Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[larek]

Or depending on how their draft position shapes out, they are planning on picking Reinbacher ..

Why??

 

[Playmaker09]

In a perfect world, we make a trade for Dubois and it doesn't involve much other than players who aren't projected to be part of our future and no more than our 2nd round pick.

I don't think there is a trade without one element we would ideally not have traded going WIN's way. Minimizing what that element will be is key!

I'm not really sold on the idea that MON doesn't agree to touch the FLA first if it is a 14th, 15th, or 16th OA pick.

Didn't they trade Romanov for a 13th OA and then trade the 13th OA in 2022 for Dach?

Dubois is also a 3rd OA pick, like Dach, and essentially, Dach minus the uncertainty at the time of the trade for Dach.

You'd think that trading a 14th, 15th or 16th OA pick wouldn't be that deplorable a move in HuGo's eyes?

Or, maybe, it is as a cumulative with other pieces going WIN's way that makes that makes the pick too expensive a pay-off?

Dach is an asset you had to trade for to acquire.

PLD is an asset who will be free in 16 months and we have absolutely no need for him in the next season. We are not competing. Do you enjoy throwing money down the drain for fun?

 

[The Great Weal]

I don't get this "Dubois is only a 60 point player" talk. What's the issue with a 60 point player that has a well rounded game? The last time a Hab not named Suzuki got 60 points was Tatar in 2019-2020. We aren't going to have Dubois carry the offense, he's going to be a complimentary 1st liner for us.

 

[Rapala]

The week leading up to the draft and the draft itself will be quite interesting. Hugues definately wants to acquire another 1st to use as currency, like he did when he knew that was the asking price for Dach.

Bettman might just have another announcement starting with "We have two trades to announce..."

That ship has sailed IMO despite what he wants. I'm not sure what assets you expect him to use?

 

[TomKosto]

I agree Chevaldayoff needs to maximize value on PLD trade but he’s in a serious bind w 3-potential UFAs pending (Hellebuyck, Wheeler & Scheifle) and having nothing in their system.

I’m not convinced True North will give the go ahead for a full rebuild, and what if Chevaldayoff simply says f*ck it I’ll find another GM gig in a more attractive market?

Can’t simply just compare Chiarot trade to PLD in a bubble… there are many other varoables at play, least of which is how to not completely lose the PR battle and at least keep Winter-peg attractive to Northern mid-western players (Minny, Wisconsin, Michigan) which makes up close to 30% of their roster…and not by coincidence either

I think it's more speculation on your side with the PR thing than mine with my comparaison with Chiarot. I mean Chiarot is just one exemple, every year rentral player go for 1st rounder. PLD for a year to a contender is still worth a lot. It's not like a first for Dubois is a hefty price to pay... Anyway nice to hear different opinions, I really wish we get Dubois for Harris + 2nd pick type deal, but don't see it happening.

 

[BergevinBurner]

PLD is an asset who will be free in 16 months. Do you enjoy throwing money down the drain for fun?

That is blatantly wrong though lol.

He's going to be a big, top 6 center UFA entering his prime, with 32 teams potentially making offers to him. There will be teams out there desperate for a top 6 center that will offer him overpayments, maybe even in the 10 million per season range. So if we let him walk to free agency you can say bye bye to PLD unless if you want to give him an absolutely bloated contract.

 

[Scriptor]

Don't you think Hughes knows exactly what kind of contract Dubois is looking for?? You would have one bonehead gm to trade for player and give up assets without knowing his salary demands. What ever he gets paid after we trade for him won't be a surprise to Hughes.

In fact, it will most likely be arrived at as a negotiated fait accompli in the trade, or else there will be no trade.

I seriously doubt an ex agent like Hughes would trade a 1st round pick, a top prospect or any other valuable asset without an extension in place as part of the trade.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I doubt we use this tactic, but interesting nonetheless

 

[Scriptor]

The happiest day of my life will be when PLD signs a long term contract elsewhere, so we can stop all the dreaming and useless talk about him.

He isn't that great anyway, stop being obsessed by his name.

If his name was Peter Dunbar, nobody here would even be talking about him.

I disagree. When Dubois becomes an UFA, plenty of GMs will be courting Brisson for a piece of that. I certainly don't want him as a Hab because his name is Dubois. I want him as a Hab because he is confirmed value in the 3rd OA range as a big, physical, power C that is only 24 and still progressing, who has already produced 60 points or more 3 out of 6 times in his career to date by the end of this year.

 

[Playmaker09]

That is blatantly wrong though lol.

