Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[ClasslessGuy]

Yep I would no put our 2024 first on the line unless there’s a protection with a push to 2025.

Trading the florida pick this year is also scaring me… I still think they will shit the bed for the last 7 games and the pick might be close to top 10

 

[hvac412]

That whole team has gone ice cold.

On the flip side.. he's gonna surpass 60 points again this year, for the 3rd time in his career at 24.

He's minimum a 60 pt player and I think it's stupid to think that he can't fluctuate between 60 and 70 points. Those are numbers that traditionally lead the Habs in scoring.



Yeah that's so stupid..

"He only wants to play for Montreal.. I better pay more!!"

Paul Maurice ....nuff said

 

[Guy Larose]

Not a fan to give up a top 15 picks and an almost draft lottery ticket for a 25yo Dubois, but I would consider Mesar, something like Dvorak - Mesar and prospect

A 25yo Dubois? You make it sound like he needs a wheelchair...

 

[morhilane]

According to Jets board, Connor, Wheeler & Shit filet, especially Shit filet. He's dogging it. Connor has always been crap defensively but he isn't scoring now, so he's hurting the team with the crappy D.

Wheeler has aged out. He's old, slow & gives the puck away, but is still getting 20 minutes a night. Ehlers is getting 10. They're losing it over there.

PLD isn't getting as much grief, but he's not scoring either. He's playing better than the other 3.

None of the Jets coaches have liked Ehlers. I wonder why.

 

[Conflicted Habs fan]

Jets had traded Laine a second OA pick for Dubois a third OA pick. They want a Habs first round pick in return in compensation. There can be no other reason why the Jets were talking to Montreal

None of the Jets coaches have liked Ehlers. I wonder why.

He's Danish

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

People have such a hard time understanding..it,s insane. Where in there do I say that I don't want him? I want Dubois. IF they belief is that he'll sign here, why in the world would we empty the prospect pool to add him? We f***ing gave up on Sergachev to get Drouin. We've been emptying one spot to fill others.

And in response to this exactly..the poster talked about KIRBY DACH. Why did we acquire Dach. 'Cause the kid didn't cost a lot and was 21. It OBVIOUSLY had nothing to do with Suzuki...geez...

While he cost Romanov + 2 picks, to put it as a pick, Dach cost the Habs 13th overall + 2 3rds.

Most of the hab fans are suggesting Florida's pick + Dvorak, or something. It's suggesting to pay a little more for a player with a much more proven track record.

Most don't want to deal the 1st, Dvorak, Mesar/Mailloux/prospect of thar calibre + for him.

Dach's contract takes him to 1 year RFA left. That deal is looking pretty good here and I imagine HuGo don't want to rush it, but if they can expedite the rebuild, why not try it ?

Me, personally if they waited and did get him for free over a year from now and kept all the 1sts would be great.

If they do, personally I'd rather deal Mesar and Dvorak instead of Florida's 1st, but that might be cheaping out.

If 15 months from now the Habs are signing PLD as a free agent and bring Wood out of college that would be amazing. However, the news being reported sounds like they're working on a deal. That's where I'm coming from. The assumption that the Habs will trade for him.

I mean, who wouldn't rather have 2 1sts this year in the prospect pool, PLD next year and potentially 2 more 1sts next year added to the pool ?

 

[Kimota]

I keep hearing the name of Harris but the more I see of this kid, I like him more and more.

 

[Schooner Guy]

While he cost Romanov + 2 picks, to put it as a pick, Dach cost the Habs 13th overall + 2 3rds.

Most of the hab fans are suggesting Florida's pick + Dvorak, or something. It's suggesting to pay a little more for a player with a much more proven track record.

Most don't want to deal the 1st, Dvorak, Mesar/Mailloux/prospect of thar calibre + for him.

Dach's contract takes him to 1 year RFA left. That deal is looking pretty good here and I imagine HuGo don't want to rush it, but if they can expedite the rebuild, why not try it ?

Me, personally if they waited and did get him for free over a year from now and kept all the 1sts would be great.

If they do, personally I'd rather deal Mesar and Dvorak instead of Florida's 1st, but that might be cheaping out.

