagine when things aren’t going well, just walking around the city isn’t a fun experience. And then there’s the media that doesn’t need an explanation. They’re vicious.

Anyone who lives here and has been a Habs fan for any length of time knows that it takes a very special type of Franco Quebecois to live and play in this fishbowl. Look at great players like Stephane Richer who eventually had to get out from under. I'm trying to think of the last star player to handle it well. Damphousse maybe?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I don’t think me posting on a message board in Western Canada is feeding into the pressure that cripples local talent. Lol it’s the pressure that comes within the city. Everyone knows who these guys are. I imagine when things aren’t going well, just walking around the city isn’t a fun experience. And then there’s the media that doesn’t need an explanation. They’re vicious.

Within the *city* is a stretch....most people in the city don't care...Quebecois, Asian , jamaican , doesn't matter....outside of the city of Montreal and within the province of Quebec is another story tho

 

[Gravity]

I think your underestimating Suzuki and caufield tbh

I really don't think I am.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Anyone who lives here and has been a Habs fan for any length of time knows that it takes a very special type of Franco Quebecois to live and play in this fishbowl. Look at great players like Stephane Richer who eventually had to get out from under. I'm trying to think of the last star player to handle it well. Damphousse maybe?

But it was possible. Savard, Montembault and RHP don't have any problems about that. Yeah they are not stars and not paid big bucks. But if medias and fans chill a little bit PLD could feel confortable to play here.

 

[Rapala]

But it was possible. Savard, Montembault and RHP don't have any problems about that. Yeah they are not stars and not paid big bucks. But if medias and fans chill a little bit PLD could feel confortable to play here.

In what parallel world will this happen in. When HuGo makes a decision on a player his metal makeup has to be looked at because of the bolded. We are both the best and the worst fans in hockey. That worst side is forever trying to rear it's ugly head. They must think he's okay because they have had "Serious Discussions" But a contract that ties a player to us with no out can end up looking like Gallagher Armia Drouin and even Price for that matter. That has to be a factor in any future term discussions with Brisson. If they want a movement clause of some sort maybe we only have it kick in in year four to protect ourselves?

 

[Scriptor]

I agree with what you said in the reply to my post. But the insult was uncalled for because I can read and what I quoted is what you said.

Thanks for the quote. I didn't recall writing it that way. The general context, though, is that Bergevin chased two rabbits at the same time, continually, throughout his tenure in Montreal.

 

[FerrisRox]

For sure if we can land a true power-forward like this gentleman described I'll be happy. It doesn't mean PLD have no utility.

Who are you arguing with here? Who do you think has suggested that Dubois has "no utility?"

You are literally the only person who has said this, and you are saying it as if you have been refuting that claim made by other people.

You are having an argument with an imaginary opponent and the strange thing is, you aren't doing very well.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I really don't think I am.

You’re correct

Caufield is a legit 1st line winger, the other two are 2nd liners on a Cup team

 

[Scriptor]

In what parallel world will this happen in. When HuGo makes a decision on a player his metal makeup has to be looked at because of the bolded. We are both the best and the worst fans in hockey. That worst side is forever trying to rear it's ugly head. They must think he's okay because they have had "Serious Discussions" But a contract that ties a player to us with no out can end up looking like Gallagher Armia Drouin and even Price for that matter. That has to be a factor in any future term discussions with Brisson. If they want a movement clause of some sort maybe we only have it kick in in year four to protect ourselves?

They could have Price come out regularly to address the public and tell them to chill out. At least until he stops getting paid on his current contract (another three years).

 

[sampollock]

So after last night....is PLD the one that Kent should go after.
Not saying that last night is really soild gage at all, just that so many of you watched him
I did not get a chance to watch the game

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Who are you arguing with here? Who do you think has suggested that Dubois has "no utility?"

You are literally the only person who has said this, and you are saying as if you have been refuting that claim made by other people.

You are having an argument with an imaginary opponent and the strange thing is, you aren't doing very well.

Why you came with that "he's not a power forward" and "people will complain he's not what we are expecting"? It's you, not me. Why you bring that to the table and by the side trying to convice it's not good to have him. That's contradiction.

