Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[ReHabs]

I’ve been on this site a long time and this has been the case a few times, ultimately never amounting to anything. Prospects are overrated. The simple fact that you don’t feel like including Xhekaj, Heineman, Roy, Engstrom and Farrell, along with a 1st is proof of that. Xhekaj is vastly overrated since he’s the teams first good enforcer since who knows. The others are just nothing players that most teams have in their pool already.

The only non-NHL Habs prospect that should be “untouchable” (the term is pointless since that mere fact is impossible) is Hutson. He’s the only one that shows special potential.

It only reinforces the brittleness our supposedly good prospect pool if these bland prospects are considered untradeable. As if Sean Farrell + a late 1st round pick is too much to pay for a 60pt 6'4" 24 year old player!!

The whole saga is a joke but it has less to do with PLD and to do with how worthless and unimpressive our prospect pool is in reality. If we can't shift a few of these mopes out quantity for quality, then what the hell is the point of collecting them?

 

[FrankMTL]

So I'm assuming PLD wants to play in Montreal to be closer to his friends and family....It's certainly not for the great weather. If he signs an extension in LA, he would pretty much be as far as he can possibly get from Montreal out of all NHL teams.

 

[waitin425]

I Hope everyone here is smart enough to recognize this is a typical Bergevin move
Trying to give up way to much to acquire a player he believes is a super star.
Although PLD won’t sign an extension with LA
He still has to meet with them since Brisson and Bergevin set this up.
Hughes and Gorton are NOT going to do the bargain bin method.
They have set an offer they find fair for a 60-70 point player they that and won’t give up prospects for him.
The rumours of Dach for him are laughable!!
Dach will be twice the player PLD will be.
I was certain the Habs we’re getting PLD but had forgotten that Bergevin is now making decisions some where else

You know you could be right.

I would never post this in the main thread for fear of absolute roasting.

But let's say, LA and Winnipeg work on a deal. They come up with the deal involving Villardi and Iafallo under the condition that LA can sign PLD. Winnipeg says, okay...work that deal out with PLD, then come back to us....we sign him for that deal and the trade trigger gets pulled. A la sign and trade.

PLD flies down to LA. Negotiation time. LA says we want you and makes their pitch. 9 mil per year. 8 year contract. PLD really...really wants the Habs. Says to LA....make it 10 and done. LA has a huge decision to make.

PLD is in a huge position of power here. His power position is next years UFA status and his desire to play for the Habs.

He can bend LA over if he chooses. The risk to him, is if he exercises this power and holds out for some ridiculous number like 10 mil, then he will forfeit that power to the Habs if LA walks away.

The Habs at that point will be in the drivers seat. Especially if the LA deal falls through.

This is not over until we see a confirmed trade link.

 

[Vachon23]

The number of ridiculous take in that thread is ..


I hope we keep this thread alive so we can review it in 2-3 years

 

[Adam Michaels]

The number of ridiculous take in that thread is ..


I hope we keep this thread alive so we can review it in 2-3 years

Keep it for posterity.

 

[Richiebottles]

From Lebrun’s Athletic Article

It sure feels like the Kings are front-runners on Pierre-Luc Dubois, but as of Sunday evening, there was still lots of work to be done on that front. It didn’t help that both front offices were traveling Sunday to Nashville, putting some conversations on hold.

The Habs have tried here, for sure, but it sounds like they’re simply not as good a trade fit for a Jets team that doesn’t want to rebuild. The Kings can provide players who can step into the Jets lineup right away.

Again, there’s still work to be done here. Not to mention the fact that even after both teams put the trade parameters together, the Kings will want to know they can sign Dubois, who is a restricted free agent. Those contract conversations haven’t happened yet, either. The Jets and Kings would both need to feel comfortable a trade was in the final stages before the Kings got to that conversation with the Jets’ blessing.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I’ve been on this site a long time and this has been the case a few times, ultimately never amounting to anything. Prospects are overrated. The simple fact that you don’t feel like including Xhekaj, Heineman, Roy, Engstrom and Farrell, along with a 1st is proof of that. Xhekaj is vastly overrated since he’s the teams first good enforcer since who knows. The others are just nothing players that most teams have in their pool already.

The only non-NHL Habs prospect that should be “untouchable” (the term is pointless since that mere fact is impossible) is Hutson. He’s the only one that shows special potential.

Farrell was 2nd in the NCAA behind Fantilli in scoring.

Roy is a proven offensive force.

Xhekaj has offensive tools, not just fists.

Heineman seems to have both scoring ability and skating ability.

Engstrom is an absolute gem.

