Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I pity the team wasting 8 years on Scheifele , dude is so bad

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Dach is a b

I'll take Dach over PLD.

I want both. We never have enough centers with size and skills.

 

[Scriptor]

I'll watch but this is a clip from last year.

I don't think that Dubois fell off a cliff from last year.

 

[Scriptor]

Tatar was the roster ready player cap dump or no.

Well, it's quite different from your portrayal of including Tatar as the drool-inducing player Bergevin was really after and not Suzuki, Glass, or, basically, a C prospect with upside.

 

[Scriptor]

I don't care if they praised Satan himself in that locker room.

That's not acceptable to give up on your team like that in that fashion, for your own pride, for paying fans, etc.

I would be very leery of this player.

Just my opinion.

I'd love people to have been in Dubois' situation before making snide comments on his dealing with that situation.

I'd be very leery of opinions from onlookers who have no idea how toxic the environment was.

I'd personally have given up on my team if it was a Satanic Cult. I don't know about you?

 

[Habitant#1]

Dvorak + 2nd + one of our midget prospects (not top 10 prospect).

Final offer.
Jets can take it or leave it.


I'll take my chances once he's a UFA.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I'd love people to have been in Dubois' situation before making snide comments on his dealing with that situation.

I'd be very leery of opinions from onlookers who have no idea how toxic the environment was.

I'd personally have given up on my team if it was a Satanic Cult. I don't know about you?

The poster doesn't really mean he would have stayed in a team if they praised Satan himself in that locker room. It's just a way of writing something without really thinking of what he wrote. A lot of people write contradictions. It's like saying no soldiers would quit their army when this army does atrocious things. Objection of conscience always existed and will always exist.

 

[CHwest]

I want both. We never have enough centers with size and skills.

Eventually you have to pay for them.

 

[Scriptor]

You still don't get it. No matter where MB ended making the Patch deal he needed that roster ready player because he was in a go for it now posture not a rebuilding one. Suzuki was a prospect at that point hadn't even had his breakout year yet. The package was never meant to be part of a rebuild. Fast forward to when Suzuki joined the team he ended up displacing a couple of players in his climb up the ladder was he looked at as part of a rebuild? When he went on his run in the post season was he looked at as part of a rebuild. Of course he wasn't he was looked at as a main cog in Bergevins win now approach. The fact that the team went into the shitter the following year can in no way change that history. Look at the package and not the individual pieces and try to convince me Suzuki was a rebuilding block because that was not even close to what he was.

You are circling around to try and get a mulligan on your initial post. You were way off in that one and there is little to recover from.

Suzuki was a rebuild move, in the Bergevin, straddle-the-fence going both ways (retool/rebuild and compete now), instead of going all-in either way.

Suzuki was returned to Juniors, initially (right move), where he gained confidence and, once in. Montreal, was played up the depth chart, initially on a 4th line, then a third, then a 2nd line.

Rebuilding with Suzuki was the plan all along. That he turned out so good so fast is a bonus.

 

[Guy Larose]

Dvorak + 2nd + one of our midget prospects (not top 10 prospect).

Final offer.
Jets can take it or leave it.


I'll take my chances once he's a UFA.

There's that weird thing again with people talking like they're the GM and have a say...

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Eventually you have to pay for them.

I'm ok with that. That means no more turds signed at 3,5 like Armia. Except for Caufield, our young players will not be paid big money. That means Hughes will have to get rid of Dvorak, Edmunston, Hoffman and maybe Armia. Not all of them, that's impossible.

 

[Scriptor]

So many parallels with the Drouin situation here it spooks me. French Canadian head case that the fans just absolutely have to have because, well because he is French. Not a good situation at all.

This is BS. I personally want Dubois because he is a top-6 C with remaining upside who is just 24 and can be part of the Habs' young core for the long haul. I want him because that profile of a player is rare.

The whole French thing is your own fabrication, and that of others who may not want the player?

It is not a situation where fans are wanting a crap player because he is a local player like you are making it out to be.

 

[crosbyshow]

So many parallels with the Drouin situation here it spooks me. French Canadian head case that the fans just absolutely have to have because, well because he is French. Not a good situation at all.

Discusting anti French comment.

You compare Dubois and Drouin....wowwww

 

[Scriptor]

The poster doesn't really mean he would have stayed in a team if they praised Satan himself in that locker room. It's just a way of writing something without really thinking of what he wrote. A lot of people write contradictions. It's like saying no soldiers would quit their army when this army does atrocious things. Objection of conscience always existed and will always exist.

Yeah, I know. I just wrote back with the same hyperbole to make the point. No kidding he didn't really mean that...

Please give me some credit here. I'm not suffering from some (real) disease where I can't understand sarcasm, or where I can't determine hyperbole.

But, thanks for trying to save me from myself

 

[Engelwood]

In the off-season:

Florida's 2023 1st + Harris + 2024 3rd

Dubois - Suzuki - Caufield

This would be and incredible 1st line.

You don't need to give more than 1st and 3rd because that is what his value is worth if you Sign him to a poison pill one year offer sheet. One year offer sheet for 6.3 M and it is either Jets match and can not trade him for the one year and then lose him in free agency.

 

[Andrewcoursol]

Discusting anti French comment.