Players who doesn't fit in your description of a power forward can be usefull, there are many examples and many Stanley Cups were won with those players who were almost power forwards according from your criteria. The imaginary opponent is you.

If you want to bring a point where it's not good to have PLD, find another argument than "the not a power forward".

 

[Rapala]

So after last night....is PLD the one that Kent should go after.
Not saying that last night is really soild gage at all, just that so many of you watched him
I did not get a chance to watch the game

I don't think it was a stellar performance by any stretch of the imagination. He used his size to his advantage but I thought his puck handling seemed to let him down at crucial times. He had some chances but couldn't bury them. Actually reminding me of some of our current players. Bottom line is his team lost to a team who had played the previous evening. Despite getting a secondary assit on a PP goal neither he nor his line were the difference makers.

 

[sampollock]

I don't think it was a stellar performance by any stretch of the imagination. He used his size to his advantage but I thought his puck handling seemed to let him down at crucial times. He had some chances but couldn't bury them. Actually reminding me of some of our current players. Bottom line is his team lost to a team who had played the previous evening. Despite getting a secondary assit on a PP goal neither he nor his line were the difference makers.

fair update, thanks

 

[FerrisRox]

Why you came with that "he's not a power forward" and "people will complain he's not what we are expecting"? It's you, not me. Why you bring that to the table and by the side trying to convice it's not good to have him. That's contradiction.

Are you okay?

Are you having a hard time following this?

Not only did I never say that it wasn't good to have Dubois I explicitly said the opposite. I said I thought he would be an outstanding addition to the team.

Why you keep manufacturing arguments opposed to you and then randomly assigning them to people? I never once said he wouldn't be a good addition and I never once tried to "convince" anyone that he wouldn't be a good addition.

I said I was opposed to trading away a first round draft pick or prospects to acquire him one year before he would be an Unrestricted Free Agent. I think I have been pretty clear on this.

Additionally, I said that people that are repeatedly discussing Dubois as "a power forward" are painting an inaccurate portrayal of how he actually plays the game and that those in this group that haven't seen much of him might be surprised if he were to arrive in Montreal if they were expecting a "power forward."

This, for reasons I can't begin to understand, seems to really upset you. I have no clue why, but you need to stop making up arguments and pretending that I said them.

It's utter nonsense, and you've done it multiple times now int the thread. I'm happy to have a discussion with you, that's what this place is all about, but stop manufacturing bullshit comments and pretending I said it. Enough is enough.

Players who doesn't fit in your description of a power forward can be usefull, there are many examples and many Stanley Cups were won with those players who were almost power forwards according from your criteria. The imaginary opponent is you.

Again, what the hell are you talking about? Who on earth has ever said that players that aren't traditional power forwards aren't useful?

Where are you getting this from? What is the point of making up arguments? Surely you understand that this is a thread of written opinions and everyone can plainly see that nobody has said the things you are seemingly arguing against?

If you want to bring a point where it's not good to have PLD, find another argument than "the not a power forward".

What is the deal with you? At no point have I ever once said it's not good for Montreal to acquire Pierre Luc Dubois. In fact I explicitly said the exact opposite.

At no point, ever, did I say the Canadiens shouldn't target him because he is "not a power forward."

This is total nonsense and it's completely and totally fabricated by you. STOP IT.

 

[Colezuki]

You’re correct

Caufield is a legit 1st line winger, the other two are 2nd liners on a Cup team

Which is fine, but 2nd liners on a cup team are still PPG

Example, last year Tampa only had 4 players even close to PPG -> Point, Hedman, Kucherov, Stamkos

Another Example, Last year Colorado only had 4 players close to or above a PPG at forward
-> Mackinnon, rantanen, kadri, landeskog

You don't need 6 60+pt forwards to win the cup

 

[ReHabs]

Forget the term Power Forward

How about Powerful Forward?

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Are you okay?

Are you having a hard time following this?

Not only did I never say that it wasn't good to have Dubois I explicitly said the opposite. I said I thought he would be an outstanding addition to the team.

