Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[SlafySZN]

 

[waitin425]

The Jets have a tone of cap space + the 10% offseason cap. WTF is Dreger talking about.



Which is funny because the Winnipeg owner is giga rich

I feel like what Dreger is trying to say is the deal has been made between the Jets and LA. Now LA and Dubois are negotiating.

Brisson has probably leaked something to the effect of...."yes PLD will go to LA"

What he probably didn't leak was "the cost of doing so will be 9.5 mil per year.

LMAO. Watch PLD play silly bugger with LA now. This shit is not done until it is done.

 

[NobleSix]

I don't like this from either team's perspective.

 

[MarkJ]

let's all rip the Caufield/Dubois pics we had.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Move over Dreger. Move over Pagnotta. Renaud Lavoie has entered the room.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

With so many pieces wanting out in Winnipeg it just makes more sense to tear it down and start again. This is a move that makes them worse today and doesn't help the future.

They will be losing everybody, Helle is 30 entering on his decline. He will want out too, like Paul Maurice btw, and Paul Stashny. They have to rebuilt, Otherwise it's stupid.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Watch this finalized deal be them acquiring PLD.

 

[CHfan1]

If this trade to L.A. gets completed I don’t know how people can say that PLD used Montreal as leverage.

He seemed to want out of Winnipeg and wanted a long term contract. The Jets on the other hand wanted NHL players back, not futures.

Montreal didn’t have the assets to acquire him without giving up key core players so they never had a chance to sign him long term. It would have been different if PLD was an UFA. Yeah he could have waited another year and joined the Habs but that’s quite the risk when he can sign a guaranteed ~ $70 million contract now.

 

[le_sean]

Watch this finalized deal be them acquiring PLD.

My Bergevin PTSD makes me think it’ll be a trade for Marc Staal or Ryan Hartman

 

[Adam Michaels]

If this trade to L.A. gets completed I don’t know how people can say that PLD used Montreal as leverage.

He seemed to want out of Winnipeg and wanted a long term contract. The Jets on the other hand wanted NHL players back, not futures.

Montreal didn’t have the assets to acquire him without giving up key core players so they never had a chance to sign him long term. It would have been different if PLD was an UFA. Yeah he could have waited another year and joined the Habs but that’s quite the risk when he can sign a guaranteed ~ $70 million contract now.

I don't think it was PLD who was using Montreal. It was very likely Winnipeg using Montreal to possibly up LA's offer.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Our equivalent is probably Dach, Dvorak, and Heineman or something, so I'm glad we were out at that price. FWIW I actually don't think the "price" is a problem in terms of the raw value in a vacuum of the assets LA gave up, I would have been happy to give up the equivalent value in terms of futures, but if the Jets are going to insist on Dach being in the trade to be the Vilardi equivalent, that just doesn't make sense for us. Oh well, I'm disappointed it didn't work out but the entire time I've only been interested under the assumption we could get him at a reasonable price that made sense for us and that didn't end up being the case.

I do think it's silly that people have now decided that this was all a big scam the entire time and that his interest was all a negotiating tactic. We'll see what the contract ends up being but Dubois almost certainly left a lot of money on the table by taking this route instead of just taking Winnipeg to arbitration and then hitting UFA next year with the big cap increase. His priority was to get out of Winnipeg and play in a big market with some actual culture and off-ice amenities, and his preference was Montreal but the only way to guarantee that happening would have required him completely f***ing over Winnipeg and insisting he'd only extend with the Habs.

That's just not typically how hockey players tend to operate, and it's not like I can really fault the guy for saying he prefers Montreal but if we can't make a trade for him he's happy to accept 60+ million dollars to play in LA for 8 years.

IMO the entire reason to force the issue now is that Dubois did not want to wait another year for a long term contract and risk injury. He said as much. This was going to end in an 8 year deal somewhere (other than Winnipeg).

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Move over Dreger. Move over Pagnotta. Renaud Lavoie has entered the room.

