Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Rapala]

That's f***in bonkers.

He's just reiterating what the sports talk people in Winnipeg think Chevy needs to get to appease the fan base. Either 5th overall minimum or Dach minimum. It's completely understandable but realistically not something that would interest us in the least. It's the plus plus that is bonkers. It's going to be hilarious when they come to realize this won't be a like for like at least with Montreal. We aren't pushing for anything at this point. The kicker for me is the best trade partners are likely in his no fly zone. I almost feel bad for them. Who the heck am I kidding no I don't.

 

[Rapala]

But we can trade them the rights to negotiate with Drouin before he hits free agency. No team will top that offer. Throw in Vrbetic also to replace the departing Hellebuyck, too.

Habs still have a retention slot left. We can even pay 50% of Drouin's remaining salary before July 1st.

I'm thinking we let that situation die a natural death. Sounds like it would be in line with Gorton's Organic strategy.

 

[Unclewhalebone]

Jets could potentially drastically lly get a better offer elsewhere.

Then maybe we should let them. We are allowed to say thanks but no thanks.

 

[SwiftyHab]

To Winnipeg:

2023 5-OA​

Gallagher​

Allen​

​

To Montreal:

2023 18-OA​

2024 second​

2025 unprotected first (the Misa draft year)​

Dubois​

Hellebuyck​

​

You can also add Chevy’s first born child, a private jet, and $500M in unnumbered bills to your hostage list.

 

[SlafySZN]

The 5OA could be the center piece of the deal.

Especially with how little information is available on who they are leaning towards it seems like they could be inclined to move the pick.

It would be a “fair” trade and a lot of Habs dans wouldn’t like it, but it would get it done.

You can’t be serious…

They could be inclined to move the pick because the medias doesn’t have infos on who they will pick? lol

 

[CHwest]

2 questions about Dubois:

1. is he the first player to not want to stay in Columbus?
No, Panarin, Bobrovsky, Duchene, and Seth Jones all didn't want to stay.

2. Is he the first player to not want to sign long term in Winnipeg?
No, Trouba and now Hellybuck don't want to sign long term.

Wouldn't be the first to want out of Monteal either.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

If its a sign and trade, the 5th OV would pretty much have to be a part of it. I'm fine with that, in the grand scheme of things. You do have to give something to get something.

 

[HABitual Fan]

I heard David Amber on the radio saying he thinks it will cost the 5th overall pick and more ("plus-plus" were his words) for the Habs to get PLD.

I would put more stock into what a boxing cutman like Russ Amber says than this one from a supposed journalist and hockey insider like David Amber.

 

[HABitual Fan]

If its a sign and trade, the 5th OV would pretty much have to be a part of it. I'm fine with that, in the grand scheme of things. You do have to give something to get something.

Not if you are the only ones willing to sign and trade for him, My guess besides all the posturing by Winnipeg fans, the deal will likely be the equivalent of an offer sheet to whomever gets him, a late first and a 3rd pick. maybe a second to make up for the fact that in an offer sheet the picks would be unprotected. So basically Florida 1st and a B prospect.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I've been thinking about this some more.

Maybe there is a deal possible after all.

The key is Michkov.

I've heard from reliable source Bave Ander that Mavei thinks Winnipeg, as cold and barren as it is, is a big upgrade over Siberia. He plans to get the rest of his family still alive out of Russia, defecting like the Stastnys, and more.

Winnipeg could get an unbelievable talent at #5 if he is still available, one better than most first overalls, whereas they could never dream of that at 18th. Michkov is easily worth two first round picks, maybe more - remember Lindros.

So the deal would be -

To Winnipeg:

2023 5-OA​

Gallagher​

Allen​

​

To Montreal:

2023 18-OA​

2024 second​

2025 unprotected first (the Misa draft year)​

Dubois​

Hellebuyck​

​

Winnipeg gets instant re-tooling fuel, and the word might spread around the world that they are a major league market that should be considered by any star players.

The only problem is that the Habs might not get anyone as good as Will Smith at THIS draft table, so many here will not want to do this.

 

[Rapala]

Still feeling this PLD dream is dead

I've had this feeling all along when a deal couldn't be made last year. It was probably completely off the table on our side but the damn rumors just wouldn't stop. I've always sensed someone was seeding the clouds and our intrepid journalists including Freidman were taken along for the ride.

 

[26Mats]

Wouldn't be the first to want out of Monteal either.

We've been lucky to not have had a mass exodus of such good players.

Now, whether that's because Montreal doesn't have the issues retaining star players Columbus and Winnipeg have, or because Montreal just hasn't had that many star players to begin with in the last 30 years is up for debate

 

[nhlfan9191]

If its a sign and trade, the 5th OV would pretty much have to be a part of it. I'm fine with that, in the grand scheme of things. You do have to give something to get something.

I’d rather drag my nuts across 1000 miles of glass then trade a top 5 pick to a team that has one year of control on a player and can’t even get him to sign the one year they have.

