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Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

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“Would you rather that the Habs trade for Dubois or instead wait and try to sign him when he becomes

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Sterling Archer said:
Bottom line is of PLD wanted to come to Montreal he could. He doesn’t have to sign an extension and could walk in next year and sign long term.

If he goes to LA, which looks highly likely, it’s not because Habs didn’t offer enough, it’s because PLD chose to go. Habs aren’t going to match Vilardi and Iafallo value and if they did, they’d be much less competitive in the future.
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The guy probably wants to be on a competitive team, can't blame him for that,

LA are a playoff bound competitive team,

He probably doesn't want to play 4-5 years of pointless, no playoff hockey here, it's a waste of his career
 
TheDogCerby said:
Yeah, but this offseason in my opinion will be unique. The cap goes, or is expected to go up significantly, but even then some of those teams won't be able to sign those players to the inflated deals they want.

Might be the best chance for some teams to get a really, really good forward for "free"

See how things go a week, or so after July 1st and how many will have extensions in place already.
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This summer is primetime for long contracts before the cap increase. Its basic math and UFAs ALWAYS look for big contracts, there's no local discount for anyone. Not many of the available players are better than PLD and UFAs are pretty much always older than 25... while some here think it's already to old or even pass prime.

UFA ain't the way to build a roster and finding better, younger and cheaper players than PLD without paying a king's ransom is a unicorn dream. He's still the best realistic available option out there until proven otherwise.
 
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Cant wait for this to be over. Media and fan delusion of the so called, i was a hab fan growing up BS

Players dont care, they play to get paid and lifestyle. Where you are from means little for where you want to play, i get the Fans and media in MTL often have another motive to promote it, but it just isnt reality
 
Runner77 said:
A massive thread only to have it come down to this.

I guess it should have been more than clear what the outcome would be, when Dubois insisted on a trade getting done now.
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It is a good example of media and fans blowing comments out of proportion and driving hyperbolic narratives. All that was ever known was that he would like to play for the Habs but there was never any evidence that he was actively trying to force his way to Montreal or even that Montreal was his first choice. We now know that these narratives were misguided as he could have very easily become a Hab by playing out this season and becoming a UFA. The second that he provided a list of teams the narrative was dead in the water.

I don't blame the media or fans for being excited or for going overboard with the "Dubois forcing his way to Montreal" narrative as that is the nature of the relationship between fans/media and pro sports. I just hope that some learn to better separate evidence from conjecture so as to elevate the quality of our conversations.

I do think that he might have been a great fit if he played out the year and came in close to Suzuki's cap hit as maybe he would finally discover the motivation to find consistency. That scenario always felt somewhat unrealistic so I was never very engaged in actively weighing the possibility of it happening.
 
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I'm surprise Winnipeg want to keep him in the same conference, they were fighting against them to make the playoffs last year no?
 
BaseballCoach said:
Nonsense. He never said Montreal was the ONLY place he would play. Montreal is on a short list but some fans are putting OBLIGATIONS on him to sign below fair value. It's ridiculous.

Dubois is not obliged to prove loyalty or anything. It's just a question of whether his contract will meet Hughes' criteria in a rebuilding framework.

For me, looking at what other 60-70 point players get, looking at his projected role with the team, looking at the cap structure and the need to have money to fill other key spots, PLD is worth in the mid to high $7Ms, no more than Caufield money.
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Dubois is as good as Suzuki for now. It could change, but he's for now as good if not better then our captain . I would be happy with him signing a 8 seasons 8,2-8,5 M $ . Caufield was in fire last season, but he was still in the 67-73 points. He scores more goals, but Dubois brings a physical game that doesn't exist into our group of players
 
Destopcorner said:
This summer is primetime for long contracts before the cap increase. Its basic math and UFAs ALWAYS look for big contracts, there's no local discount for anyone. Not many of the available players are better than PLD and UFAs are pretty much always older than 25... while some here think it's already to old or even pass prime.

UFA ain't the way to build a roster and finding better, younger and cheaper players than PLD without paying a king's ransom is a unicorn dream. He's still the best realistic available option out there until proven otherwise.
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Teams are built through trade, ufa and drafting.

However, to say you have to do something in order to win was throwing out the window by Vegas. They went after the shiniest object and improved that way.

UFA is a definite way to get a key player, or two for the team.
 
