Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[SnapVirus]

The absolute most I’d do for Dubois:

A) Harris and 31st and try to move up around 20-27th

B) trade that 20-27th pick + Barron to Winnipeg for Dubois.

And in that case Dubois need to sign not a penny more than Suzuki/Caufield. If he wants more, he can go in LA eating pizzas with Danault.

5th OV is crazy talk. That pick will be cost control in the best draft since Crosby’s. That player will be better than Dubois.

 

[BLONG7]

Trading a 5 OA for PLD is not how you build a championship team.

I think the Kings just may be the spot for PLD.
If they are willing to give up assets to suit the Jets, by all means boys, go for it..............the plan all along was to use the habs to drive up the salary...........

Stay the course, and continue with the rebuild plan.....better days ahead guys, with or without PLD.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Mike Matheson is one of our top 3 players, possibly our best player. I would not give up any of our top 5 when we are in talent gathering mode. We need to keep and ADD to:

Suzuki​

Caufield​

Matheson​

Dach​

Montembeault (unless a clearly better goalie is coming back)​

That is about half the core-11 I'm looking for.

Holding onto any prospect who plausibly projects as core-11. If and when he no longer does (like Harris), I am willing to move him if there is value back.

So off the table at this time are :

Guhle​

Slafkovsky​

Farrell​

Barron​

Mailloux​

Hutson​

Dobes​

​

Borderline, and thus not to be used as throw-ins without thinking:

Xhekaj​

Engstrom​

​

That leaves plenty of players or propsects I would be fine with having on my team but could be traded in order to HELP bring in a core-11 piece:

Anderson​

Dvorak​

Evans​

RHP​

Pitlick​

Ylonen​

Pezzetta​

Gurianov if re-signed​

Harris​

Edmundson​

Savard​

Kovacevic​

Allen​

Heineman​

Mesar​

Beck​

Roy​

Kidney​

Struble​

Norlinder​

Fairbrother​

Mysak​

Trudeau​

Primeau​

Finally, there are the guys who are overpriced but if we can offload as part of the deal, I'd love it:

Gallagher​

Hoffman​

Armia​

I admit I was as a bit rude there with @Mats26. Not proud of it.

Can you point out where I was similarly rude with you? I recall only not agreeing with you, which is not the same thing.

I think you are pretty much correct in your groupings, personally I would have another group of players that I would categorize as being too soon to call, that would include players like Farrell, Engstom, Heineman, Beck, Roy, Kidney, Xhekaj, not untradeable but ones I would want to see more of before making a decision on them instead of the borderline group.

 

[RationalExpectations]

The absolute most I’d do for Dubois:

A) Harris and 31st and try to move up around 20-27th

B) trade that 20-27th pick + Barron to Winnipeg for Dubois.

And in that case Dubois need to sign not a penny more than Suzuki/Caufield. If he wants more, he can go in LA eating pizzas with Danault.

5th OV is crazy talk. That pick will be cost control in the best draft since Crosby’s. That player will be better than Dubois.

Why would you trade the only RD prospect with a bit of NHL experience that MTL has ?

 

[waitin425]

The absolute most I’d do for Dubois:

A) Harris and 31st and try to move up around 20-27th

B) trade that 20-27th pick + Barron to Winnipeg for Dubois.

And in that case Dubois need to sign not a penny more than Suzuki/Caufield. If he wants more, he can go in LA eating pizzas with Danault.

5th OV is crazy talk. That pick will be cost control in the best draft since Crosby’s. That player will be better than Dubois.

If we trade away Harris, I wouldn't include Barron in the next deal.

We are desperately thin at RD. Do your first move, then make it 20-27 plus Roy or Kidney or Farrell

 

[HABitual Fan]

The absolute most I’d do for Dubois:

A) Harris and 31st and try to move up around 20-27th

B) trade that 20-27th pick + Barron to Winnipeg for Dubois.

And in that case Dubois need to sign not a penny more than Suzuki/Caufield. If he wants more, he can go in LA eating pizzas with Danault.

5th OV is crazy talk. That pick will be cost control in the best draft since Crosby’s. That player will be better than Dubois.

Would not trade Barron, prefer trading the 37th pick for the Boston pick and Murray and buy him out instead of creating another hole on RD just to acquire PLD.

 

[Weltschmerz]

Not surprisingly, the Jets has been through this before:

Big Buff also quit, left a lot of money on the table.