If 15 months from now the Habs are signing PLD as a free agent and bring Wood out of college that would be amazing. However, the news being reported sounds like they're working on a deal. That's where I'm coming from. The assumption that the Habs will trade for him.

I mean, who wouldn't rather have 2 1sts this year in the prospect pool, PLD next year and potentially 2 more 1sts next year added to the pool ?

I hear what you're saying. A couple of things though...

1. Most here believe this draft is stronger and deeper than last year's and a top 15 pick is worth more than a year ago. We'll find out in a few years.

2. PLD is due for a massive raise whereas Dach came in with a bit of cost control.

My concerns with PLD are that he seems to be the type of person who gets sick of his workplace quickly and then wants out for greener pastures. We all know people like this in our everyday real world lives.

 

[Belial]

Yep I would no put our 2024 first on the line unless there’s a protection with a push to 2025.

Trading the florida pick this year is also scaring me… I still think they will shit the bed for the last 7 games and the pick might be close to top 10

We'll know where Florida picks before the trade happens...

I keep hearing the name of Harris but the more I see of this kid, I like him more and more.

We are stacked on the left side...

Matheson
Guhle
Edmundson
Arber
Struble
Trudeau
Hutson
Norlinder
Engstrom

I think trading Harris wouldn't be the end of the world.

 

[ReHabs]

Our 1st 2024 is lottery bound and will be fairly high up with potential 1st overall. I will not give it to the Jets for PLD.

If our injury devastated team full of AHLers couldn’t get bottom5 this year so you think it’ll happen next year with PLD on the roster?

 

[Habs Halifax]

I keep hearing the name of Harris but the more I see of this kid, I like him more and more.

Harris knows how to play and he has potential to be even better moving forward. I honestly think we might trade him later because is there room for both Harris and Hutson if we want to be contender? Maybe there is if the other guys are bigger/mobile types like Guhle, Xhekaj, Barron, Mailloux.

Then I wonder about Matheson. Age 29 today and signed till his age 33 season. We might have to consider that not all our roster will be 30 or under in 3+ years and Matheson might stay. I really liked what I have seen from him this season. He has clearly improved as the season moved along and that puck moving/skating is top notch.

So yeah... I think I would pick Matheson and Hutson and flip Harris in another trade later on. Jets won't give us the fair value for Harris in the Dubois trade package anyways.

 

[Belial]

If our injury devastated team full of AHLers couldn’t get bottom5 this year so you think it’ll happen next year with PLD on the roster?

You could finish 10th last, win the lottery, and draft first overall...

 

[Frankenheimer]

100% don’t want him on team let alone trading for him. We finally have something resembling a ground up rebuild with everyone buying in.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I hear what you're saying. A couple of things though...

1. Most here believe this draft is stronger and deeper than last year's and a top 15 pick is worth more than a year ago. We'll find out in a few years.

2. PLD is due for a massive raise whereas Dach came in with a bit of cost control.

My concerns with PLD are that he seems to be the type of person who gets sick of his workplace quickly and then wants out for greener pastures. We all know people like this in our everyday real world lives.

1) If I had to choose one to let go from Beck, Panthers 1st, and our RD's (Barron or Mailloux), I would dangle Beck and protect the Panthers 1st and our RD's. No doubt in my mind that the Jets would value Beck and I don't see them getting both a center and RD in the Dubois trade. Trading the Panthers 1st is a maybe with me and if they insist, Beck may be taken out of the package.

2) Dubois is going to be paid around what Hintz, Horvat, Larkin just got. If you believe in Suzuki growing more from age 24+, you should believe in Dubois growing more from age 25+. Both centers are very good at what they do.

What would you say if Dubois asked out of Columbus and wanted to be traded to the Habs then but the Jets interfered with their Laine/Ros offer? If we can speculate that he gets complacent, we can also speculate that he is uninspired on the Jets because he really did want to be traded to the Habs. It's not like he has become uninspired to a point where he has fallen to 40-50 pts level.

 

[Habs Halifax]

100% don’t want him on team let alone trading for him. We finally have something resembling a ground up rebuild with everyone buying in.