ZUKI said:
Dubois is as good as Suzuki for now. It could change, but he's for now as good if not better then our captain . I would be happy with him signing a 8 seasons 8,2-8,5 M $ . Caufield was in fire last season, but he was still in the 67-73 points. He scores more goals, but Dubois brings a physical game that doesn't exist into our group of players
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No, and Suzuki has a premium on his contract for leadership. Otherwise, he would not have been offered $7.875M for being a 60ish point player.

Dubois' physical game is overhyped.
 
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Apoplectic Habs Fan said:
Cant wait for this to be over. Media and fan delusion of the so called, i was a hab fan growing up BS

Players dont care, they play to get paid and lifestyle. Where you are from means little for where you want to play, i get the Fans and media in MTL often have another motive to promote it, but it just isnt reality
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Well its not totally true. Some players will leave money out the table to play where they want to play : like Tavares, to name one.
 
EveryDay said:
I'm surprise Winnipeg want to keep him in the same conference, they were fighting against them to make the playoffs last year no?
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It’s probably the best return they could get, if he does get traded to Los Angeles. If it was down to Montreal and L.A., Montreal didn’t have the assets to compete in that deal.
 
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Milhouse40 said:
Calm the F down.

1- The trade hasn't been announce
2- The Vilardi talks all came from someone who speculate without info
3- Pagnotta just rewrite what Lavoie tweeted this morning, since when those are insiders?
4- I still can't figured out why LA traded Durzi for peanuts instead of putting him in a deal for PLD, seems like a piece they would want according to the same speculation than Vilardi.

PLD might very well end up in LA.....but like last night it was a deal done that Hayes was going to St-Louis and Deangelo was going to Carolina and both of those still hasn't materialize.
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Seriously at this rate he may end up remaining a Winnipeg Jet because the sign & trade method is not obvious It's hard to believe the term and aav required to get this done isn't affecting the offers. Everyone who were insisting that extra year was important may simply be flat out wrong. If Winnipeg are getting lowball offers they can still opt to hold. Something that was discussed early in this thread as perhaps being a way for the Jets to eke out the most value in a bad situation. They did wish him Happy Birthday after all. :sarcasm:
 
pickles555 said:
The guy probably wants to be on a competitive team, can't blame him for that,

LA are a playoff bound competitive team,

He probably doesn't want to play 4-5 years of pointless, no playoff hockey here, it's a waste of his career
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I dont blame him at all. He can go wherever he wants to. I just don’t blame Hughes for not giving the farm to get him. I think the onus was on PLD to do more if he really wanted to come to Montreal. If he goes somewhere else, all good too. Wish him the best and hope Dach outplays him every year moving forward.
 
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Estimated_Prophet said:
It is a good example of media and fans blowing comments out of proportion and driving hyperbolic narratives. All that was ever known was that he would like to play for the Habs but there was never any evidence that he was actively trying to force his way to Montreal or even that Montreal was his first choice. We now know that these narratives were misguided as he could have very easily become a Hab by playing out this season and becoming a UFA. The second that he provided a list of teams the narrative was dead in the water.

I don't blame the media or fans for being excited or for going overboard with the "Dubois forcing his way to Montreal" narrative as that is the nature of the relationship between fans/media and pro sports. I just hope that some learn to better separate evidence from conjecture so as to elevate the quality of our conversations.

I do think that he might have been a great fit if he played out the year and came in close to Suzuki's cap hit as maybe he would finally discover the motivation to find consistency. That scenario always felt somewhat unrealistic so I was never very engaged in actively weighing the possibility of it happening.
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Dubois was only interested in forcing his way out of the Peg. Montreal was a possible destination but nothing more. As has been noted in this thread, Dubois never made any commitment of exclusivity to any destination.

Friedman stoked the fires with his 95% teaser and I suspect too many fans fell for his hyperbole.

More importantly, have they reached him yet for his sign and trade or is he too busy partying with Habs players in Montreal?
 
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I've said it before but all of my interest in PLD went out the window when he submitted a list of other teams to go to. When it was MTL or bust, hell yeah I wanted to get him. The Jets would have had next to no leverage and we could have gotten him at a reasonable trade price.

Now, not a chance. If the kings are offering Villardi/Iaffolo for him, so be it. Great piece of business by the Jets. But I want 0 part in offering the equivalent of that.
 
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My own theory, he was 100% interested to coming home but his agent (being a very good friend with Bergevin) convinced him otherwise. Again it's what I think happened.
 
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