You compare Dubois and Drouin....wowwww

multiple penalties and 1 point in a must win game tonight, the jets with a reasonably healthy roster and a above average goalie are going to miss the playoffs this year, I wait until PLD is a unrestricted free agent and keep accumulating picks and prospects for 1 more year, the plan is to contend for a cup,not be a playoff bubble team, the picks/players needed to get PLD 1 year early hurts the habs by reducing trade chips and also being closer to a bubble playoff team when waiting 1 more year gets the habs a top 10 pick where they can get a needed top prospect. it also helps HUGO clear much needed cap space to resign guys like ghule, wi-fi, slaf, barron, you get the picture.

 

[nhlfan9191]

You are circling around to try and get a mulligan on your initial post. You were way off in that one and there is little to recover from.

Suzuki was a rebuild move, in the Bergevin, straddle-the-fence going both ways (retool/rebuild and compete now), instead of going all-in either way.

Suzuki was returned to Juniors, initially (right move), where he gained confidence and, once in. Montreal, was played up the depth chart, initially on a 4th line, then a third, then a 2nd line.

Rebuilding with Suzuki was the plan all along. That he turned out so good so fast is a bonus.

At the time the Pacioretty trade was made, Bergevin was looking for a good prospect AND a roster player to fill the void of Pacioretty leaving. Suzuki wasn’t even Bergevin’s first choice of prospect in Vegas. Cody Glass was. To say “rebuilding with Suzuki was the plan all along” for Bergevin is a joke. It was dumb luck. The plan was to get a player that could pull the train wreck that finished last in the east in 17/18 out of the basement as quickly as possible with everything else added in that trade as a plus.

 

[Scriptor]

At the time the Pacioretty trade was made, Bergevin was looking for a good prospect AND a roster player to fill the void of Pacioretty leaving. Suzuki wasn’t even Bergevin’s first choice of prospect in Vegas. Cody Glass was. To say “rebuilding with Suzuki was the plan all along” for Bergevin is a joke. It was dumb luck. The plan was to get a player that could pull the train wreck that finished last in the east in 17/18 out of the basement as quickly as possible with everything else added in that trade as a plus.

Can you read? Seriously? I don't say that Bergevin's plan was rebuilding with Suzuki all along.

I say -- to make this clear -- Bergevin's biggest flaw as a Gm was never going All-In one way or another, whether it was rebuilding, or whether it was vying for a Cup.

The best of both worlds approach, where you never get the best of anything, even of you add a nice piece like Suzuki for a rebuild/retool, or a Toffoli, whether you trade Subban for Weber, but don't follow up by getting a top-end Center, whether you trade Sergachev for Drouin, but fail to retain Radulov up front, or Markov as a stop gap on D.

Bergevin's hesitation and his attempt to play it both ways was his downfall, because he didn't really have the one record of his actions to support his tenure.

Coming close to a Cup after making the playoffs in a pandemic scenario with more teams particiapating, (where everyone knew there wasn't enough firepower to beat TB) wasn't enough to save Bergevin.

We can only be thankful that Bergevin didn't sell the farm for the wrong add-ons along the way in an attempt to save his job.

At least, he didn't want to go down in history as doing that.

 

[Hannibal]

Dach and Dubois together would make me have a emotion.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Rebuilding with Suzuki was the plan all along. That he turned out so good so fast is a bonus.

Can you read? Seriously? I don't say that Bergevin's plan was rebuilding with Suzuki all along.

I say -- to make this clear -- Bergevin's biggest flaw as a Gm was never going All-In one way or another, whether it was rebuilding, or whether it was vying for a Cup.

The best of both worlds approach, where you never get the best of anything, even of you add a nice piece like Suzuki for a rebuild/retool, or a Toffoli, whether you trade Subban for Weber, but don't follow up by getting a top-end Center, whether you trade Sergachev for Drouin, but fail to retain Radulov up front, or Markov as a stop gap on D.

Bergevin's hesitation and his attempt to play it both ways was his downfall, because he didn't really have the one record of his actions to support his tenure.

Coming close to a Cup after making the playoffs in a pandemic scenario with more teams particiapating, (where everyone knew there wasn't enough firepower to beat TB) wasn't enough to save Bergevin.

We can only be thankful that Bergevin didn't sell the farm for the wrong add-ons along the way in an attempt to save his job.

At least, he didn't want to go down in history as doing that.

I agree with what you said in the reply to my post. But the insult was uncalled for because I can read and what I quoted is what you said.

 

[The Great Weal]

I don't think that Dubois fell off a cliff from last year.

This is his most productive season, and whoever calls him soft has never seen him play.

 

[Egresch]

100% clean for me. Accidental injury.

 

[Rapala]

100% clean for me. Accidental injury.

That is a cheap shot and deserved the penalty. If he did that to Matheson or Ghule I'd be furious. A defender playing a puck away from the boards should not be hit or shoved from behind. The only side that came from was the BLIND side which is still a cheap shot but he got plenty of number.

 

[SOLR]

That is a cheap shot and deserved the penalty. If he did that to Matheson or Ghule I'd be furious. A defender playing a puck away from the boards should not be hit or shoved from behind. The only side that came from was the BLIND side which is still a cheap shot but he got plenty of number.

Dubois didn't hit from behind (shoulder-to-shoulder contact and not much of an intent to hit anyway, you can see Dubois paid some attention not to hit too hard) and a D would never dance on 1 foot like Anderson was doing there.

The only thing that happened in this situation is Dubois "being big and fast", and Anderson didn't want to give up in a situation he was going to lose, he should have been smarter. Not Dubois.

 

[MrNasty]

I am somewhat worried we don’t have enough available roster spots next year to play some of the prospects even after getting rid or Drouin and Armia or Hoffman. Now is an an opportune time to move out some pieces and upgrade. If it means landing PDL a year early then I am all for it.