He's going to be a big, top 6 center UFA entering his prime, with 32 teams potentially making offers to him. There will be teams out there desperate for a top 6 center that will offer him overpayments, maybe even in the 10 million per season range. So if we let him walk to free agency you can say bye bye to PLD unless if you want to give him an absolutely bloated contract.

Why exactly do you think us trading for him changes that? If anything it makes us committed to matching his demands because we've already paid a high price to acquire him.

If PLD wants max money he will either a) not sign with us and enter UFA anyway, taking the most favorable contact or b) use his leverage as an upcoming UFA to get that inflated contract out of us anyway.


You have no way of preventing him from hitting UFA by trading for him. None. All you're doing is throwing assets down the drain in the process.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Check out this strategy:

The Habs offer sheet PLD on July 1 at $6.4M and if Jets match, they can’t trade him for a year which would automatically make him a UFA and they lose him for nothing.

If they don’t match, we give them next years 1st and 3rd.

I think it’s a good strategy but don’t think HuGo would want to burn his bridges with the other GMs like that right away at the beginning of his tenure.

That being said, if we’re going to keep this thread going for a 1000 pages, let’s discuss!

Possible Canadiens Negotiation Tactic To Pry Dubois From Jets

The Montreal Canadiens have an interesting option ahead if they want to force a trade with the Winnipeg Jets to acquire Pierre-Luc Dubois. It’s no secret to the hockey world at this point that the Montreal Canadiens have been linked to Dubois for the better part of the last eight months. NHL...

montrealhockeynow.com

 

[sampollock]

I say PLD is a hab at the draft.

FLA pick goes, WPG has no bargaining power, fair deal will be made

 

[Scriptor]

there are many other players in the league that fit that description, why the obsession with PLD?

the "wanting to play in montreal" is a myth generated by this forum

lets re-visit this when he signs elsewhere

Name the many other players in the league that fit the description, including the age bracket, and are also available to acquire?

I don't think the list is very long to begin with and, the short list, once you factor in potential for acquisition is almost non existent.

 

[Colezuki]

Check out this strategy:

The Habs offer sheet PLD on July 1 at $6.4M and if Jets match, they can’t trade him for a year which would automatically make him a UFA and they lose him for nothing.

If they don’t match, we give them next years 1st and 3rd.

I think it’s a good strategy but don’t think HuGo would want to burn his bridges with the other GMs like that right away at the beginning of his tenure.

That being said, if we’re going to keep this thread going for a 1000 pages, let’s discuss!

Possible Canadiens Negotiation Tactic To Pry Dubois From Jets

The Montreal Canadiens have an interesting option ahead if they want to force a trade with the Winnipeg Jets to acquire Pierre-Luc Dubois. It’s no secret to the hockey world at this point that the Montreal Canadiens have been linked to Dubois for the better part of the last eight months. NHL...

montrealhockeynow.com

I was about to write to the other poster, it's a high risk move but the threat is there which makes it possible. Not just from us but other teams as well.

I don't like the idea of an exposed 1st rounder (like the panthers this year as an example)

 

[Captain Mountain]

Check out this strategy:

The Habs offer sheet PLD on July 1 at $6.4M and if Jets match, they can’t trade him for a year which would automatically make him a UFA and they lose him for nothing.

If they don’t match, we give them next years 1st and 3rd.

I think it’s a good strategy but don’t think HuGo would want to burn his bridges with the other GMs like that right away at the beginning of his tenure.

That being said, if we’re going to keep this thread going for a 1000 pages, let’s discuss!

Possible Canadiens Negotiation Tactic To Pry Dubois From Jets

The Montreal Canadiens have an interesting option ahead if they want to force a trade with the Winnipeg Jets to acquire Pierre-Luc Dubois. It’s no secret to the hockey world at this point that the Montreal Canadiens have been linked to Dubois for the better part of the last eight months. NHL...

montrealhockeynow.com

I think its a truly awful idea to give up Montreal's 2024 1st without any protections.

 

[salbutera]

I doubt we use this tactic, but interesting nonetheless

Why not? Hughes was an agent afterall, and I’m sure that’s come up in discussions…

HuGo have Jets by the balls….just keep squeezing

 

[Jaynki]

Check out this strategy:

The Habs offer sheet PLD on July 1 at $6.4M and if Jets match, they can’t trade him for a year which would automatically make him a UFA and they lose him for nothing.

If they don’t match, we give them next years 1st and 3rd.

I think it’s a good strategy but don’t think HuGo would want to burn his bridges with the other GMs like that right away at the beginning of his tenure.