Where are the Hasso gloves? Or it was Lasso cuz of Nashville today?
What was his name, I think I mixed the letters.
Anyway, as Renaud Lavoie says : Gloves is in the air.

 

[MarkJ]

I hate Pagnotta.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm not going to pretend I'm not disappointed. I'm glad we didn't pay the huge price for him but tbh I was still holding on to some hope he would force his way to MTL.

Ahh well. There will be other targets in the coming years.

I'm not afraid to admit it. I'm disappointed but that started when Dubois opened his list to 5 or 6 teams. Once Dubois was open to 8 years with other teams, we lost the leverage. Without leverage, we could not engage into this that deeply.

Lets see what the Kings sign him for. Very curious.

 

[waitin425]

 

[CHfan1]

I don't think it was PLD who was using Montreal. It was very likely Winnipeg using Montreal to possibly up LA's offer.

Agreed, they needed to have some leverage to get value for a player that clearly wanted to leave.

 

[sheed36]

Watch this finalized deal be them acquiring PLD.

This will be the rest of my HF day now.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I don't think it was PLD who was using Montreal. It was very likely Winnipeg using Montreal to possibly up LA's offer.

If LA upped their trade offer they all have caught MB disease. There was no competition from Montreal (and any idiot could see it) if the Jet stuck to having no interest in a futures package.

 

[JoelWarlord]

I don't think it was PLD who was using Montreal. It was very likely Winnipeg using Montreal to possibly up LA's offer.

Yep, his interest in Montreal was genuine, but it's just arrogant for us to pretend that a 25 y/o multi-millionaire is going to decline 60+ million dollars to play in Los Angeles and expect any player that "truly" wants to play in Montreal to absolutely INSIST on only signing there.

It is what it is, he wanted to get out of Winnipeg and get to one of a few choice cities and the Habs don't have the pieces to compete with the Kings to build a trade around NHL-ready talent, and that has nothing to do with Dubois. If the Jets decided to do a scorched earth rebuild and accept futures, I think the Habs get him for a package of Dubois + 31st pick + prospects and other picks, but they wanted roster players and once Vilardi was on the table our only counter was Dach which is a non-starter.

 

[xX SEYF Xx]

I don't like this from either team's perspective.

it's a steal from the jets, considering how stuck they were

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I'm not afraid to admit it. I'm disappointed but that started when Dubois opened his list to 5 or 6 teams. Once Dubois was open to 8 years with other teams, we lost he leverage. Without leverage, we could not engage into this that deeply.

Lets see what the Kings sign him for. Very curious.

I've heard Colorado and possibly Boston was on the case. Steph Waite said yesterday those gossips, where they can come from ? Who leak the information? certainly not Hugues and his close gard. And not Chevy. Maybe an agent, possible and hard to know.

 

[sampollock]

this thread is near RIP

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Yep, his interest in Montreal was genuine, but it's just arrogant for us to pretend that a 25 y/o multi-millionaire is going to decline 60+ million dollars to play in Los Angeles and expect any player that "truly" wants to play in Montreal to absolutely INSIST on only signing there.

It is what it is, he wanted to get out of Winnipeg and get to one of a few choice cities and the Habs don't have the pieces to compete with the Kings to build a trade around NHL-ready talent, and that has nothing to do with Dubois. If the Jets decided to do a scorched earth rebuild and accept futures, I think the Habs get him for a package of Dubois + 31st pick + prospects and other picks, but they wanted roster players and once Vilardi was on the table our only counter was Dach which is a non-starter.

He could easily have forced his way to Montreal if he wanted to by refusing to sing anywhere else or asking for 12 mil a year.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

this thread is near RIP

Please God close this thread, it's worse than living in an humid marsh, lol.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Continue on with the fun... What is the 8 year deal the Kings get him for? How much signing bonus structure will there be?

1) $7.5M to $8M range

2) $8M+ to $8.5M range

3) $8.5M+ to $9M range

4) $9M+