Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[crosbyshow]

He did NOT offer Barron. That was the only player HuGo would accept.

Oh yeah..Sakic told.you that...??

At.the.time I bet.you that Hugo asked for Byram, Newhook....

I repeat
..I would offer soft Barron in a heartbeat in a trade for Dubois

 

[HuGo Sham]

He’s been out & about visibly in Mtl more than ever during his pro career…

Meaning this spring? Not so sure. He’s easy to find around Atwater market lol

 

[Scriptor]

Fair points. But the poster could have made these points. He made no points whatsoever.

Even if 65% of posters don't want Dubois, we know for a fact Kent Hughes does. When we discuss at what cost in assets, the assumption is the cap hit isn't an issue. If he can't fit into Hughes's cap structure, it's a non-starter.



I would give Barron too. But Barron today might not be Barron in 3 years, after more development. He is very young.

Poehling amounted to very little and we could have had O'Reilly for him and, I believe, eventually, what Kotkaniemi becomes.

We can always project, but players don't regularly become what they are projected to become.

Dubois is a known quantity who, entering his prime, can also still improve. He also plays a critical position on any roster and adds depth that drives plays.

I'd risk the perceived ceiling for Barron, which, Imo, is not that of a dominating top pairing RD for the certainty of what we get in Dubois, plus some room to grow in his case, still.

As I stated, I'd also be willing to add the 31st OA and the 37th OA for Winnipeg, were it to be in rebuild mode and looking strictly for futures.

 

[crosbyshow]

Fair points. But the poster could have made these points. He made no points whatsoever.

Even if 65% of posters don't want Dubois, we know for a fact Kent Hughes does. When we discuss at what cost in assets, the assumption is the cap hit isn't an issue. If he can't fit into Hughes's cap structure, it's a non-starter.



I would give Barron too. But Barron today might not be Barron in 3 years, after more development. He is very young.

You are right...you have to give something to receive a guy.like Dubois....

But even then...I don't see Barron as a key element in a good team down the road...he is too soft and honestly not quick enough on his feet east west in his own zone

 

[26Mats]

Poehling amounted to very little and we could have had O'Reilly for him and, I believe, eventually, what Kotkaniemi becomes.

We can always project, but players don't regularly become what they are projected to become.

Dubois is a known quantity who, entering his prime, can also still improve. He also plays a critical position on any roster and adds depth that drives plays.

I'd risk the perceived ceiling for Barron, which, Imo, is not that of a dominating top pairing RD for the certainty of what we get in Dubois, plus some room to grow in his case, still.

As I stated, I'd also be willing to add the 31st OA and the 37th OA for Winnipeg, were it to be in rebuild mode and looking strictly for futures.

Yes, those are all pieces I'd be willing to give up, including Barron.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Trade proposal:

Habs keep their picks and prospects

Jets keep PLD

I think it's a fair trade...

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

My proposal was

To Winnipeg: Dvorak + 5th overall
To Detroit: 18th overall + Harris + 31/37 or other smaller pieces, hopefully from the Jets
To Montreal: PLD + 9th overall

Habs do Dvorak + Harris + 5th for PLD + 9th
Jets do PLD + 18th for Dvorak + 5th
Wings do 9th for 18th + Harris

Need to add more to entice the Wings, but they currently have pick 17 so they could pick back to back

 

[Canadienna]

PLD was in Boisbriand yesterday and spent the whole day on the ice (9AM to 7PM) with kids.

95% Montreal, 5% Haiti

 

[Beendair Donedat]

The more I think about Vancouver and their situation vis-a-vis OEL, the more I believe there is an opportunity to relieve them of their 11th overall pick in a move similar to the Monahan deal with Calgary.

I’d offer something along the lines of:

To Vancouver: Florida Panthers 2023 1st round pick (31st overall), 2023 2nd round pick.

To Montreal: Tyler Myers, 2023 1st round pick (11th overall).

*Deal to be made before the Myers signing bonus kick in, so Habs pay the entire 6 million dollar cap hit.

Habs take on the full Myers contract to move up to 11th overall, while the Canucks shed more salary, moving back from 11th to 31st and adding an early second round pick (they didn’t have a second in this years draft).

- Habs can then retain 50 percent on Myers and move him immediately or at the trade deadline for more assets.

Habs use that 11th overall pick to draft either Reinbacher, Wood, ASP, or whomever they like the most that’s available at that spot.

 

[ZUKI]

As soon as you pay PLD 8M +, his value has tanked significantly. At that point you are signing him as if he's a UFA, yet giving up significant assets to do so.

Habs need to stay far away. Sign him as a UFA if he makes it to free agency or not at all.

At 24 years old Dubois has 28, 27 and 27 goals seasons. He also plays a physical game- more then any Habs player - he plays in front of the net and is big .

To me, i will never understand fans that don't want Hugues to get him " because he will need to pay signifiants assets " ... Come on ! Dubois is as valuable as Suzuki in termes of what he would bring with his kind of game. Those players cost a lot because they bring a lot to their team. The chance that a draftee turns into a player as good as Dubois is very slim.

