Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

“Would you rather that the Habs trade for Dubois or instead wait and try to sign him when he becomes


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Gaylord Q Tinkledink

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Rushing a rebuild....why? Why in the world do we do that, when we can't even count 2018 as a rebuild because JK isn't with us anymore...and you can't even count 2022 'cause it's clear that while he will be a good player, SLAF will not be the No1 that changes the face of a team.

Our rebuild has to be wise and precise. Our rebuild needs to take into consideration the OTHER teams around us. And what they have upcoming. There is no world where acquiring PLD while giving some futures will make us more relevant and where the window will be more there in 1 or 2 years than it would in 3 to 5 years. Chances are our 2nd rounders could play a more significant than our 1st rounders last year. And I like Slaf. So....this team is not close of becoming relevant. And having Dubois next year won't change that.
Why did the Habs trade for Dach ? They lost a 1st and they're not really better than they were last year and cost the team futures !

The fact that you're not sold on Slaf should be more proof to trade magic beans for a proven commodity.
 

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Again… that’s not what he said.


2-3 years till they get to perennial threat to challenge the TBay / Bruins not 2-3 years before qualifying for the playoffs
Oh, I should go back and listen again because I am pretty sure he said that this rebuild would last for 2-3 more years and that he would not look to add a player just to make a playoff push. Most rebuilding teams are not looking short term but have a longer-term end goal in mind.
 
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Why did the Habs trade for Dach ? They lost a 1st and they're not really better than they were last year and cost the team futures !

The fact that you're not sold on Slaf should be more proof to trade magic beans for a proven commodity.
You don't think the habs are ahead with Dach on board, and Romanov gone? With the likes of our D being better especially with Jack/Eye easily taking Romy's spot.
 

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You don't think the habs are ahead with Dach on board, and Romanov gone? With the likes of our D being better especially with Jack/Eye easily taking Romy's spot.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the trade now. I'm just pointing out trading for a player that helps the team and is far and away more proven.

My point is, why didn't the team keep the 1st instead of dealing it ?
 

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Don't get me wrong, I loved the trade now. I'm just pointing out trading for a player that helps the team and is far and away more proven.

My point is, why didn't the team keep the 1st instead of dealing it ?

they valued Dach more than Romanov and what was available in the draft? Feels likes a case by case basis, and they hit the nail on the head.
 
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they valued Dach more than Romanov and what was available in the draft? Feels likes a case by case basis, and they hit the nail on the head.
And that's not wrong.

PLD is almost certainly going to be better than the player drafted with Florida's pick.

Furthermore, let's say the trade is Florida's 1st for PLD just that. The player the Jets draft might not be the player the Habs would have drafted. So, if thar player becomes better than PLD, it's not a guarantee that the Habs would have drafted that player.

A lot of people here liked Nazar and would have preferred him, but with him (Nazar) being hurt for most of the season and Dach playing well makes it look better, but who knows what happens 3 seasons from now.

I'm just of the belief the Habs will acquire him this offseason.
 

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Why did the Habs trade for Dach ? They lost a 1st and they're not really better than they were last year and cost the team futures !

The fact that you're not sold on Slaf should be more proof to trade magic beans for a proven commodity.
First...Kirby Dach. How old is he? For Slaf, it's not about not being sold. It's about recognizing that he is not a typical 1st overall that could change immediately the face of the team.
 
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Montembeault is a backup. Don’t kid yourself.

And what is this thread if it isn’t dreaming? This whole site is a dream. Every prospect will hit and we have dream lineups with zero UFAs.
Yeah I like the prospects and their ceiling too but they are not nhl proven yet, all of them.
I talk about those who haven't played with us yet.
 

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Some would like having Carter Hart, yeah I like the guy but he's not that great. I'll go with Hellebuck anytime before Hart. Hart is a wanna be Price. The only thing he doesn't reach the socks of Price.
 

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I can't help but laugh at the idea that a Habs offer sheet for $6+M, which would give the Jets the Habs' *unprotected 2024 1st* is somehow a 'threat' to the Jets.

It's not a threat, it would be a *lifeline* for the Jets.

Imagine getting an unprotected lottery pick for a guy who doesn't want to be on your team! The Jets would be popping champagne!!
 

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I can't help but laugh at the idea that a Habs offer sheet for $6+M, which would give the Jets the Habs' *unprotected 2024 1st* is somehow a 'threat' to the Jets.

It's not a threat, it would be a *lifeline* for the Jets.

Imagine getting an unprotected lottery pick for a guy who doesn't want to be on your team! The Jets would be popping champagne!!

Yeah that's a line I'm not willing to cross. Not nearly confident enough in this team to know we won't be a basement team next year.

The FLA pick just makes too much sense. It's a meeting halfway. Could also be the CGY 1st.
 