I 100% dislike this narrative where it's an obsession that all our hits come from the draft in a rebuild. Dubois is less than a year older than Suzuki. If you like Suzuki, you should like Dubois as well.

You do know that not all our prospects and draft picks will be hits right? And Dubois is a proven top 2C at age 25 next year?

Imagine if the Rangers didn't trade for Trouba, decided to trade Kreider, and not sign Panarin? They would be still rebuilding and probably like the Sabres.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

I 100% dislike this narrative where it's an obsession that all our hits come from the draft in a rebuild. Dubois is less than a year older than Suzuki. If you like Suzuki, you should like Dubois as well.

You do know that not all our prospects and draft picks will be hits right? And Dubois is a proven top 2C at age 25 next year?

Imagine if the Rangers didn't trade for Trouba, decided to trade Kreider, and not sign Panarin? They would be still rebuilding and probably like the Sabres.

PLD is literally a perfect fit for this team and the rebuild.

How anyone can think otherwise is mind blowing to me.

 

[ReHabs]

You could finish 10th last, win the lottery, and draft first overall...

That would suck!

100% don’t want him on team let alone trading for him. We finally have something resembling a ground up rebuild with everyone buying in.

Is Tampa Bay an inorganic team because they acquired Sergachev via trade? Do you think their fans should've celebrated their cups that little bit less because of it?

How about St. Louis and Ryan O'Reilly and Brayden Schenn? Makes their cups less special since they weren't part of a "ground up rebuild" I suppose...

Colorado has no reason to celebrate anything -- they didn't build from the ground up when they traded futures for Lehkonen. Honestly, I think they should give back their cup. They didn't earn it with a rebuild, they took shortcuts -- it's unsporting and frankly wrong for a team to acquire impact players from other organizations.

You must've been relieved when the Habs lost in the Cup Finals, because as inorganic as the Lightning team was the Habs were so much worse -- Shea Weber wasn't home grown, Suzuki wasn't home grown, Josh Anderson wasn't home grown... and all those UFA signings like Toffoli and Chiarot... it was dishonest and cheap. It looked nothing like a Ground Up Rebuild, the Only Way To Win A Championship.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Out of curiosity.... is there any rule preventing him from signing an offer sheet for 3M once he's an RFA again this summer?

Dubois isn't going to accept that. He isn't going to give up 3-4 M just to potentially arrive in Montreal one year sooner.
The jets also easily match that. They will rather have Dubois for a full year + playoffs than just give him up for a 2nd round pick.

 

[Colezuki]

Yep I would no put our 2024 first on the line unless there’s a protection with a push to 2025.

Trading the florida pick this year is also scaring me… I still think they will shit the bed for the last 7 games and the pick might be close to top 10

Florida pick wont be traded till it's position is known, there not going to flip it pre-lottery then go "oops"

 

[Schooner Guy]

What would you say if Dubois asked out of Columbus and wanted to be traded to the Habs then but the Jets interfered with their Laine/Ros offer? If we can speculate that he gets complacent, we can also speculate that he is uninspired on the Jets because he really did want to be traded to the Habs. It's not like he has become uninspired to a point where he has fallen to 40-50 pts level.

That's a huge "what if" scenario that reminds me of the "what if" Marvel comics I read as a kid.

PLD got trade to the organization that was good enough for his Dad to be employed by and where his parents lived during hockey season. He seemed elated to be going there at the time of the trade.

I just worry that he's a quitter who checks out when his situation becomes less than ideal. He sure has gone stale during the Jets drive to hang on to a playoff spot. The Habs will need to commit a lot of assets and a huge amount of cap space and term to secure PLD.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I hear what you're saying. A couple of things though...

1. Most here believe this draft is stronger and deeper than last year's and a top 15 pick is worth more than a year ago. We'll find out in a few years.

2. PLD is due for a massive raise whereas Dach came in with a bit of cost control.

My concerns with PLD are that he seems to be the type of person who gets sick of his workplace quickly and then wants out for greener pastures. We all know people like this in our everyday real world lives.

Yeah, that's very true.