 

[SnapVirus]

Why would you trade the only RD prospect with a bit of NHL experience that MTL has ?

Because I dont see him becoming a second pair D. I think he is not really good defensively and I believe he’ll be a Mete type of D. Maybe you believe more than me in his potential. But thats what I feel.

Plus Winnipeg has his brother in their lineup.

 

[dinodebino]

Ahhh…reading that our youngins’ are ready to trade our ‘overrated’ Arber and then see our guys get pummeled on the road. I guess the last Finals did not convince you that guys like Arber are still needed and you want 15 uber talented forwards and no peacemakers. There’s a board for you: it’s called the Figs board. They like their flash but have no cash.

 

[BaseballCoach]

You need to be less sensitive, considering the results so far on the poll on this board say that 65% of the fans here are unwilling to trade anything for him. So it goes to reason that your offers, as reasonable as they may be to acquire him for someone that wants to trade for him, are a complete no go for someone who does not. You are operating under the false premise that everyone wants him, so handing out assets to get it done is a must, and that the trade cost is the discussion point, whereas the vast majority, would not even give Dvorak alone for him, without knowing what the contract demands would be, and even then might balk at the contract he wants.

I'm not even one of the radical anti-trade guys. I'd give some assets to get Dubois signed now for maximum Caufield money.

But I occasionally react harshly when there is talk of the 5OA or Matheson, Dach, Guhle, Suzuki or Caufield. or our top prospects.

To include the 5OA, I'd want the 18OA and an unprotected 2025 1st back AND the Jets take a cap dump iif they want a player (good but not core).

 

[BaseballCoach]

Because I dont see him becoming a second pair D. I think he is not really good defensively and I believe he’ll be a Mete type of D. Maybe you believe more than me in his potential. But thats what I feel.

Plus Winnipeg has his brother in their lineup.

I'm not convinced yet on Barron becoming a top-3 D either, but it is definitely possible. If Jets want him, they get no first round pick, as he is worth more than a late 1st in my opinion.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Because I dont see him becoming a second pair D. I think he is not really good defensively and I believe he’ll be a Mete type of D. Maybe you believe more than me in his potential. But thats what I feel.

Plus Winnipeg has his brother in their lineup.

If your evaluation of him is the same as Winnipeg's, his brother being on the team holds as much relevance as all the trade and draft proposals of other fanbases that include every Quebec player as being of interest to the Habs just on the basis of birth certificate.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Big Buff also quit, left a lot of money on the table.

Not quite the same, unless you are suggesting that playing in Winnipeg was so bad that not playing at all was better. If it was just to get out of there he would have been traded elsewhere, he just didn't want to play hockey anymore.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Please do not go work for the Habs.

Oh the irony

 

[Adam Michaels]

PLD was in Boisbriand yesterday and spent the whole day on the ice (9AM to 7PM) with kids.

 

[SnapVirus]

If your evaluation of him is the same as Winnipeg's, his brother being on the team holds as much relevance as all the trade and draft proposals of other fanbases that include every Quebec player as being of interest to the Habs just on the basis of birth certificate.

Thats the point about evaluation and preferences. When a player is young and you dont feel he is on the right path, you trade him before. Ex. Galchenyuk vs Yakupov. We traded Galchenyuk for something good. While EDM kept Yakupov too long and sank his value.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Thats the point about evaluation and preferences. When a player is young and you dont feel he is on the right path, you trade him before. Ex. Galchenyuk vs Yakupov. We traded Galchenyuk for something good. While EDM kept Yakupov too long and sank his value.

My point was not about evaluating and trading him, it was about the meaningless mention of his brother being on Winnipeg. Winnipeg GM is not going over player lists to find guys who have a relative on the team, but rather looking for players that the team wants to win. It is nothing against you personally, I just see this point being brought up all the time and it irks me in the same way as every Quebec player is a must have for Montreal from other fanbases. Just look at the reasoning for trading Beauvallier to Montreal by Canuck fans.

 

[HuGo Sham]

PLD was in Boisbriand yesterday and spent the whole day on the ice (9AM to 7PM) with kids.

it's good that he's not hiding.

Dude lives in Montreal, plays in that pro summer league too.
Unfortunately doesn't mean he's coming here

 

[Beer and Chips]

PLD was in Boisbriand yesterday and spent the whole day on the ice (9AM to 7PM) with kids.

