Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Runner77]

It's not a regular trade. PLD value's is far better than those two, it's just that PLD's contract is one year. Winpg have small pourcentage of the value the player have. Or the extra winpg are trying to get is to talk to him first and sign him whatever the negociations.

So you’re speculating that a prospective deal with LA would not be a sign and trade? We’re all spitballing here anyway.

True. HuGo has vey few assets they would want to move so they aren't going to able to add much in the way of NHL ready players. Not likely adding and FA's either. Dubois is the only possible addition but he would have to come realtively cheaply. They might have looked at Monahan because Dubois might not come cheaply enough. They could also keep Drouin.

Drouin? God no, we waited 6 years to get rid of him.

If Hughes brought him back, it would be a massive troll job.

 

[The Nightman]

Renaud Lavoie, the other name pundit on the Dubois saga, also tweeted about it and earlier than Loaf Pagnotta but preceded his comment with “it appears.”

Pretty much lol. I’m sure he has made a couple connections by now like the swarmy charlatan that he is. But he’s made a living through piggy backing off of ‘actual’ insiders tweets and regurgitation their info as if it’s coming from someone in the know telling him.

In this case, Dubois to the Kings feels like the most likely scenario. So he’s tweeting the obvious so that he can take some credit. If/when it happens.

Villardi is an RFA and fits what the Jets are looking for. Quality young player to remain competitive.

The Kings also need to clear cap to make it possible. Who else other than Iafallo could they trade to make it happen?

He’s not breaking any news and like you said probably just jumping on the info Renaud tweeted, who he himself isn’t even very reliable.

 

[le_sean]

Kind of shitty if it’s true. Always the f***ing bridesmaid. 24 Cups, always spend to the cap, wonderful city for both single people and families, means nothing.

 

[Runner77]

Villardi is an RFA and fits what the Jets are looking for. Quality young player to remain competitive.

Actually, if the Peg can just land quality young players to remain as opposed to quality young players to remain competitive, it would already be a big win.

 

[Whitesnake]

Were people really thinking we'd get him? Young people I hope 'cause most older people like me know when the Habs are being used...and that was clearly another episode of it....

 

[The Nightman]

Actually, if the Peg can just land quality young players to remain as opposed to quality young players to remain competitive, it would already be a big win.

True lol. Like to think they’d want to know before completing any deal that RFA Villardi is willing to commit to Winnipeg. Then again, maybe not because everyone and their mother could’ve predicted PLD wasn’t going to want to stay in WPG long term, and yet that didn’t stop them from making that Laine trade in the first place.

That Jet insider with a tweet:

 

[Vachon23]

He never fit our rebuild and would've ruined our cap structure for no reason. Great move to pass. Now follow it up with a solid draft (*cough* Michkov *cough*)

He’s in the same age of our core player and 8.5m in 2 years will be like 6,5m this year. It would have been a great move

Draisaitl will al out certain go to ufa unless traded to a team he wants to go.

That said and it's unlikely he comes here, but Matthews is a ufa.

There's also Lindholm, Aho.

I know people won't like it but Schiefele would be a ufa, but on the older side.

Elias Petterson is rfa, but if he doesn't want to re-sign and the Habs can take a step forward,might be able to pay assets and get him.

Nylander is soft as f***, but he's ufa.

There's a bunch of decent middle 6 forwards at this point who are ufa.

Habs need to draft smart and if the rumours are true make a good, smart trade to bring in another solid player for the core.

PLD would be nice, but he's not that upper echelon player the Habs need to add.

And most of those guys won’t come here. When was the last time a player of that caliber wanted to play here ?

 

[le_sean]

Hopefully PLD demands $10m+ per year and Kings turn away. What a letdown

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Exactly yes.

Band aid of two months?

 

[MrNasty]

True lol. Like to think they’d want to know before completing any deal that RFA Villardi is willing to commit to Winnipeg. Then again, maybe not because everyone and their mother could’ve predicted PLD wasn’t going to want to stay in WPG long term, and yet that didn’t stop them from making that Laine trade in the first place.

That Jet insider with a tweet:

This royally blows. Hoping it falls through.
Opportunities like this one don't come around often.

 

[WeThreeKings]

As soon as he gave a list of 5 teams, I knew we wouldn't pay the demand and that's the right choice.

Enjoy LA, PLD.

 

[dinodebino]

Band aid of two months?

Two months?

 

[Vachon23]

Bottom line is if PLD wanted to come to Montreal he could. He doesn’t have to sign an extension and could walk in next year and sign long term.

If he goes to LA, which looks highly likely, it’s not because Habs didn’t offer enough, it’s because PLD chose to go. Habs aren’t going to match Vilardi and Iafallo value and if they did, they’d be much less competitive in the future.