My optimism is he gets sick of it only recently, maybe as his desire to play for the Habs grew ?

I haven't watched many Jets games recently, as he's struggling, but a lot of the Jets top players are.

His contract is a concern in that the Habs might not be able to use space to get another asset.

Getting PLD isn't without concern that's for sure.

 

[FerrisRox]

Beyond the stuff in the offseason? Roughly, Friedman and LeBrun have mentioned recently that its likely (Friedman said 95%) that Dubois will end up a Hab and the Jets and Habs are talking about what it would take to expedite that. There was arecent 32 Thoughts podcast and some LeBrun TSN radio hits.

The "stuff" in the off-season was certainly not that the Canadiens were solely and only the team he wanted to play for.

Pat Brisson said this: "Montreal is a city he would probably … I can talk about it because he doesn't have a contract at the moment - he's a restricted free agent," Brisson told TVA Sports in French, as translated by The Athletic. "Montreal is a place, a city he'd like to play in. That's all I can say about that."

There's an enormous difference between that quote and you claiming that Montreal is the only team he wants to play for.

 

[ReHabs]

I just worry that he's a quitter who checks out when his situation becomes less than ideal. He sure has gone stale during the Jets drive to hang on to a playoff spot. The Habs will need to commit a lot of assets and a huge amount of cap space and term to secure PLD.

He told the Jets at the time of trade he will hit UFA. The Jets organization revealed to the media that PLD doesn't want to sign long-term, that first release wasn't from PLD's camp. Ever since then it's been the same topic - the Jets wanted a long-term deal, and PLD refused to sign beyond his mandated restricted period.

The whole Jets team has gone stale, you have to respect the context even if you want to poo-poo this one player.

 

[Habs Halifax]

That's a huge "what if" scenario that reminds me of the "what if" Marvel comics I read as a kid.

PLD got trade to the organization that was good enough for his Dad to be employed by and where his parents lived during hockey season. He seemed elated to be going there at the time of the trade.

I just worry that he's a quitter who checks out when his situation becomes less than ideal. He sure has gone stale during the Jets drive to hang on to a playoff spot. The Habs will need to commit a lot of assets and a huge amount of cap space and term to secure PLD.

The "what if" narrative applies two ways in speculation. Don't overlook that point.

He seemed to be elated to be going to the Jets? Did you expect him to say negative things after being traded there? I'm sure you realize that what you say through the media is not necessarily what you keep to yourself. More speculation so yeah, your speculation is valid and Dubois wanting to be traded to the Habs after asking out of Columbus is a non factor?

I don't see a quitter. I see a guy who was a Habs fan growing up who wants to play for our team and join us at a time where our direction is good. I'm sure Gorton/Hughes will manage this situation well.

A lot of assets? I don't see a problem if we can acquire via a Trouba trade value. If that is not possible and the price is too high, then we pass yes. But personally, I don't think he plays nice in the sign/trade with any other team that tries to trade for him.

Huge amount of cap space? He's just as good as Suzuki and less than one year older. He will get paid around what Suzuki's cap hit is. Or are you thinking he is going to ask for $9M - $10M range when Hintz, Horvat, and Larkin didn't get it?

Saying no to trading for Dubois is like saying no to trading for ROR because the price was Poehling+. ROR's path with the Avs and Sabres is kind of similar to Dubois path with the Blue Jackets and Sabres.

 

[morhilane]

That's a huge "what if" scenario that reminds me of the "what if" Marvel comics I read as a kid.

PLD got trade to the organization that was good enough for his Dad to be employed by and where his parents lived during hockey season. He seemed elated to be going there at the time of the trade.

I just worry that he's a quitter who checks out when his situation becomes less than ideal. He sure has gone stale during the Jets drive to hang on to a playoff spot. The Habs will need to commit a lot of assets and a huge amount of cap space and term to secure PLD.

PLD was happy to be traded to the Jets? The guy who phoned it in during the season after being traded (having his worst season ppg-wise) and in the playoffs that followed was happy to be there?

What I remember of that year was how PLD looked exactly like he did back in Columbus when he wanted out of there ASAP.