Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Habs Halifax]

Those situations are completely different. Eichel committed to a long term contract with Buffalo and it’s not like that franchise has been much better, if at all then Columbus and Winnipeg to play for. He may not have been happy with the quality of the team but he still showed up and played. It wasn’t until Buffalo tried to interfere with a medical decision that would affect his health in the long term before he really wanted out. That’s not the same as being upset about a location or having a falling out with a coach.

They are different but completely? Not really. The point here is some fans are going through effort to give Eichel a break while going in the opposite direction with Dubois.

You may not believe this is true but what if he wanted to be traded to the Habs when he asked out of Columbus?

 

[nhlfan9191]

They are different but completely? Not really. The point here is some fans are going through effort to give Eichel a break while going in the opposite direction with Dubois.

You may not believe this is true but what if he wanted to be traded to the Habs when he asked out of Columbus?

It’s really apples and oranges. It isn’t comparable. And if he asked for a specific trade to Montreal from Columbus, I’d say who cares. He was an RFA with no trade restrictions so Columbus was always going to trade him to the highest bidder which they did. Columbus didn’t owe him anything.

 

[Mad]

Sure buddy. Eichel is not a quitter but Dubois is. Is that what you are saying?

Eichel was a dynamic presence in Buffalo. Every single play that happened on the ice had to go through him.

Even with the team being mediocre, Eichel showed commitment and signed a long-term deal, and was promised that Buffalo (after years at the bottom) would do the necessary moves to be competitive.

That never happened, which is the reason Eichel wanted out. Add the whole injury story, and Buffalo complete refusal to let him have his wishes, it’s easy to understand why the relationship soured.

Columbus made a big push for the cup, and Dubois dipped the season after. He didn’t sign a long-term contract when his team was clearly way more committed to win than Buffalo.

You guys keep trying to push that fake narrative. NO ONE cares about Dubois asking for a trade, the problem is HIS ACTUAL PLAY on the ice coupled with the fact that this is the second time he asks for that.

Eichel was always the best player on the ice for his team, and he was actually way more dynamic than he is now with Vegas. His play on the ice is the difference between both. When Vegas needed him, you saw him work his ass off.

Hope that clears the air, buddy.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It’s really apples and oranges. It isn’t comparable. And if he asked for a specific trade to Montreal from Columbus, I’d say who cares. He’s was an RFA with no trade restrictions so Columbus was always going to trade him to the highest bidder which they did.

Not willing to carry the "quitter" narrative anymore more at this stage. All I will say is if he asked out of Columbus because he wanted to come home, that's not a quitter to me. Two teams now? Well, the 2nd time is on the Jets, not Dubois. I believe the Jets knew he was very interested in Montreal but traded for him anyways.

Eichel was a dynamic presence in Buffalo. Every single play that happened on the ice had to go through him.

Even with the team being mediocre, Eichel showed commitment and signed a long-term deal, and was promised that Buffalo (after years at the bottom) would do the necessary moves to be competitive.

That never happened, which is the reason Eichel wanted out. Add the whole injury story, and Buffalo complete refusal to let him have his wishes, it’s easy to understand why the relationship soured.

Columbus made a big push for the cup, and Dubois dipped the season after. He didn’t sign a long-term contract when his team was clearly way more committed to win than Buffalo.

You guys keep trying to push that fake narrative. NO ONE cares about Dubois asking for a trade, the problem is HIS ACTUAL PLAY on the ice coupled with the fact that this is the second time he asks for that.

Eichel was always the best player on the ice for his team, and he was actually way more dynamic than he is now with Vegas. His play on the ice is the difference between both. When Vegas needed him, you saw him work his ass off.

Hope that clears the air, buddy.

Didn't read it. I'm not going on and on today debating the "quitter" conversation. You can

 

[nhlfan9191]

Not willing to carry the "quitter" narrative anymore more at this stage. All I will say is if he asked out of Columbus because he wanted to come home, that's not a quitter to me. Two teams now? Well, the 2nd time is on the Jets, not Dubois. I believe the Jets knew he was very interested in Montreal but traded for him anyways.