I'm not saying never to move a youngster. I'm ready to do so with Beck, Kidney, Mesar, Harris and Struble because I feel I already know enough to not believe they will be core players down the road.

This is my criteria, and I'll stick to it, but evaluation is a separate matter. Others might think Beck and Kidney have great potential and Heineman and Xhekaj do not. Then if I were in their shoes, I would be wiling to move one of those guys plus the 31st pick plus a non-core roster player such as Dvorak, Evans, RHP, Pezzetta.

I also forgot to add Ylonen onto the list of prospects I donMt think we need to prioritize.

 

[Hannibal]

From Lebrun’s Athletic Article

It sure feels like the Kings are front-runners on Pierre-Luc Dubois, but as of Sunday evening, there was still lots of work to be done on that front. It didn’t help that both front offices were traveling Sunday to Nashville, putting some conversations on hold.

The Habs have tried here, for sure, but it sounds like they’re simply not as good a trade fit for a Jets team that doesn’t want to rebuild. The Kings can provide players who can step into the Jets lineup right away.

Again, there’s still work to be done here. Not to mention the fact that even after both teams put the trade parameters together, the Kings will want to know they can sign Dubois, who is a restricted free agent. Those contract conversations haven’t happened yet, either. The Jets and Kings would both need to feel comfortable a trade was in the final stages before the Kings got to that conversation with the Jets’ blessing.

Jets a f***ing nuts to not want a rebuil want all their core wanta out lol. Stupid organisation.

 

[Adam Michaels]

From Lebrun’s Athletic Article

It sure feels like the Kings are front-runners on Pierre-Luc Dubois, but as of Sunday evening, there was still lots of work to be done on that front. It didn’t help that both front offices were traveling Sunday to Nashville, putting some conversations on hold.

The Habs have tried here, for sure, but it sounds like they’re simply not as good a trade fit for a Jets team that doesn’t want to rebuild. The Kings can provide players who can step into the Jets lineup right away.

Again, there’s still work to be done here. Not to mention the fact that even after both teams put the trade parameters together, the Kings will want to know they can sign Dubois, who is a restricted free agent. Those contract conversations haven’t happened yet, either. The Jets and Kings would both need to feel comfortable a trade was in the final stages before the Kings got to that conversation with the Jets’ blessing.

Just imagine PLD wanting to sign for 1 year in LA.

 

[JustAHabFan]

poor guy he will need someone to do his grocery for him .
Using ur childhood team to make a bidding on an overpriced player whos known to act like a lil girl when things arent going for him.

He's not worth what L.A is giving for
He's not worth above 7.5m a season
Also L.A will be even worse with that trade than they are at this moment.

Also Fans can boo him all they want , Dubois is just another money looking shark that is just using us for his own good.

He can go smoke that L.A Smog for all I care

Our smog is more terrible at this moment.

 

[vokiel]

Reeks of offer sheet scenario, which is why LA went after Montreal's second rounder?

They can still do one with only 1st & 3rd?

 

[Adam Michaels]

Reeks of offer sheet scenario, which is why LA went after Montreal's second rounder?

They can still do one with only 1st & 3rd?

The picks you give up in an offer sheet are your own. You can't use another team's picks.

And any offer sheet would involve the 2024 picks. And LA doesn't have a 3rd next year. In fact they don't have a 2nd next year either. The 2nd they have next year is the one they got from Arizona via Montreal.

 

[vokiel]

The picks you give up in an offer sheet are your own. You can't use another team's picks.

And any offer sheet would involve the 2024 picks. And LA doesn't have a 3rd next year.

I'm saying Montreal has a 1st & 3rd. Our second just got bought for Durzi. Preventing an offer sheet higher than 6.4 mil... That would be for 1 year.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Ok, all we have to do is just wait 3-4 days to see exactly what PLD will do. Right now it's ALL RUMORS. If he goes ? where he goes? for what he goes? for 1 year or for 7 years?.Is he a man of his word or is he just a lier to the habs, to suzuki and caufield for pictures, A lier to hab fans. so Just wait to see the truth of PLD. Yes he has a right to do what he wants so lets see truth of the man before any knocks.

If Winnipeg trades Dubois to LA, and LA offers him a lot of money, he would be a LIAR to sign an extension?

This sounds both delusional and abusive.

Delusional because Dubois never made any promise to the Habs or their fans. NEVER.

Abusive because you expect to control this individual for your own entertainment.

Of course, you know you can't, but you are announcing that you will attack his character for - let's tell the truth - disappointing you.

This type of abusive behaviour is far worse than the sins some of Dubois' denigrators accuse him of.

