Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[TomKosto]

Rushing a rebuild....why? Why in the world do we do that, when we can't even count 2018 as a rebuild because JK isn't with us anymore...and you can't even count 2022 'cause it's clear that while he will be a good player, SLAF will not be the No1 that changes the face of a team.

Our rebuild has to be wise and precise. Our rebuild needs to take into consideration the OTHER teams around us. And what they have upcoming. There is no world where acquiring PLD while giving some futures will make us more relevant and where the window will be more there in 1 or 2 years than it would in 3 to 5 years. Chances are our 2nd rounders could play a more significant than our 1st rounders last year. And I like Slaf. So....this team is not close of becoming relevant. And having Dubois next year won't change that.

If we can add a Suzuki type player for a mid pick or a prospect like Mesar why not? Dubois can be add to rebuild just like Dach was. We will still pick top10 next year. Than, we can spent more the next two summers via ufas with contracts of Hoffman, Armia and Dvorak coming off the books. He's going to be 26 by then and Nick 25, in their prime. The timing is good to spend a small asset on Dubois.

 

[OldCraig71]

Rushing a rebuild....why? Why in the world do we do that, when we can't even count 2018 as a rebuild because JK isn't with us anymore...and you can't even count 2022 'cause it's clear that while he will be a good player, SLAF will not be the No1 that changes the face of a team.

Our rebuild has to be wise and precise. Our rebuild needs to take into consideration the OTHER teams around us. And what they have upcoming. There is no world where acquiring PLD while giving some futures will make us more relevant and where the window will be more there in 1 or 2 years than it would in 3 to 5 years. Chances are our 2nd rounders could play a more significant than our 1st rounders last year. And I like Slaf. So....this team is not close of becoming relevant. And having Dubois next year won't change that.

I would wait until he is a free agent. Hughes has already told us that it will be 2-3 more years until we are even ready to compete for a playoff spot so why rush it?

 

[Benstheman]

Alright. Trade for PLD this summer and be done with it. And add Helleybuyck.

I would do Habs 2024 1st (top 10 protected) + Habs 2023 2nd + Mesar +Allen + Dvorak + Harris.

 

[Scriptor]

Possibly.. I do think there's a chance we get a 1st in an Anderson deal that's more in that 20s spot and it will be the 1st going back. We certainly don't need Anderson if we get PLD and we'll want to free up that salary.

Why would we certainly not need Anderson if we get PLD? You'd think the plan was to get really better, not to replace players and maybe get somewhat better?

 

[BLONG7]

I would wait until he is a free agent. Hughes has already told us that it will be 2-3 more years until we are even ready to compete for a playoff spot so why rush it?

If he is truly wanting to play for the habs, then we get him for free.............let's wait.
Hughes is all about leverage, and when he has it, a good deal gets made. If he doesn't, then nothing happens....

Stay tuned folks....

 

[Vachon23]

Alright. Trade for PLD this summer and be done with it. And add Helleybuyck.

I would do Habs 2024 1st (top 10 protected) + Habs 2023 2nd + Mesar +Allen + Dvorak + Harris.

Trading for a 30 yrs old G that will be UFA in 2024 dosen't make really sense

 

[BLONG7]

Alright. Trade for PLD this summer and be done with it. And add Helleybuyck.

I would do Habs 2024 1st (top 10 protected) + Habs 2023 2nd + Mesar +Allen + Dvorak + Harris.

Don't go to the main board with this one.................their goalie is untouchable, and Price was to us....

 

[Scriptor]

We can add Mailloux too

Because there's no precedent for it.

Why are we the ones, to finally, be the ones paying the best prospect and draft capital out of every other RFA in the same position?

It makes no sense.

Dubois wants to be here. It's one of the worst kept secrets in the NHL. Kypreos said it's 100%, Freidman says its 95%. Winnipeg has no leverage. Hughes is a skilled negotiator as we've seen.

You don't get very far in a value driven league giving away value just because. The market on these trades have been set and with the fact that Dubois is ending up here sooner, rather than later, paying a larger acquisition cost than anyone else in the same situation is just asinine and irresponsible. I don't get why anyone would advocate for that.

Kypreos said it's 100%, Freidman says its 95%.

The question really is, "What does Dubois say?"

 

[Benstheman]

Don't go to the main board with this one.................their goalie is untouchable, and Price was to us....

Don’t worry. I don’t want to insult anybody… I was joking about this one to be honest.

That being said, They consider Helley untouchable even though he is UFA in 2024 while their board are unanimously agreeing with a rebuild? Weird.

 

[Draft]

Rushing a rebuild....why? Why in the world do we do that, when we can't even count 2018 as a rebuild because JK isn't with us anymore...and you can't even count 2022 'cause it's clear that while he will be a good player, SLAF will not be the No1 that changes the face of a team.

Our rebuild has to be wise and precise. Our rebuild needs to take into consideration the OTHER teams around us. And what they have upcoming. There is no world where acquiring PLD while giving some futures will make us more relevant and where the window will be more there in 1 or 2 years than it would in 3 to 5 years. Chances are our 2nd rounders could play a more significant than our 1st rounders last year. And I like Slaf. So....this team is not close of becoming relevant. And having Dubois next year won't change that.