Gee, what a nice guy!

 

[salbutera]

it's good that he's not hiding.

Dude lives in Montreal, plays in that pro summer league too.
Unfortunately doesn't mean he's coming here

He’s been out & about visibly in Mtl more than ever during his pro career…

 

[crosbyshow]

I'm not convinced yet on Barron becoming a top-3 D either, but it is definitely possible. If Jets want him, they get no first round pick, as he is worth more than a late 1st in my opinion.

I would give Barron in a heartbeat in a trade for Dubois.

Barron is so soft. ...and he is so bad defensively.

Barron is a very good skater in straight line but thats it.

When I saw one of the best gm in the league (Sakic) gave him for Lekhonen instead of other Avs prospects....I was suspicious about Barron and when you really look at him on the ice.....you understand why Sakic gave up on him.

Even if we are thin on the RD...Barron is not the answer at all

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I would give Barron in a heartbeat in a trade for Dubois.

Barron is so soft. ...and he is so bad defensively.

Barron is a very good skater in straight line but thats it.

When I saw one of the best gm in the league (Sakic) gave him for Lekhonen instead of other Avs prospects....I was suspicious about Barron and when you really look at him on the ice.....you understand why Sakic gave up on him.

Even if we are thin on the RD...Barron is not the answer at all

He did NOT offer Barron. That was the only player HuGo would accept.

 

[26Mats]

You need to be less sensitive, considering the results so far on the poll on this board say that 65% of the fans here are unwilling to trade anything for him. So it goes to reason that your offers, as reasonable as they may be to acquire him for someone that wants to trade for him, are a complete no go for someone who does not. You are operating under the false premise that everyone wants him, so handing out assets to get it done is a must, and that the trade cost is the discussion point, whereas the vast majority, would not even give Dvorak alone for him, without knowing what the contract demands would be, and even then might balk at the contract he wants.

Fair points. But the poster could have made these points. He made no points whatsoever.

Even if 65% of posters don't want Dubois, we know for a fact Kent Hughes does. When we discuss at what cost in assets, the assumption is the cap hit isn't an issue. If he can't fit into Hughes's cap structure, it's a non-starter.

I would give Barron in a heartbeat in a trade for Dubois.

Barron is so soft. ...and he is so bad defensively.

Barron is a very good skater in straight line but thats it.

When I saw one of the best gm in the league (Sakic) gave him for Lekhonen instead of other Avs prospects....I was suspicious about Barron and when you really look at him on the ice.....you understand why Sakic gave up on him.

Even if we are thin on the RD...Barron is not the answer at all

I would give Barron too. But Barron today might not be Barron in 3 years, after more development. He is very young.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Not surprisingly, the Jets has been through this before:

So did Columbus. No one stayed. They went all in with Panarin, Jones, Duchene, etc. There were locker room issues there too.

 

[Scriptor]

Which explains why he hasn't been traded yet. Montreal just needs to sit tight here. I trust Hughes not to trade #5 or Dach for PLD.

#31 & Barron is pretty close to what Fiala got. Big difference though is Minnesota got #19, so Montreal can throw in another draft pick or prospect to make up the difference.

Of course, Chevy's Day Off can want the moon for all of his rats as they scramble to leave the ship, but what he ends uo getting is another story.

The more you wait, the lesser the return as other shark GMs smell blood.

The 31st, 37th and Barron, for example, would be a generous payday for a player like Dubois who definitely isn't re-signing with Winnipeg.

I would pay that much for Dubois as a sign and trade, but, for that to happen, Chevy's Day Off would either need to be replaced, with a new plan from new management team that looks to rebuild with the assets they will lose being traded for futures, or would need to see the writing on the wall and, himself, actually be leaning towards a rebuild.

Whether Montreal keeps Barron or not, they will be weak on the right side, especially for the top-4, with Savard, IMO, being too old to hold a top spot on the right side. Unfortunately, neither Barron, Kovacevic, or one of Harris and Xhekaj, on their off sides, are ready and capable of taking on that role.

Montreal needs immediate help on RD, even if it is only short term as we look to fill positions internally.

A top-6 C with size and scoring ability, IMO, is worth more than Barron who, ideally, would top out, again, IMO, as a 2nd pairing D that complements a better 2nd pairing D.