Why you keep manufacturing arguments opposed to you and then randomly assigning them to people? I never once said he wouldn't be a good addition and I never once tried to "convince" anyone that he wouldn't be a good addition.

I said I was opposed to trading away a first round draft pick or prospects to acquire him one year before he would be an Unrestricted Free Agent. I think I have been pretty clear on this.

Additionally, I said that people that are repeatedly discussing Dubois as "a power forward" are painting an inaccurate portrayal of how he actually plays the game and that those in this group that haven't seen much of him might be surprised if he were to arrive in Montreal if they were expecting a "power forward."

This, for reasons I can't begin to understand, seems to really upset you. I have no clue why, but you need to stop making up arguments and pretending that I said them.

It's utter nonsense, and you've done it multiple times now int the thread. I'm happy to have a discussion with you, that's what this place is all about, but stop manufacturing bullshit comments and pretending I said it. Enough is enough.



Again, what the hell are you talking about? Who on earth has ever said that players that aren't traditional power forwards aren't useful?

Where are you getting this from? What is the point of making up arguments? Surely you understand that this is a thread of written opinions and everyone can plainly see that nobody has said the things you are seemingly arguing against?



What is the deal with you? At no point have I ever once said it's not good for Montreal to acquire Pierre Luc Dubois. In fact I explicitly said the exact opposite.

At no point, ever, did I say the Canadiens shouldn't target him because he is "not a power forward."

This is total nonsense and it's completely and totally fabricated by you. STOP IT.

Ok, chill, relax man. Are you really upset?
So I count you as one of those who wants PLD in our team but not expecting he would be a kind of saviour and being a game changer. Just a good piece in the puzzle.

You are welcome if after that you have some doubts about him for no specific reasons. Like most of us, we keep an eye on anyone coming to our team and we have our expectations according to the price paid to acquire a player, his line rank, his salary, his physical condition and age.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Forget the term Power Forward

How about Powerful Forward?

Or how about Fluffy Powerful Forward?

Lol, okay I'm leaving now, shame on me !

 

[CHwest]

Overly sensitive or not, your post wasn't the most accurate analyse or the most clever post of this thread. It was pure crap. Would you post the same type of post if it was anti-black or anti-arab?

edit : if I was such over sensitive I would insult you and poeple here would feel that angryness in my response. I responded to you correctly using proper words and imagery example. I'm not a mad person vomiting on his keyboard, lol, I stay cool.

Cheers! Have a beer, you deserve it!

Overly sensitive or not, your post wasn't the most accurate analyse or the most clever post of this thread. It was pure crap. Would you post the same type of post if it was anti-black or anti-arab?

edit : if I was such over sensitive I would insult you and poeple here would feel that angryness in my response. I responded to you correctly using proper words and imagery example. I'm not a mad person vomiting on his keyboard, lol, I stay cool.

Cheers! Have a beer, you deserve it!

You are more passive aggressive than anything else.

 

[Habitant#1]

Which is fine, but 2nd liners on a cup team are still PPG

Example, last year Tampa only had 4 players even close to PPG -> Point, Hedman, Kucherov, Stamkos

Another Example, Last year Colorado only had 4 players close to or above a PPG at forward
-> Mackinnon, rantanen, kadri, landeskog

You don't need 6 60+pt forwards to win the cup

You might need 6 if none of your guys are 100+ point players

 

[CaptainKirk]

Hey Jets, did you see Armia’s hat trick? So hot right now. He’d look great next to Scheifele. BTW, any unhappy forwards you wanna swap for him this Summer? We’ll even throw in a Dvorak.

 

[Engelwood]

Gordie Howe, Keith Tkachuk, Tim Kerr, Cam Neely, Eric Lindros, Clark Gilles, Kevin Stevens, Rick Tocchet, Chris Kreider, Matt Tkachuk, Mark Messier, John LeClair, Scott Hartnell, Alex Ovechkin, Brady Tkachuk, Brendan Shanahan, Terry O'Reilly and Johan Franzen off the top of my head. Early Wendel Clark would qualify as well.

Jeremy Roenick, Peter Forsberg and Jagr as well. Those 3 should define power forwards.