Our rebuild has to be timely and proactive. We need to consider the context of our young players and capitalize on opportunities that present themselves. If you're willing to sacrifice prime years of young top line players like Suzuki and Caufield for a <5% chance per year at an elite talent... I guess go for it. But the point is to build a winning team, not gamble years of good hockey away dreaming of a single player that may or may not ever arrive or change the fortunes of the club when they get here. Slafkovsky, Kotkaniemi, Galchenyuk, Drouin, Dach, etc. are all top-3 picks but just aren't good enough to turn the team around or build around.

What do you do when the window closes on Suzuki/Caufield/Dach/Slafkovsky/Guhle/etc. after rolling the dice on top-5 picks? If winning the lottery happens, great. We still need to be building in the meantime. Investing vs. gambling IMO.

 

[BLONG7]

Don’t worry. I don’t want to insult anybody… I was joking about this one to be honest.

That being said, They consider Helley untouchable even though he is UFA in 2024 while their board are unanimously agreeing with a rebuild? Weird.

Helley has done for them, what Price did here, covered over all the problems...............no one should build from the net out, you should build your team, and then get a goalie...........there is a slippery slope here, see Oilers and Leafs, but if you can score goals and defend well, it seems you do not need a star goalie, but a goalie who can just play well at the right time.......

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Wny is this thread turning to hellbuyck
Let's overpay another goalie past his prime years during a rebuild lmao

 

[Team_Spirit]

Is he talking about PLD, Connor or shit filet? Or all 3 lol

 

[Benstheman]

Bedard, PLD and Hellebuyck would make us a contender right away tough.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Bedard, PLD and Hellebuyck would make us a contender right away tough.

With 0 defense? Yeah right

 

[salbutera]

I would wait until he is a free agent. Hughes has already told us that it will be 2-3 more years until we are even ready to compete for a playoff spot so why rush it?

Again… that’s not what he said.

There’s obviously a group of teams in our division and in our conference that are going through the same process as us, be it a Buffalo, Ottawa or Detroit; and then you’ve got a group of teams that have been there, the Tampas of the world, the Bruins of the world, that all the teams that are coming up are going to have to push out. So I kind of look at it less from “when will we be there?” but more what we need to do before we feel that we have that kind of team. Listen, I think it’s going to be another two, three years … but again, we’re hopeful we have opportunities to trade for good, young players like a Kirby Dach, instead of using a draft pick for it. We’ll try to do that, and that’s kind of a way to expedite the timeline.

2-3 years till they get to perennial threat to challenge the TBay / Bruins not 2-3 years before qualifying for the playoffs

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Bedard, PLD and Hellebuyck would make us a contender right away tough.

Zero interest in Hellebuyck. He's ufa in 1 year, and he's going to end up the next Brobovsky/Price in terms of having a horrible contract.

 

[salbutera]

Zero interest in Hellebuyck. He's ufa in 1 year, and he's going to end up the next Brobovsky/Price in terms of having a horrible contract.

Hughes already said they’re not targeting 28+ year olds. They will go after Hart / Askarov or another 24 & under potential starter depending on availability

 

[sampollock]

wonder what Kent thinks about PLD????

 

[salbutera]

wonder what Kent thinks about PLD????

“When can I announce the deal & move on already”…

 

[ML16]

They did in Pionk but as I posted earlier, Trouba had not limited his end destination to 1-team, thus allowing Chevaldayoff to have some leverage power.

If PLD has only limited to one destination, Chevy has NO leverage whatsoever and no other GM will offer up anything of value, knowing they have a disgruntled rental

If I remember correctly, Trouba indeed had a shortlist of American teams he was willing to sign long term, essentially big cities where his wife’s medical career could thrive.

(Maybe one should enquire about Dubois’ significant other’s professional licensing status to predict his future destination?!)

 

[salbutera]

Didn’t / doesn’t PLDs old man work for Jets org (Manitoba Moose)?

Wonder how much fun that’s been?

 

[River Meadow]

Bedard, PLD and Hellebuyck would make us a contender right away tough.

A contender?

More like a pretender who MAYBE squeaks into the playoffs and then gets rekt in round 1.

 

[FerrisRox]

There is no rental if we offersheet as the article says. And we should be subtly hinting at it to Winnipeg.

If our management is stupid enough to surrender our first round draft pick, which is likely to be a lottery pick, in order to acquire Pierre Luc Dubois I will completely lose faith in this regime.

That would require epic stupidity.

Off the charts stupidity.

In my mind, that would be a fire-able offence.

Fine. Then, I don't trade for him. IF the rumor is indeed true that he solely and only wants to come here, and knowing that we will suck next year as well...why in the world would we give them anything of real value for him? Why????

What rumour are you referring to?

I have never seen anything that suggested that he solely and only wanted to come to Montreal? What is the source of this rumour?

 

[Captain Mountain]

If our management is stupid enough to surrender our first round draft pick, which is likely to be a lottery pick, in order to acquire Pierre Luc Dubois I will completely lose faith in this regime.

That would require epic stupidity.

Off the charts stupidity.

In my mind, that would be a fire-able offence.



What rumour are you referring to?

I have never seen anything that suggested that he solely and only wanted to come to Montreal? What is the source of this rumour?

Beyond the stuff in the offseason? Roughly, Friedman and LeBrun have mentioned recently that its likely (Friedman said 95%) that Dubois will end up a Hab and the Jets and Habs are talking about what it would take to expedite that. There was arecent 32 Thoughts podcast and some LeBrun TSN radio hits.