Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[McGees]

Let's do it Pierre!!!

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Missing Hossa!!

 

[Redux91]

Well, I'm glad he "circled back",
But just don't blow the wad lol..
Couldn't give a shit about Salary at this point, it's all about the pieces for me

 

[dinodebino]

Prove it

I vouch for him. I know of his source.

How about yours? You can PM me too if you need to.

 

[HuGo Sham]

this whole thing is so f***ing stupid. make it stop

 

[waitin425]

Well, I'm glad he "circled back",
But just don't blow the wad lol..
Couldn't give a shit about Salary at this point, it's all about the pieces for me

 

[sampollock]

it won't stop.... this the song that never ends.

 

[Kosseca]

I think the deal between WPG and LAK is set, it's just the terms between PLD and LAK. PLD's camp are pushing the news out so to get the Habs involved -- (1) to push LAK to sweeten the pot and (2) to have another offer on the table and see what they can get from his preferred destination (MTL).

I don't think we're going to get him.

Reports from Freedman and Lebrun indicate that the PLD team can not speak with LA yet...

I agree that there seems to be a "deal" on the table between LA and WIN, so why not letting them negotiate a new contract?

Someone said that the deal may be for another Jets player... that would make sense too.

 

[_habsfan9]

HEY ALL

I tuned to ECK's page LOL
habs are still in this,. thought we needed a laugh

I will contain my excitement until its atleast an E3...

 

[Kosseca]

It depends on what PLDs camp was asked to provide - a list of acceptable teams is “yeah here are 5-markets I’d be ok with” nowhere does that state I’m willing to sign a longterm deal, I’m ok going there for next year …

True, but as a GM I would make the request more specific to make sure I have full leverage in my discussions.... you get more from another team if you can tell that other GM that the player as put them on their list of long term signing.

 

[26Mats]

Why would you ever trade your best defenceman for a guy who will be your third or fourth best forward? Especially when you D is weaker than your F at the moment?

Age would be the number 1 factor. When we're ready to contend in 3 to 5 years, Matheson will be 32 to 34, Dubois will be 27 to 29.

But Winnipeg doesn't want LD's. So it would have to be a 3 way trade anyways.

 

[Habs Icing]

Bullshit...

Just Dubois and his agent using the Habs as leverage (AGAIN) against the Kings.

I said this the moment his agent told the press that he wanted to play for the Habs. Bullshit

 

[26Mats]

At least with all the PLD drama going on we'll have something to keep us entertained until Wednesday

The draft speculation was going round amd round in circles, with very little new information.

Replace Radulov with Sundin and add Hossa.

And Brendan Shanahan!

I don't think we can beat LAs package in terms of players ready to play now.

We'd have to trade a package of futures to a 3rd team with ready players and flip those to Winnipeg.

 

[ReHabs]

I said this the moment his agent told the press that he wanted to play for the Habs. Bullshit

I don't see how that works. The Habs organization is not the Habs fandom. As much as us fans are quarrelling or salivating at the notion of acquiring PLD, it doesn't change the fact that (1) the Habs DO have a need for the player (demand) and (2) the Habs would presumably have a set price and contract terms in mind, and (3) the Habs are not competing next year and aren't under the gun to compete.

Given the above, I don't see much leverage actually. This isn't before where we had to fight and claw for every UFA just to get turned at the last step -- if the Habs want to acquire PLD they'll have both trade value and contract terms in mind and won't break them. Why? Because we are NOT desperate for the final piece. We're still rebuilding (now: have entered the re-tooling phase, imo) and aren't under any pressure to acquire players to compete.

If Hughes acquires PLD it'll be on his terms. I just hope he isn't a miser like the last GM and squanders this opportunity over some irrelevant trade value -- we'll know when the trade is compeleted. If LAK acquires him we'll know if the Habs could've matched.

 

[Habaneros]

this whole thing is so f***ing stupid. make it stop

I'm n not a doctor, but it sounds like you could be suffering from PLD syndrome

What is PLD?

PLD is a psychiatric disorder that may occur in people who have witnessed a traumatic event such as a Pierre Luc Dubois trade rumour

 

[waitin425]

I don't see how that works. The Habs organization is not the Habs fandom. As much as us fans are quarrelling or salivating at the notion of acquiring PLD, it doesn't change the fact that (1) the Habs DO have a need for the player (demand) and (2) the Habs would presumably have a set price and contract terms in mind, and (3) the Habs are not competing next year and aren't under the gun to compete.

Given the above, I don't see much leverage actually. This isn't before where we had to fight and claw for every UFA just to get turned at the last step -- if the Habs want to acquire PLD they'll have both trade value and contract terms in mind and won't break them. Why? Because we are NOT desperate for the final piece. We're still rebuilding (now: have entered the re-tooling phase, imo) and aren't under any pressure to acquire players to compete.

If Hughes acquires PLD it'll be on his terms. I just hope he isn't a miser like the last GM and squanders this opportunity over some irrelevant trade value -- we'll know when the trade is compeleted. If LAK acquires him we'll know if the Habs could've matched.

And then we will argue incessantly over whether the Habs should've matched.

