Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Paddy17]

Out of curiosity.... is there any rule preventing him from signing an offer sheet for 3M once he's an RFA again this summer?

 

[Scriptor]

According to Jets board, Connor, Wheeler & Shit filet, especially Shit filet. He's dogging it. Connor has always been crap defensively but he isn't scoring now, so he's hurting the team with the crappy D.

Wheeler has aged out. He's old, slow & gives the puck away, but is still getting 20 minutes a night. Ehlers is getting 10. They're losing it over there.

PLD isn't getting as much grief, but he's not scoring either. He's playing better than the other 3.

PLD also missed a few games in March with an upper body injury (must be an ingrown nail in his right foot, then), and then it took a few games to feel 100% again, but he feels good right now and his mindset is that the team should all be playing playoff hockey right now if they want to make the playoffs.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Out of curiosity.... is there any rule preventing him from signing an offer sheet for 3M once he's an RFA again this summer?

Nope.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Bedard, PLD and Hellebuyck would make us a contender right away tough.

Yeah but there could be better than Hellebuck or equivalent in the next 2 years. Centers are rare we know that and Hellebuck is already 30.

PLD also missed a few games in March with an upper body injury (must be an ingrown nail in his right foot, then), and then it took a few games to feel 100% again, but he feels good right now and his mindset is that the team should all be playing playoff hockey right now if they want to make the playoffs.

Their whole team is in a bad slump right now. It affected their moral I guess.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Someone translate?

 

[Paddy17]

Nope.

Well, well... if he really wants to play for the Habs and be an asshole about it with the Jets...

 

[Canadienna]

According to Jets board, Connor, Wheeler & Shit filet, especially Shit filet. He's dogging it. Connor has always been crap defensively but he isn't scoring now, so he's hurting the team with the crappy D.

Wheeler has aged out. He's old, slow & gives the puck away, but is still getting 20 minutes a night. Ehlers is getting 10. They're losing it over there.

PLD isn't getting as much grief, but he's not scoring either. He's playing better than the other 3.

I'm not watching him, but the production is pretty bad.

 

[Paddy17]

Someone translate?

"At this moment, I see an agent in Pat Brisson who wants to make everyone believe Dubois wants to play for the Habs to increase bidding price."

Makes no sense. Bidding price for what? How can that increase the bidding war?

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Someone translate?

Presently I see an agent (Pat Brisson) who wants everybody to beleive PLD wants to go Montreal to raise the bidding on his client.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I'm not watching him, but the production is pretty bad.

That whole team has gone ice cold.

On the flip side.. he's gonna surpass 60 points again this year, for the 3rd time in his career at 24.

He's minimum a 60 pt player and I think it's stupid to think that he can't fluctuate between 60 and 70 points. Those are numbers that traditionally lead the Habs in scoring.

"At this moment, I see an agent in Pat Brisson who wants to make everyone believe Dubois wants to play for the Habs to increase bidding price."

Makes no sense. Bidding price for what? How can that increase the bidding war?

Yeah that's so stupid..

"He only wants to play for Montreal.. I better pay more!!"

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I'm not watching him, but the production is pretty bad.

Yup, he's been awful, and yet no where close to being the worst Jet forward either. Lowry has been their best followed by Neidereitter then PLD.

Rest of team has been trash, except for Morrissey & Hellbuyck. By all accounts Shit-filet is a selfish, arrogant asshole.

 

[bleuetbio]

Not a fan to give up a top 15 picks and an almost draft lottery ticket for a 25yo Dubois, but I would consider Mesar, something like Dvorak - Mesar and prospect

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Gomez was 30yo when we acquired him. Drouin and Dubois are so not the same kind of player.

It's more the idea we keep chasing players who had issues with their prior organizations and give up something valuable to acquire them. Who the players are doesn't really matter. New York desperately wanted out of Gomez's contract and we gifted them McDonagh while Drouin was nothing but a giant headache for Stevie Y. and he somehow turned that into Sergachev.

I'm fine with us giving up Florida or Calgary's pick as they're basically darts on a board. If the Jets insist on Dach or any noteworthy prospect though, they can piss off. That being said, I really think we should stay the course and not bother with Dubois at all.

 

[HabzSauce]

"At this moment, I see an agent in Pat Brisson who wants to make everyone believe Dubois wants to play for the Habs to increase bidding price."

Makes no sense. Bidding price for what? How can that increase the bidding war?

So that Brisson can use that in negotiations and play hard ball.

Idk if that will work but only reasoning I could think of and I thought about it for a good 5 minutes

 

[HabzSauce]

Yeah that's so stupid..

"He only wants to play for Montreal.. I better pay more!!"

Hopefully all the other GMs response

 

[Belial]

Dubois trade becomes slightly more possible if WPG miss the playoffs this year and decide to retool. It eliminates the 'WPG chooses to go for it one more time' possibility. Unfortunately, it's obvious that WPG are better off holding onto Dubois with a simple QO and then dealing him at the next trade deadline for a big return.

Unless there are behind-the-scenes aspects we're not privy, the cards remain in WPG's hands.