 

[ZUKI]

Not surprisingly, the Jets have been through this before:

the problem here is that we have few fans around here that are making their own propaganda about Dubois being a big baby crying to play for another team

 

[Junohockeyfan]

At 24 years old Dubois has 28, 27 and 27 goals seasons. He also plays a physical game- more then any Habs player - he plays in front of the net and is big .

To me, i will never understand fans that don't want Hugues to get him " because he will need to pay signifiants assets " ... Come on ! Dubois is as valuable as Suzuki in termes of what he would bring with his kind of game. Those players cost a lot because they bring a lot to their team. The chance that a draftee turns into a player as good as Dubois is very slim.

He also has serious character issues and quits on hit team at times. He would be a target of the fans and a potential disaster. On top of that, reports are he is demanding 9M AAV. For a top6 C that is full of issues that is egregious. If you sign him to that as a UFA, that's one thing. But if you give up significant assets then have to overpay him, that's a terrible proposition.

Habs has committed to Dach and he showed last season he can be the 2C the Habs are looking for. You have to give Dach an opportunity.

 

[ZUKI]

He also has serious character issues and quits on hit team at times. He would be a target of the fans and a potential disaster. On top of that, reports are he is demanding 9M AAV. For a top6 C that is full of issues that is egregious. If you sign him to that as a UFA, that's one thing. But if you give up significant assets then have to overpay him, that's a terrible proposition.

Habs has committed to Dach and he showed last season he can be the 2C the Habs are looking for. You have to give Dach an opportunity.

See the message I've quoted just above.
About the 9M$ , it came from Basu or another one , and it wasn't from a source but simply a guess
I really like what i saw from Dach last season. But he's nowhere near Dubois at this time.
Dach has 33 goals in 210 games played. Dubois has 27 goals in 73 games just last season. He " could be as good " one day, but Dubois is 24-25 years old and could also flourish to a more productive player.

 

[SlafySZN]

See the message I've quoted just above.
About the 9M$ , it came from Basu or another one , and it wasn't from a source but simply a guess
I really like what i saw from Dach last season. But he's nowhere near Dubois at this time.
Dach has 33 goals in 210 games played. Dubois has 27 goals in 73 games just last season. He " could be as good " one day, but Dubois is 24-25 years old and could also flourish to a more productive player.

It was from a source, Arpon said it.

Dach doesn’t need to be ‘’as good’’ as Dubois right now at this moment. The habs are in a rebuild, he has the time to develop. Plus Dach is not a goal scorer you can’t compare their goals stats.

 

[Habs13]

I wonder if the Jets are playing their role in the game, using the Kings as leverage to get more from the Habs!?

 

[River Meadow]

See the message I've quoted just above.
About the 9M$ , it came from Basu or another one , and it wasn't from a source but simply a guess
I really like what i saw from Dach last season. But he's nowhere near Dubois at this time.
Dach has 33 goals in 210 games played. Dubois has 27 goals in 73 games just last season. He " could be as good " one day, but Dubois is 24-25 years old and could also flourish to a more productive player.

Dubois is 25 years old in a few days.

Dach is much younger from a developmental standpoint as he just turned 22 in Jan.

Dach will be better than Dubois, he is bigger, actually plays bigger, and bonus, Dach has never begged to be off a team let alone 2 different teams.

 

[MTL-rules]

Dubois is 25 years old in a few days.

Dach is much younger from a developmental standpoint as he just turned 22 in Jan.

Dach will be better than Dubois, he is bigger, actually plays bigger, and bonus, Dach has never begged to be off a team let alone 2 different teams.

Say what ? Have you actually watched PLD play ?

Every one agree that Dach is off the table in a PLD trade, but we would be stupid to not want PLD on this team... Unless you love being bottom feeder and talk about who we draft all yeat long...

 

[River Meadow]

Say what ? Have you actually watched PLD play ?

Every one agree that Dach is off the table in a PLD trade, but we would be stupid to not want PLD on this team... Unless you love being bottom feeder and talk about who we draft all yeat long...

Yes I have seen PLD, especially in the playoffs, very closely.

Not impressed.

Dach is 2 full inches taller than PLD with reach for dayssssssssssssss, and he continues to fill into his frame and get stronger and stronger.

 

[salbutera]

Meaning this spring? Not so sure. He’s easy to find around Atwater market lol

No I mean compared to his previous years as a pro, there’s a PR visibility blitz right now…he’s everywhere in Mtl, and “they’re” making sure everyone sees & is aware of it.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Caufield chilling on the boat with Dubois

 

[Vachon23]

 

[Quiho]

No I mean compared to his previous years as a pro, there’s a PR visibility blitz right now…he’s everywhere in Mtl, and “they’re” making sure everyone sees & is aware of it.

Worth mentioning Pat Brisson also in there. Spending time in MTL patty ?

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Jack Hughes
Trevor Zegras
Pierre Luc Dubois

To Montreal E5

 

[Hannibal]

I really hope we get him. when you get the chance to trade for a 24 years old, big center entering his prime and hometown, you gotta make it.

f*** LA

 

[Runner77]

This is looking orchestrated for sure.

Has Dubois ever spent time with these guys before? Were they broskis before Dubois announced that we was done with the Peg?

If Dubois does end up a Hab, then yeah, you love to see it.

What’s next — the Habs package something using their 5th OA, to land Zegras?