Next thing you know, Jack Hughes will be alleged to have promised Habs fans he will come here to play with Caufield, just because there was this picture......

No, I take it back. No one will claim Hughes made any promises to Hab fans because he is not a petit gars de chez nous. The locals here do not claim to own him.

Well, guess what, even petit gars de chez nous are human beings with a right to their own life and freedom. Would you believe it, even local guys from around here, too. Busybodies take note.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I'm saying Montreal has a 1st & 3rd. Our second just got bought for Durzi. Preventing an offer sheet higher than 6.4 mil... That would be for 1 year.

Ah. I thought you meant LA would offer sheet him. My bad.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

The picks you give up in an offer sheet are your own. You can't use another team's picks.

And any offer sheet would involve the 2024 picks. And LA doesn't have a 3rd next year. In fact they don't have a 2nd next year either. The 2nd they have next year is the one they got from Arizona via Montreal.

I think he meant can the Habs still do an offer involving a 1st and 3rd.

They can, but you can't put protection on that 1st, so that's risky and I doubt Hughes and Co will do it.

 

[salbutera]

I Hope everyone here is smart enough to recognize this is a typical Bergevin move
Trying to give up way to much to acquire a player he believes is a super star.
Although PLD won’t sign an extension with LA
He still has to meet with them since Brisson and Bergevin set this up.
Hughes and Gorton are NOT going to do the bargain bin method.
They have set an offer they find fair for a 60-70 point player they that and won’t give up prospects for him.
The rumours of Dach for him are laughable!!
Dach will be twice the player PLD will be.
I was certain the Habs we’re getting PLD but had forgotten that Bergevin is now making decisions some where else

First off no deal has been announced, and one of Friedman, LeBrun, Seravalli or Chris Johnson always are the first to break major trades… and not a single word out of any of them into late last night

More importantly, MBs an advisor not GM, AGM, President of hockey ops… he’s a paid consultant to the LAK

 

[Adam Michaels]

I think he meant can the Habs still do an offer involving a 1st and 3rd.

They can, but you can't put protection on that 1st, so that's risky and I doubt Hughes and Co will do it.

Yea, I misunderstood. He pointed it out to me and I walked away feeling shame and embarrassment.

 

[Belial]

Just imagine PLD wanting to sign for 1 year in LA.

If they're working on a deal then he probably put LA as a long-term contract destination on his list of teams...

 

[ReHabs]

Jets a f***ing nuts to not want a rebuil want all their core wanta out lol. Stupid organisation.

It's not that they are unwilling to commit to a rebuild but as an organization it puts them in big risk. WPG is a not a strong market and if they turn fans off they could see income crash down and actually tangibly put their organization at risk of folding.

 

[Adam Michaels]

If they're working on a deal then he probably put LA as a long-term contract destination on his list of teams...

I was joking.

While Murat Ates (Jet's beat writer) tweeted yesterday thet LA and PLD were talking contract, LeBrun and a few others have said that they haven't had talks on a contract because Jets haven't given permission (yet). I imagine they will.

 

[Hannibal]

It's not that they are unwilling to commit to a rebuild but as an organization it puts them in big risk. WPG is a not a strong market and if they turn fans off they could see income crash down and actually tangibly put their organization at risk of folding.

Prepare for years of mediocrity.

 

[Belial]

I was joking.

While Murat Ates (Jet's beat writer) tweeted yesterday thet LA and PLD were talking contract, LeBrun and a few others have said that they haven't had talks on a contract because Jets haven't given permission (yet). I imagine they will.

I have no idea why you would work on a trade before knowing if the player and the team will get a deal done...

This is like Pacioretty to the Kings and he then nixed the whole trade...

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

For the salary I wrote Dvorak. So that the Jets can at least fill the center spot that they would have lost. And we don't have to take Reinbacher, we have plenty of D prospects.

I know that the Jets GM want to be competitive still but let's face it by losing Dubois, Sheiffle and Wheeler, it's more likely they are going towards a rebuild whether Dayoff wants it or not. They are never gonna have equal value.

Re read my comment. I said if Habs are giving up on Hutson and Barron, they probably think they can replace them and that they're disposable. Habs have Mailloux on RD in that case and that's it. That's be the biggest need on the team. If those two were included instead of a forward prospect, I simply said they're probably then targeting a D to replace the loss of two D prospects

 

[Milhouse40]

I have no idea why you would work on a trade before knowing if the player and the team will get a deal done...

This is like Pacioretty to the Kings and he then nixed the whole trade...

The opposite is also true......I have no idea why you would work on a contract before knowing a trade is possible.