 

[bonneaug]

The most probable situation is:

- Winnipeg want this done before the draft. If any centerman falls they know Montreal are out and will wait until free agency

- They don’t wan’t LA to discuss contract until they themselves know Vilardi is willing to extend there. If the Vilardi camp knows the deal hinges on them, WPG loses negociating power. They are trying to secure everything long term and stop the exodus of talent out of their team

So until then, they will still entertain MTL and perhaps silent contenders, but news will still come out multiple times a day because there is two days left to get this done.

 

[Habs Icing]

Smoked Meat
Bagels
Poutine
Jordan Harris
2023 Florida 1st round pick

You forgot Lafleur fries

 

[HuGo Sham]

Reports from Freedman and Lebrun indicate that the PLD team can not speak with LA yet...

I agree that there seems to be a "deal" on the table between LA and WIN, so why not letting them negotiate a new contract?

Someone said that the deal may be for another Jets player... that would make sense too.

he'll just sign a 1 year deal, and they'll resign him next spring

I'm n not a doctor, but it sound like your could be suffering from PLD syndrome

What is PLD?

PLD is a psychiatric disorder that may occur in people who have witnessed a traumatic event such as a Pierre Luc Dubois trade rumour

lol thx for the diagnosis, but no, I have a life. I just find this whole f***ing thing beyond absurd

 

[Belial]

That gif should be banned! It's too perfect!

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I don't see how that works. The Habs organization is not the Habs fandom. As much as us fans are quarrelling or salivating at the notion of acquiring PLD, it doesn't change the fact that (1) the Habs DO have a need for the player (demand) and (2) the Habs would presumably have a set price and contract terms in mind, and (3) the Habs are not competing next year and aren't under the gun to compete.

Given the above, I don't see much leverage actually. This isn't before where we had to fight and claw for every UFA just to get turned at the last step -- if the Habs want to acquire PLD they'll have both trade value and contract terms in mind and won't break them. Why? Because we are NOT desperate for the final piece. We're still rebuilding (now: have entered the re-tooling phase, imo) and aren't under any pressure to acquire players to compete.

If Hughes acquires PLD it'll be on his terms. I just hope he isn't a miser like the last GM and squanders this opportunity over some irrelevant trade value -- we'll know when the trade is compeleted. If LAK acquires him we'll know if the Habs could've matched.

I agree with this except that we won't know if the Habs could have matched because we won't know what Chevaldayoff would consider equal value. If the trade includes an Iafallo AND a Vilardi we will know that there was no way HuGo was going to try to match that.

 

[Runner77]

That really sucks… how do you know for sure? Also, when will the deal be announced at large?

@Vachon23 found a portal in a Q arena that allows him to travel to the future.

For the more obscure info, he relies on the leaks from a smart bidet that @dinodebino will own in the future.

 

[sampollock]

mentioned here today, would be funny if LA was after Helly

 

[Habs Icing]

@Vachon23 found a portal in a Q arena that allows him to travel to the future.

For the more obscure info, he relies on the leaks from a smart bidet that @dinodebino will own in the future.

What puzzles me is how do you know all this? You stalking them?

 

[ReHabs]

I agree with this except that we won't know if the Habs could have matched because we won't know what Chevaldayoff would consider equal value. If it includes an Iafallo and a Vilardi we will knw that there was no way HuGo was going to try to match that.

We can always get a rough idea. For instance I think Bergevin was wrong not to acquire Ryan O'Reilly out of Buffalo when he had the opportunity -- Price and Weber weren't getting younger. We don't know the equivalent pieces but we know the need was there, but not the will.

In this case, Vilardi = Dach. If Vilardi is in the trade I can see why the Habs wouldn't do the deal with Dach in it. Iafello is less interesting, likely no more than a makeweight at this point. Cap is scarce and the Kings would be up against it if they signed PLD, they have many spots to fill.

I'd rather do [Dvorak + [CGY 1st]] in place of Vilardi and [[Heineman/Ylonen/etc] + Hoffman] in place of Iafello. I dunno how that shakes out. I have no idea what's in the discussions between them.

 

[LaP]

We can always get a rough idea. For instance I think Bergevin was wrong not to acquire Ryan O'Reilly out of Buffalo when he had the opportunity -- Price and Weber weren't getting younger. We don't know the equivalent pieces but we know the need was there, but not the will.

In this case, Vilardi = Dach. If Vilardi is in the trade I can see why the Habs wouldn't do the deal with Dach in it. Iafello is less interesting, likely no more than a makeweight at this point. Cap is scarce and the Kings would be up against it if they signed PLD, they have many spots to fill.

I'd rather do [Dvorak + [CGY 1st]] in place of Vilardi and [[Heineman/Ylonen/etc] + Hoffman] in place of Iafello. I dunno how that shakes out. I have no idea what's in the discussions between them.

Lafallo will be 30 next season. He's a decent 3rd line player but his value is probably a (end of) 2nd round pick and a 3rd round pick something like that. So if this is the LA Kings offer then yeah Dach and picks (not first round) would do it specially since Winnipeg would probably rather trade him in the east. PLD situation is similar to Patch and the return should be around the same i.e a kid with potential to be a first line player (real potential not hope) and a 2nd round pick.

We will be able to close this thread in a few days hopefully