That being said, if we’re going to keep this thread going for a 1000 pages, let’s discuss!

Possible Canadiens Negotiation Tactic To Pry Dubois From Jets

The Montreal Canadiens have an interesting option ahead if they want to force a trade with the Winnipeg Jets to acquire Pierre-Luc Dubois. It’s no secret to the hockey world at this point that the Montreal Canadiens have been linked to Dubois for the better part of the last eight months. NHL...

montrealhockeynow.com

I strongly doubt they go the offersheet route.

PLD would have a very terrible year in WPG.

We can just make it formal and nice for every party involved and its by giving FLA 1st.

 

[Colezuki]

I say PLD is a hab at the draft.

FLA pick goes, WPG has no bargaining power, fair deal will be made

I think we all make this trade, but I wonder if Hughes does, seems to me he wanted the third 1st to go after Dubois with

 

[BergevinBurner]

Why exactly do you think us trading for him changes that?

Because we only trade for him if it's a sign and trade situation at a cost Hughes is comfortable with.

I don't think you'll find very many people here that would trade for PLD without a new contract put in place.

 

[The Great Weal]

I doubt we use this tactic, but interesting nonetheless

I mean it's an intriguing strategy but like you said it's unlikely and let's not forget that we give them our unprotected 2024 1st in this case.

 

[SwiftyHab]

I strongly doubt they go the offersheet route.

PLD would have a very terrible year in WPG.

We can just make it formal and nice for every party involved and its by giving FLA 1st.

Maybe Hughes and Gorton can play bon cop / bad cop. Hughes plays nice but Gorton slams his hands on the table threatening Chevaldayoff with an offer sheet.

 

[BergevinBurner]

Check out this strategy:

The Habs offer sheet PLD on July 1 at $6.4M and if Jets match, they can’t trade him for a year which would automatically make him a UFA and they lose him for nothing.

If they don’t match, we give them next years 1st and 3rd.

I think it’s a good strategy but don’t think HuGo would want to burn his bridges with the other GMs like that right away at the beginning of his tenure.

That being said, if we’re going to keep this thread going for a 1000 pages, let’s discuss!

Possible Canadiens Negotiation Tactic To Pry Dubois From Jets

The Montreal Canadiens have an interesting option ahead if they want to force a trade with the Winnipeg Jets to acquire Pierre-Luc Dubois. It’s no secret to the hockey world at this point that the Montreal Canadiens have been linked to Dubois for the better part of the last eight months. NHL...

montrealhockeynow.com

I think Hughes is smart enough not to play with fire.
Our 1st next year could very easily be a top 5 pick. Not to mention that runs the risk of Winnipeg offer sheeting Caufield for revenge, putting us in a shitty spot.

Realistically I don't think the price to trade for him would be much higher than a 1st+3rd, so we're better off just making an offer.

 

[The Great Weal]

I think its a truly awful idea to give up Montreal's 2024 1st without any protections.

It is. The only way we should even entertain this idea is if we get Bedard as I think he and PLD makes us a bubble team. It's still too risky. Not to mention that he basically ruins the relationship with Winnipeg (although it seems like Chevy tried to screw over Hughes by backing out of a PLD trade last second last draft).

 

[salbutera]

I think its a truly awful idea to give up Montreal's 2024 1st without any protections.

If Habs are acquiring PLD that means the NYR blueprint is in full force and rebuild is over - translation: there will be other additions to follow with the $12M+ remaining cap space for a playoff push next season starting w using the Fla pick in a package for a 24 & under goalie be it Askarov / Hart

 

[CDN24]

I doubt we use this tactic, but interesting nonetheless

I doubt they do the offersheet... but the threat of doing it maybe is what makes a trade happen.

Again I don't think Habs trade for him without the jets letting Habs negotiate with him 1st, I also don't think Hughes trades significant assets without knowing what it will cost to sign him LT. Offersheet is a 1st and a 3rd 2024. If he can negotiate 1st I could see him paying a 1st, 3rd and a guy like Hoffman with 50% retention. In Hoffman jets get a guy they will flip at deadline, with mtl retaining 50% already jets can retain another 50% at deadline. Maybe another body- Habs need to clear some bodies.

The other option is anderson as main piece- a guy under contract who can't bail is valuable to the jets too.

At the end of the day i think HUGO makes this move if and only if they can negotiate in advance and have a deal ready to go at around the *M max. If he is looking to be paid big $$ it will be elsewhere. Otherwise he is your Tavares and that model does not work.