Didn't read it. I'm not going on and on today debating the "quitter" conversation. You can

But he did quit. He had one of the most embarassing shifts I’ve seen in pro hockey and was traded immediately after.

 

[Mad]

Not willing to carry the "quitter" narrative anymore more at this stage. All I will say is if he asked out of Columbus because he wanted to come home, that's not a quitter to me. Two teams now? Well, the 2nd time is on the Jets, not Dubois. I believe the Jets knew he was very interested in Montreal but traded for him anyways.

It’s not about asking for a trade.

It’s the fact he completely gave up on the ice, in front of his teammates in a system that required everyone to be honest on the ice.

It’s the fact that he had an even worse game in game 5 with the Knights than his infamous shift in Columbus.

Any of the guys worried about Dubois in this thread haven’t hated on him. They just cautioned that there is red flags there, that’s it. I haven’t seen any of those guys say no to Dubois at the right price.

But there’s this narrative that people keep defending for no reason.

 

[Habs Halifax]

But he did quit. He had one of the most embarassing shifts I’ve seen in pro hockey and was traded immediately after.

He quit on the team he asked to be traded away from yeah and lets not forget it was several seasons with Torts as his coach.

Are you saying he's no good. Won't show up for us? Worse than Patch so lets say no and don't bother? Just another Danault and overrated?

 

[Mad]

Didn't read it. I'm not going on and on today debating the "quitter" conversation. You can

Don’t. You brought up the point, why go through with it…

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Sorry but comparing Dubois to Eichel situation is nonsense,


Eichel is a BIG DOG

Don’t. You brought up the point, why go through with it…

Yeah calls eichel a quitter like dubois but when you explain why its different you get hit with the didint read ...nice

 

[nhlfan9191]

He quit on the team he asked to be traded away from yeah and lets not forget it was several seasons with Torts as his coach.

Are you saying he's no good. Won't show up for us? Worse than Patch so lets say no and don't bother? Just another Danault and overrated?

For as crazy as Tororella can be, he’s held a head coaching position just about every season the last 20+ years and lots of guys love him despite his antics. I don’t think it’s a shock Rick Bowness also blew his lid at the end of this season even if he didn’t directly point his finger at only Dubois. If we’re forking up $8-9 million dollars over 8 years for a player, I want somebody who is part of the solution in those situations, not part of the problem.

 

[Benstheman]

I think people are seeing the situation backward. The bidding war for PLD between MTL and LA (if true), is not about the best return package in a trade but more about the parameters of a contract extension with one or the other team. Basically, PLD controls about everything.

As far as contract extension is concerned, Most probably won’t get more than Suzuki and Caufield if he signs in MTL. And most probably (maybe not), LA can offer him more(maybe as high as 9M$ per).

I think Brisson is negotiating with both teams and will soon determine which team PLD wants to play more considering contract extension.

After that, the return package will be discussed based on what Jets could get for 1 year of PLD.

I don’t think Brisson will give Winnipeg the choice of the trade partner. No chance.

 

[HabsEstrie]

Dubois isn't a quitter
You live in Columbus and Winnipeg then get back to us

 

[JHabs]

Eichel is a perfect example of someone who was deemed a "Cancer" in the locker room. Man is not regretting standing his ground, making a massive stink, cornering the Sabres to deal him elsewhere.

 

[Ozmodiar]

It’s not about asking for a trade.

It’s the fact he completely gave up on the ice, in front of his teammates in a system that required everyone to be honest on the ice.

It’s the fact that he had an even worse game in game 5 with the Knights than his infamous shift in Columbus.

Any of the guys worried about Dubois in this thread haven’t hated on him. They just cautioned that there is red flags there, that’s it. I haven’t seen any of those guys say no to Dubois at the right price.

But there’s this narrative that people keep defending for no reason.

I’d take Dubois, but the red flags are enough for me to say I wouldn’t make him the highest paid player on the team. Considering the reasons, that would be the wrong message to send.