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Dubois is one year older than our captain...Should we trade Suzuki because he is too old for the rebuild?
People have such a hard time understanding..it,s insane. Where in there do I say that I don't want him? I want Dubois. IF they belief is that he'll sign here, why in the world would we empty the prospect pool to add him? We f***ing gave up on Sergachev to get Drouin. We've been emptying one spot to fill others.

And in response to this exactly..the poster talked about KIRBY DACH. Why did we acquire Dach. 'Cause the kid didn't cost a lot and was 21. It OBVIOUSLY had nothing to do with Suzuki...geez...
 
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2 f***ing times we've gave up top end prospects for guys that were going anyway. Sergachev for Drouin. And McDonagh for Gomez.

How about we stop that f***ing stupidity....
 

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People have such a hard time understanding..it,s insane. Where in there do I say that I don't want him? I want Dubois. IF they belief is that he'll sign here, why in the world would we empty the prospect pool to add him? We f***ing gave up on Sergachev to get Drouin. We've been emptying one spot to fill others.

And in response to this exactly..the poster talked about KIRBY DACH. Why did we acquire Dach. 'Cause the kid didn't cost a lot and was 21. It OBVIOUSLY had nothing to do with Suzuki...geez...
Giving one of Mesar/Beck or the Florida pick is not emptying the tank....geez.

You talk like Dubois is 10 years older than Dach. They are in the same age group, 22-24yo. If you can have a player like Dubois (Suzuki lvl and only one year older) at a discount and sign him 8 years, you pulled the trigger. There's a reason Hughes had conversation with Chevy this year. He clearly wants to bring Dubois to the group before he hits free agency.
 

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2 f***ing times we've gave up top end prospects for guys that were going anyway. Sergachev for Drouin. And McDonagh for Gomez.

How about we stop that f***ing stupidity....
Gomez was 30yo when we acquired him. Drouin and Dubois are so not the same kind of player.
 

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Our rebuild has to be timely and proactive. We need to consider the context of our young players and capitalize on opportunities that present themselves. If you're willing to sacrifice prime years of young top line players like Suzuki and Caufield for a <5% chance per year at an elite talent... I guess go for it. But the point is to build a winning team, not gamble years of good hockey away dreaming of a single player that may or may not ever arrive or change the fortunes of the club when they get here. Slafkovsky, Kotkaniemi, Galchenyuk, Drouin, Dach, etc. are all top-3 picks but just aren't good enough to turn the team around or build around.

What do you do when the window closes on Suzuki/Caufield/Dach/Slafkovsky/Guhle/etc. after rolling the dice on top-5 picks? If winning the lottery happens, great. We still need to be building in the meantime. Investing vs. gambling IMO.
It's basically a varied approach to the promised land.

Keep trying to acquire more first round picks by moving players that aren't pencilled in with your future core once you have returned to being a Cup contender.

Select a player at the draft with your own pick as long as it is the best you have in the first round and use the other pick(s) acquired to to trade for a young NHLer that fits your needs and your team culture.

Last year was a blueprint to how MON wants to rebuild.

They used their own pick to select Slafkovsky and used the mid first round pick they acquired in return for Romanov to trade for Dach. Then, they used their third 1st round pick to select Mesar.

Hughes was seeking to acquire a third first round pick again this season to do pretty much what he had done at the last draft; pick with his own pick, make a trade for a young NHLer with a mid first round pick (FLA's), probably Dubois and use his third first rounder to select another player at the draft. Unfortunately, the injury bug hit and the players he had as trade bait for a third first round pick were out of play.

Still, nothing prevents Hughes from selecting a player with MON's own first round pick, packaging FLA's 1t round pick for a young NHLer (Dubois or a top-4 RHD) and, maybe packaging a player like Dvorak and our second round pick for a late 1st round pick as our third first round pick and a late 2nd round pick to replace the one we packaged with Dvorak. We would, once more, select a player at the draft with that third 1st round pick.

wonder what Kent thinks about PLD????
They were seen fishing together last summer.
 

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Is he talking about PLD, Connor or shit filet? Or all 3 lol




According to Jets board, Connor, Wheeler & Shit filet, especially Shit filet. He's dogging it. Connor has always been crap defensively but he isn't scoring now, so he's hurting the team with the crappy D.

Wheeler has aged out. He's old, slow & gives the puck away, but is still getting 20 minutes a night. Ehlers is getting 10. They're losing it over there.

PLD isn't getting as much grief, but he's not scoring either. He's playing better than the other 3.
 

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Yeah that's a line I'm not willing to cross. Not nearly confident enough in this team to know we won't be a basement team next year.

The FLA pick just makes too much sense. It's a meeting halfway. Could also be the CGY 1st.

Yup. No way. Florida 1st only.

I don't trust this team that much to not give up a 1st OA.
 
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