 

[Retired]

I've had this feeling all along when a deal couldn't be made last year. It was probably completely off the table on our side but the damn rumors just wouldn't stop. I've always sensed someone was seeding the clouds and our intrepid journalists including Freidman were taken along for the ride.

I’ve had that feeling since his presser last year too; when pressed by media about his link to the habs « Sometimes things change; they draft a guy, trade for a guy… »… well they drafted a big guy then traded for a center…

I don’t think habs are drafting for need as much as bpa this year but as far as the urgency of signing PLD it kind of helps negate with draft/moves so far.

I believe they need 5 more pld level players and 2 more elite 1st liners but the PLD link might not be as strong a year later.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I’d rather drag my nuts across 1000 miles of glass then trade a top 5 pick to a team that has one year of control on a player and can’t even get him to sign the one year they have.

Some people are into that you know

 

[StCaufield]

He’s probably going to the kings and thank god. He wants up to 9M lol cap suicide

 

[CHwest]

If its a sign and trade, the 5th OV would pretty much have to be a part of it. I'm fine with that, in the grand scheme of things. You do have to give something to get something.

I am not willing to give up a strong likelihood of an impact first line player for a borderline first line/second line player, not a chance.

 

[Scriptor]

If its a sign and trade, the 5th OV would pretty much have to be a part of it. I'm fine with that, in the grand scheme of things. You do have to give something to get something.

The 5th OA is a bit steep for Dubois, IMO. Dubois makes sense for the tabs -- long term -- but not at the expense of such a quality building block that can ALSO be acquired at the 5th OA.

It makes sense in a scenario where PLD + Caufield + Suzuki + Dach + Smith (likely best case)/Michkov + Guhle + Hutson + Mailloux + + become foundation pieces.

I could see MON giving #31 + #37 + young NHLer (Harris or Barron) + veteran NHLer (Dvorak) for Dubois. That Win insists on remaining relevant despite all the rats looking to escape the ship doesn't change what would be a value package for Dubois who is but one year away from free agency and refuses to re-up with the Jets.

 

[MrNasty]

Does MTL have full reign to speak to Dubois manager right now? Is he technically unsigned right now?

He's still under contract now. He officially becomes an RFA on July 1st.

Contracts end on June 30th. So on July 1st, whoever isn't signed is a free agent, whether they are a UFA or an RFA.

So if Habs want to speak to Dubois and Brisson now, they'd need Jets' permission.

The original report from Basu and Godin was that all teams on PLD's list have permission to negotiate with Brisson.

Meanwhile, Brisson can begin talking to those teams about the parameters of a new contract. The plan is for this to be a sign-and-trade, where the Jets sign Dubois to an eight-year contract and then trade him to his new team.

What we’re hearing on the Canadiens, Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I’d rather drag my nuts across 1000 miles of glass then trade a top 5 pick to a team that has one year of control on a player and can’t even get him to sign the one year they have.

I am not willing to give up a strong likelihood of an impact first line player for a borderline first line/second line player, not a chance.

The 5th OA is a bit steep for Dubois, IMO. Dubois makes sense for the tabs -- long term -- but not at the expense of such a quality building block that can ALSO be acquired at the 5th OA.

It makes sense in a scenario where PLD + Caufield + Suzuki + Dach + Smith (likely best case)/Michkov + Guhle + Hutson + Mailloux + + become foundation pieces.

I could see MON giving #31 + #37 + young NHLer (Harris or Barron) + veteran NHLer (Dvorak) for Dubois. That Win insists on remaining relevant despite all the rats looking to escape the ship doesn't change what would be a value package for Dubois who is but one year away from free agency and refuses to re-up with the Jets.

Meh, if it's between the 5th OV mystery box and a 24 years old established player, I'm inclined to take the known quantity. Not that I think PLD is the be all and end all, but he's a genuine top 6 guy. I'm saying that with the caveat that he's not on a 9 x 8 type of deal though, at that price it's a heavy no for me.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Guys Dubois is not coming here and never had any intention of joining

 

[Colezuki]

Guys Dubois is not coming here and never had any intention of joining

i think he has intention, the opportunity to join wasn’t there and you can’t keep risking your families future if the team won’t do the same.

With that said, where are you Adam Michael’s I need my twitter updates s

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Still feeling this PLD dream is dead

Yeah, me too.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Yeah, me too.

Can they kill it officially so everyone can move on? This guy has managed to make himself a dark cloud hovering over us for years without actually being apart of our team. I would acknowledge it for being impressive if it wasn’t so frustrating.

 

[JoelWarlord]

If its a sign and trade, the 5th OV would pretty much have to be a part of it. I'm fine with that, in the grand scheme of things. You do have to give something to get something.

No it doesn't. Bo Horvat is a similarly valuable player and he moved for a mid-1st and a B prospect. Dubois is not worth a 5th overall pick in trade.

As an aside I think people are getting way too fixated on "9M". That's going to be his ask, it doesn't mean he's going to get it or is expecting to get it. It's going to be pretty difficult for Dubois' agent to convince an NHL team he's worth more than Horvat at 8.5, let alone Larkin at 8.7.