I mean players like Ben Chiarot and David Savard where traded for 1st round pick as pure rentals. This year:
Tyler Bertuzzi
Dimitri Orlov
Ryan O'Rielly

Where all traded as rentals

WPG surely can receive a 1st for PLD

They will get a first-rounder + for him at the next TDL for sure but it's going to be a late first-round pick.

They won't get a 15th overall pick (Florida).

2 f***ing times we've gave up top end prospects for guys that were going anyway. Sergachev for Drouin. And McDonagh for Gomez.

How about we stop that f***ing stupidity....

No one's talking about trading Guhle for him...

 

[Kojo]

No one's talking about trading Guhle for him...

Someone said we should trade Lane Hutson for PLD though.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Francois Gagnon with the stupiest takes. Nobody is gonna offer the moon for him

If Brisson think the habs are desperate to get him , he's wrong as hell

Even if the Jets keep him until nextdeadline , They will get what a late first pick a late 2nd pick and a B prospect?

It's not that great of a return lol

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

i feel nothing

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Yeah that's so stupid..

"He only wants to play for Montreal.. I better pay more!!"

Every time Francois Gagnon opens his mouth, it's a real adventure in mental gymnastics. I don't know if he honestly thinks he's intelligent, or if he does an excellent job of playing the fool, but what a take there....Woooooof.

"I see an agent telling people, "my client only wants to go to Montreal."

Any normal person - "Well, that ought to narrow the market down, nobody is going to offer full value now, including the Habs."

Francois Gagnon - Brilliant mon Patrick, Brilliant. T'as créer un énorme marché, maintenant que vous avez dit aux gens qu'il ne veut jouer qu'à un seul endroit, ils vont payer plus - pour l'empêcher de rejoindre le Tricolore!! Tu joues aux échecs cependant que tous les autres joue aux dames.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Agree. We should never offersheet PLD. The Jets will be very happy to match the offersheet and get PLD lock up for another 7 years.

The offer sheet would be one year at $6.3M. He accepted $6M for one year this year.

If Winnipeg does not match, we have an extension agreed to and sign it in January like KK did. Winnpeg gets our 2024 1st and 3rd and no roster players.

If Winnipeg matches, they cannot trade him next year, not even at the deadline. No other team will have a chance to play him and woo him.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Rushing a rebuild....why? Why in the world do we do that, when we can't even count 2018 as a rebuild because JK isn't with us anymore...and you can't even count 2022 'cause it's clear that while he will be a good player, SLAF will not be the No1 that changes the face of a team.

Our rebuild has to be wise and precise. Our rebuild needs to take into consideration the OTHER teams around us. And what they have upcoming. There is no world where acquiring PLD while giving some futures will make us more relevant and where the window will be more there in 1 or 2 years than it would in 3 to 5 years. Chances are our 2nd rounders could play a more significant than our 1st rounders last year. And I like Slaf. So....this team is not close of becoming relevant. And having Dubois next year won't change that.

Not on his own, but Dubois for 8 years helps it become relevant. The process is not going to succeed overnight, and adding a player of his calibre for a mid to late first and other expendable assets is easily part of a steady plan.

We have 4 strong players right now. Guhle and Slaf arguably will make 6. Dubois and Smith or our other 2023 high pick should make 8. One of Farrell, Heineman, Gurianov, Roy, Kidney and Beck will hopefully make 9.

$25-28 million of cap hit available and many more picks and prospects should enable us to land some talent in a cap world, namely a 1RD, 1G and one other missing piece if one of the above don't pan out.

11 strong players should allow us to contend. If we luck out with a superstar, it could be 9 plus that superstar who counts for two strong players.

 

[nhlfan9191]

The offer sheet wouyld be one year at $6.3M. He accepted $6M fo rone year this year.

If Winnipeg does not match, we have an extension agreed to and sign it in January like KK did. Winnpeg gets our 2024 1st and 3rd and no roster players.

If Winnipeg matches, they cannot trade him next year, not even at the deadline. No other team will have a chance to play him and woo him.

No chance we’re giving away an unprotected 1st in the middle of a rebuild. Especially with where the team is right now. Hughes should be fired if he even considers that.

 

[JustAHabFan]

The offer sheet wouyld be one year at $6.3M. He accepted $6M fo rone year this year.

If Winnipeg does not match, we have an extension agreed to and sign it in January like KK did. Winnpeg gets our 2024 1st and 3rd and no roster players.

If Winnipeg matches, they cannot trade him next year, not even at the deadline. No other team will have a chance to play him and woo him.

Our 1st 2024 is lottery bound and will be fairly high up with potential 1st overall. I will not give it to the Jets for PLD.

 

[Egresch]

The offer sheet wouyld be one year at $6.3M. He accepted $6M fo rone year this year.

If Winnipeg does not match, we have an extension agreed to and sign it in January like KK did. Winnpeg gets our 2024 1st and 3rd and no roster players.

If Winnipeg matches, they cannot trade him next year, not even at the deadline. No other team will have a chance to play him and woo him.

Thanks, that is a great piece of information to the puzzle. This is basically the starting point for discussions about trade this summer.
The main decision is on WPG side as they need to decide what they really want: roster player, prospect or pick. I guess they will know once their season is over. They might end with full rebuild. I expect the trade to happen on draft day, same as Dach.