Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Schooner Guy]

At some point we have to make a bold trade though. More than just Dach. Too many times we’ve overrated our own prospect system and it amounted to nothing. What’s the point of having 10 young players that all project to be middle 6 wingers?

Patience. We're in rebuild.

 

[dinodebino]

Well, according to the Jets beat reporter Ates, they are working at the extension as I write this. Done deal.

 

[Rapala]

That money could never be on the table again, so many things can happen like a massive injuries. It’s the time for him to cash in

Someone use Vanek as exemple but in fact it’s a pretty good exemple why PLD wants to sign that massive contract now. Vanek refuse a 7 years 50m contact and he end up with a 3 years 19.5m. Imagine how much money he lost with that move

Absolutely this is his career earnings defining contract. One of the reasons it was always going to be a hard sell here once we factor in the cost in assets.

 

[Runner77]

Not sure. I’ll wait to see the final deal to think about what’s equivalent. I think Iafallo=Anderson but Vilardi=Dach? Anderson, no issue giving him up. But I was never good with giving up Dach. The thing is the Kings have an abundance of good centres, which the Habs don’t have. It’s much easier to give up Vilardi if you have Byfield.

Some Twitter users made the same parallel:

 

[Sterling Archer]

That money could never be on the table again, so many things can happen like a massive injuries. It’s the time for him to cash in

Someone use Vanek as exemple but in fact it’s a pretty good exemple why PLD wants to sign that massive contract now. Vanek refuse a 7 years 50m contact and he end up with a 3 years 19.5m. Imagine how much money he lost with that move

All PLD has to do is say no to LA and tell Jets to move him to Montreal or he won’t sign an extension with anyone but the Habs and he can get that deal in Montreal.

 

[Captain97]

Even with no PLD are future top 6 has good potential so it is what it is.

Slaf - Suzuki - CC
Roy/Heineman - Dach - Michkov/Leonard/Smith

And if none of our current prospects work out as a top 6 winger LW is the easiest position to acquire in hockey.

 

[le_sean]

Patience. We're in rebuild.

That just means these prospects tend to have less value. Ylonen is a perfect example. Seems to happen a lot. Collberg is an example of inflated value that crashed shortly after and we were fortunate enough to land Vanek for him.

 

[SnapVirus]

can we close this thread now? Discussing a trade between two other teams should be in the Out of town thread now ;-)

 

[le_sean]

Even with no PLD are future top 6 has good potential so it is what it is.

Slaf - Suzuki - CC
Roy/Heineman - Dach - Michkov/Leonard/Smith

And if none of our current prospects work out as a top 6 winger LW is the easiest position to acquire in hockey.

It’s not good though. Heineman/Roy are nothing and you need better centres.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

What??

Marek saying he didn't even want to list a number 2 team because Montreal was so far ahead.

Friedman saying 95% chance he ends up in MTL. "Montreal is the clear favourite".

Basically every single insider saying Montreal was 1st on his list.

I have no clue if that's true or not but don't do the rewriting history thing to make it sound like people just made it up.

Only coming to MTL? Yeah that was never said, but having MTL 1st? There was plenty of evidence.

You are making the exact conflation that I outlined. There was never a single quote from Dubois that Montreal was his top choice yet you are taking speculation and offering it as fact because you are hearing the same story from multiple sources....the problem is they are only hearing it from each other.. We need to stop calling media and internet personalities insiders because they are not. At best a select few are pawns who are often fed nonsense and the rest are sheep/parrots who fall in line and regurgitate it.

As a society we need to be better at vetting information as this inefficiency has been the bane of humanity from the beginning of our existence.

 

[The Nightman]

I have no info that Dubois was doing that nor did I argue it. I think people read a lot into Friedman’s comments and some bought heavily and overextrapolated.

As I and others have mentioned in this thread, Dubois never took a vow of exclusivity with Montreal.

According to Arpon in an article he wrote for the Athletic last week. Montreal was originally Dubois desired destination and then he decided to “open it up” to 5-6 teams because he wanted to “do right” by the Jets.

What’s important to note here is that Dubois, according to a source close to him, wants to do right by Winnipeg to some extent. This is why he provided a group of five or six teams as opposed to insisting Winnipeg deal only with Montreal, his original desired destination. That, as the source described it, was a decision Dubois made with his heart, but once his head got involved, he opened his mind to other possibilities that would meet his criteria for furthering his career in a long-term deal with a new team.

In no particular order, that list of criteria includes having an opportunity to win, liking the city he will live in for the next eight years, and being paid what he feels he is worth.

Why the criteria for a Pierre-Luc Dubois trade makes it unlikely he lands in Montreal

When breaking down what the Winnipeg Jets and Pierre-Luc Dubois would need to complete a trade, it is hard to see the Canadiens landing him.

theathletic.com

So it does kinda sound like at first it was just Montreal. Whether this was actually an official request to the Jets I don’t know. But he seemed to have changed his mind at some point according to Basu’s source.