That money could never be on the table again, so many things can happen like a massive injuries. It’s the time for him to cash in

Someone use Vanek as exemple but in fact it’s a pretty good exemple why PLD wants to sign that massive contract now. Vanek refuse a 7 years 50m contact and he end up with a 3 years 19.5m. Imagine how much money he lost with that move

 

[le_sean]

At some point we have to make a bold trade though. More than just Dach. Too many times we’ve overrated our own prospect system and it amounted to nothing. What’s the point of having 10 young players that all project to be middle 6 wingers?

 

[Rapala]

BTW, I don’t expect Mtl to play the big traders. I don’t see us give much. Essentially, I am of the opinion (just my opinion) the Monahan signing was a sign that HuGo scoured the market and couldn’t swing another deal for a Dach-like deal. He still has the same centre line as last year.

I agree I was scouring rosters a few month ago looking for possibilities and there were very very few, The Dach situation was unique teams don't usually offer up those types of assets dirt cheap.

 

[Runner77]

True lol. Like to think they’d want to know before completing any deal that RFA Villardi is willing to commit to Winnipeg. Then again, maybe not because everyone and their mother could’ve predicted PLD wasn’t going to want to stay in WPG long term, and yet that didn’t stop them from making that Laine trade in the first place.

That Jet insider with a tweet:

I was about to post the Ates tweet.

I guess we can now safely say that wheels are in motion, it’s no longer Loaf’s rectum expelling material.

Also ends the speculation that it won’t be a sign and trade.

 

[Vachon23]

Dubois was only interested in forcing his way out of the Peg. Montreal was a possible destination but nothing more. As has been noted in this thread, Dubois never made any commitment of exclusivity to any destination.

Friedman stoked the fires with his 95% teaser and I suspect too many fans fell for his hyperbole.

More importantly, have they reached him yet for his sign and trade or is he too busy partying with Habs players in Montreal?

MTL was the #1 team on his list and there is where he wanted to play but he did like LA too. One team was ready to pay to get him and the other not, it’s nothing to do with PLD using MTL as leverage

 

[Runner77]

Two months?

Walking Boot II — the sequel following the scapegoat trainers’ exit.

 

[hvac412]

If it's indeed Iafallo +Vilardi more the power to them, , probably means they wanted Dach + in the deal which I wouldn't do.As far as the salary goes if he signs for 8x8 it's about a little under 2 million dollars less in taxes in LA, anything more than 8.5 is a hard pass for me.

 

[CHfan1]

At some point we have to make a bold trade though. More than just Dach. Too many times we’ve overrated our own prospect system and it amounted to nothing. What’s the point of having 10 young players that all project to be middle 6 wingers?

Who would you give up for PLD that is equivalent to Vilardi and Iafallo?

I also think Habs fans overrate the prospect system as well and it couldn’t get done with a prospect as the main piece.

 

[Canadienna]

It is a good example of media and fans blowing comments out of proportion and driving hyperbolic narratives. All that was ever known was that he would like to play for the Habs but there was never any evidence that he was actively trying to force his way to Montreal or even that Montreal was his first choice.

What??

Marek saying he didn't even want to list a number 2 team because Montreal was so far ahead.

Friedman saying 95% chance he ends up in MTL. "Montreal is the clear favourite".

Basically every single insider saying Montreal was 1st on his list.

I have no clue if that's true or not but don't do the rewriting history thing to make it sound like people just made it up.

Only coming to MTL? Yeah that was never said, but having MTL 1st? There was plenty of evidence.

 

[Runner77]

MTL was the #1 team on his list and there is where he wanted to play but he did like LA too. One team was ready to pay to get him and the other not, it’s nothing to do with PLD using MTL as leverage

I have no info that Dubois was doing that nor did I argue it. I think people read a lot into Friedman’s comments and some bought heavily and overextrapolated.

As I and others have mentioned in this thread, Dubois never took a vow of exclusivity with Montreal.

 

[Habitant#1]

Habs just don’t have the pieces that work for the Jets. Jets need top 6 centres and RHD, exactly what Habs don’t have. If the Florida pick was 17th they could maybe put together something more enticing.

 

[le_sean]

Who would you give up for PLD that is equivalent to Vilardi and Iafallo?

I also think Habs fans overrate the prospect system as well and it couldn’t get done with a prospect as the main piece.

Not sure. I’ll wait to see the final deal to think about what’s equivalent. I think Iafallo=Anderson but Vilardi=Dach? Anderson, no issue giving him up. But I was never good with giving up Dach. The thing is the Kings have an abundance of good centres, which the Habs don’t have. It’s much easier to give up Vilardi if you have Byfield.

 

[Runner77]

That money could never be on the table again, so many things can happen like a massive injuries. It’s the time for him to cash in

Someone use Vanek as exemple but in fact it’s a pretty good exemple why PLD wants to sign that massive contract now. Vanek refuse a 7 years 50m contact and he end up with a 3 years 19.5m. Imagine how much money he lost with that move

Bang on. From a player’s perspective, it’s a smart thing to do. NHL careers can be easily cut short as we know all too well.