NS is viewed as the leader on ice, off ice, and that should be reflected in their Cap structure until a more talented player comes along or the Cap goes up. PLD is not that player - he might not even be a center on the depth chart.

If he won’t accept < 8, use the trade package on a top 6 winger.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

How’s Jack a quitter though? Buffalo didn’t want him to have the surgery he needed…

Because it fits the argument, I guess.

 

[EveryDay]

Four trade destinations to watch for Winnipeg Jets center Pierre-Luc Dubois

The high demand for Dubois’ power forward skill set should offset Winnipeg’s perceived lack of leverage.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

No. I mean, their whole team was built rather than drafted. That's what I mean.

Yeah - I agree with you. They got SUCH a good deal at the expansion draft, and then didn't have to lose anybody in the second expansion draft. Would be great to have had those advantages for the Habs. Unfortunately, the league won't let any established team get that advantage. But good point, to get an expansion draft would be a great deal.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

You should ask this question to the people who are calling Dubois a quitter since those people are the same ones who called Eichel a quitter.

Seems like you are the person calling Eichel a quitter

 

[Colezuki]

Four trade destinations to watch for Winnipeg Jets center Pierre-Luc Dubois

The high demand for Dubois’ power forward skill set should offset Winnipeg’s perceived lack of leverage.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

I do continue to wonder if the LA rumors are simply Bergevin doing his boy brisson a solid

 

[EveryDay]

I do continue to wonder if the LA rumors are simply Bergevin doing his boy brisson a solid

Honestly it doesn't make any sense cap wise and their center line is pretty good already with:

Kopitar
Danault
Byfield
Lizotte/Kupari

Even their offence as a whole a pretty solid(top10 last year) but in the net they are one of the worst team in the NHL with Copley as a starter right now.

They need to invest their tight cap into another goaltender IMO since their Offence and denfence are already pretty strong.

Maybe Adin Hill as a UFA or Andersen?

 

[Richiebottles]

I do continue to wonder if the LA rumors are simply Bergevin doing his boy brisson a solid

IMO, it's Brisson trying to drive up the contract price for the Habs.

All the smoke has always been around us and LA suddenly appears out of nowhere and MB is linked to the team??.

I think it's all a brillant move by the agent to drive up the price.

 

[Habs13]

I do continue to wonder if the LA rumors are simply Bergevin doing his boy brisson a solid

Or trying to prevent Montreal becoming a better team than he could build over a full decade. Sour grapes type thing.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Dubois isn't a quitter
You live in Columbus and Winnipeg then get back to us

He's literally a quitter.

Boohoo poor guy makes 3 million bucks to play hockey for a living and has entire summers off.

He's allowed to pursue free agency and tell Winnipeg he dosent want to resign but the way he left columbus was just pure quitting on the guys in the locker room and the coach thats just sad and a big red flag.

He's a quitter , doesn't mean he's not a good hockey player.
I'm all for player empowerment but quitting on your team? That's soft as hell. I just call em like i see em.

There are succesful NHL'ers around the league who have mood swings that directly impact their on ice performance , see JT miller as an example. I believe Dubois is just like that. Not a negative or a positive its just factual

 

[Schooner Guy]

But he did quit. He had one of the most embarassing shifts I’ve seen in pro hockey and was traded immediately after.

He mailed it in again this year in the playoffs for the Jets. Was completely disengaged in Games 4 and 5. Got called out by another veteran coach immediately after elimination.

Imagine getting paid that much money and to just decide to work hard only when you feel like it.

There is now a 6-year sample size of an enigmatic underachiever with extremely inconsistent effort and performance.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

He mailed it in again this year in the playoffs for the Jets. Was completely disengaged in Games 4 and 5. Got called out by another veteran coach immediately after elimination.

Imagine getting paid that much money and to just decide to work hard only when you feel like it.

There is now a 6-year sample of an enigmatic underachiever with extremely inconsistent effort and performance.

Yup , On the flip side , some dudes are just wired like that . Maybe he really gives his 100% every shift for us once he does come here but to think there is no risk that the guy pouts or something 2 years into his deal here is just nonsense the risk is there the guys personality is well documented