 

[Boris Le Tigre]

Dodged that bullet

 

[larek]

What ever happens I won't be bothered if Habs don't get Dubois!
And no we don't need Drouin even as the stick boy

 

[Kimota]

It's gonna hurt seeing Dubois and Danault at the LA center core.

But It's better this way, folks. We stay the course on the rebuild. I like that Hughes did not act reckless and panic. The temptation was great but we should not be stupid. After the trade, the Habs are gonna have all their promising young prospects still with them. The future looks bright.

 

[sheed36]

After all this PLD to Habs drama of the past year is finally over with and once the trade to LA is completed and the extension signed a angry mob of Hab fans will find PLD and throw him out of Montreal.

 

[Canadienna]

You are making the exact conflation that I outlined. There was never a single quote from Dubois that Montreal was his top choice yet you are taking speculation and offering it as fact because you are hearing the same story from multiple sources....the problem is they are only hearing it from each other.. We need to stop calling media and internet personalities insiders because they are not. At best a select few are pawns who are often fed nonsense and the rest are sheep/parrots who fall in line and regurgitate it.

I'm not offering it as fact. I literally said it may or may not be true.

If you're waiting for a world where we only discuss things that players themselves say go ahead.

I agree some people took PLD to the Habs as a slam dunk, I did not.

I think this critique that Habs fans shouldn't pay attention to the kind of rumours we were hearing is asinine personally.

You said there was no evidence he had MTL first on his list. If the only evidence you will accept is the player literally saying this, then sure, but I'm gonna stay over here in reality.

 

[dinodebino]

Dubois in LA is a weird fit, city wise. Dubois seems quiet too. Mmmmm… not sure.

Personally, having visited the city for a 4th last month, I wouldn’t play there; I would have in 2016, last time I was there. Man, the hobos erecting tents on the sidewalks everywhere from Hollywood to downtown (except Bev Hills of course) is a sight to be seen. Beaches are full of them too now. People complaining about them in Mtl or Taranna have not been to LA lately. Yarke. Would be out of my list for sure.

 

[Runner77]

This has got to be the most Peg thing to say about an incoming asset in the Dubois pending trade call:

Isn't Villardi a Kingston lad? He'll be weather-hardened. And be familiar with ice-fishing, prisons, lake culture and so forth.

Get him out to Cabela's and down to the Kenora Ye Olde Chippe Trucke and watch him rip the pen out of Chevver's paw to sign 5 x 4.5

Just how rugged is the Peg?

“Weather-hardened” is apparently an attribute in their player evaluation grid.

Prisons? WTF.

Has the player ever shot a deer from his living room “winda”? (probably also a points grid criteria).

Kenora Ye Olde Chippe Trucke? Is that run by a toothless farmer who keeps reporting UFO sightings?

And of course, their GM “Chevver”, fits into that wild landscape, signing deals with a paw.

 

[donghabs98]

Getting Dubois only made sense if it was on a good deal for Montreal. We have Suzuki and Dach at center anyways so no need to overpay. The only way Dubois came here was if he was set on it and would only sign here (thereby handicapping the Jets). If he wasnt doing that then Montreal would have to compete with teams who could pay more which doesnt make sense for us since we don't need Dubois.

 

[EveryDay]

Vilardi is going to get the f*** out of the Peg as soon as next year....

 

[Schooner Guy]

In 2-3 years he'll want out of LA and we'll get him as a cap dump with retention just as we're ready to contend.

 

[Rapala]

According to Arpon in an article he wrote for the Athletic last week. Montreal was originally Dubois desired destination and then he decided to “open it up” to 5-6 teams because he wanted to “do right” by the Jets.

Why the criteria for a Pierre-Luc Dubois trade makes it unlikely he lands in Montreal

When breaking down what the Winnipeg Jets and Pierre-Luc Dubois would need to complete a trade, it is hard to see the Canadiens landing him.

theathletic.com

So it does kinda sound like at first it was just Montreal. Whether this was actually an official request to the Jets I don’t know. But he seemed to have changed his mind at some point according to Basu’s source.

It's also possible and even probable that his agent took him in hand and explained why he wasn't going to get more than Suzuki money here. Easy to spin it like wanting to be fair to the Jets at that point.

 

[Kimota]

I just wished he would have pulled a Patrick Kane and said to the Jets "only in Montreal".

Anyway who knows, maybe Dubois will be available in two years when it doesn't work out with LA. lol

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

If this is true - enjoy this song all of you celebrating this joyous fantastic news!!

 

[Kimota]

Dubois in LA is a weird fit, city wise. Dubois seems quiet too. Mmmmm… not sure.

Personally, having visited the city for a 4th last month, I wouldn’t play there; I would have in 2016, last time I was there. Man, the hobos erecting tents on the sidewalks everywhere from Hollywood to downtown (except Bev Hills of course) is a sight to be seen. Beaches are full of them too now. People complaining about them in Mtl or Taranna have not been to LA lately. Yarke. Would be out of my list for sure.

Yea Calfornia as a whole has taken an epic fall. It's dirty as Hell and not very safe. You can thank Newsom for that.