Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Habs Halifax]

Don't see why the Jets wouldn't let teams talk to Brisson to get a extension and better trade return?

It's tricky and GM's avoid it. You loose leverage and give it to the agent. Usually, you agree on a trade and then allow them to talk. Not the other way around. As a GM, it could snow ball on you if the extension falls through and you are giving other teams information that could make it worse for you.

In the Dubois case, it's very possible the Jets open it up for other teams to talk extension due to the Montreal rumor factor. They need 2 or 3 teams in the mix to hold his trade value high.

 

[Adam Michaels]

So Suzuki signed as a 40-point player and we are supposed to ignore the fact that it was done in 56 games, but for PLD we always have to add the caveat that his pro-rated production was 71 points. Seems fair.

And yet pro-rated, PLD was on pace to have a better season than Suzuki was at the time he's set to sign a new deal.

You're pumping Suzuki's tires (as you should), but in the process, you're trying to deflate PLD's like he's some useless plug.

 

[Sorinth]

And yet pro-rated, PLD was on pace to have a better season than Suzuki was at the time he's set to sign a new deal.

You're pumping Suzuki's tires (as you should), but in the process, you're trying to deflate PLD's like he's some useless plug.

How is saying PLD's a 60-70 point player equivalent to calling him a useless plug?

 

[Belial]

How is saying PLD's a 60-70 point player equivalent to calling him a useless plug?

What are you even trying to prove then?

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Byfield+ a late first and some B prospect for 8 years of Dubois? Are you kidding me? Where do I sign? LA is trying to win now so they will have to go all in...

Where this rumour of Byfield comes from? I mean of course, if Byfield is in the mix, Mtl have no chance. But Byfield comes from an hockey geek on his keyboard or a respected hockey analyst with real infos?

 

[Belial]

Where this rumour of Byfield comes from? I mean of course, if Byfield is in the mix, Mtl have no chance. But Byfield comes from an hockey geek on his keyboard or a respected hockey analyst with real infos?

We just supposed that Byfield was on the table. Relax

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

How is saying PLD's a 60-70 point player equivalent to calling him a useless plug?

Because he have a keyboard and he wrote it. No explanation needed. He's a 63 pts player, a bum, a mediocre player and a plug. Next time you see a 60 pts player, call him a plug.

I have a question : do we give too much importance to any poster here who write things like this?

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

We just supposed that Byfield was on the table. Relax

Ok, so I say welcome to myself to the paralell world of hfboards and theirs keyboards in the basement of dad and mom, lol. A world where Dach is on the table, Byfield or any other from the imagination of a dude.

 

[Belial]

Ok, so I say welcome to myself to the paralell world of hfboards and theirs keyboards in the basement of dad and mom, lol. A world where Dach is on the table, Byfield or any other from the imagination of a dude.

Dach is not on the table!

 

[Milhouse40]

To make it work, LA would need to get rid of some salary or send pretty much the same amount the other way and just like MTL, why would they pay premium if Dubois is on his very, very short list?

Having said that, I only Adrian Kempe being the one but not sure it makes a whole lot of sense for them to trade a 40 goals scorer earning 5.5M. Overall, I just don't think it makes sense for them

 

[HABitual Fan]

What's the logic though? He just had to accept his QO and become UFA at the end of the year...

There are many factors that it is logical for him to avoid this situation. If he is truly unhappy in Winnipeg he wants out as soon as possible. Signing the QO is a danger if he has a worse season this year so you are asking him to bet on himself. There is no job security in signing the QO, what if he has an injury? All he will have in his pocket is a guarantee for the current season with nothing owed him, not by the team or insurance going forward.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

i want Dubois but i like Dach's potentiel more hes shoudlnt go nowhere if LA is ready to give Byfield then too bad we're out

i think PLD is more of a luxury then need i like our top 2 centers of Dach and Suzuki just gottta surround them well

X - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Dach - X
X - Beck - Anderson

pick #5 should give us a top 6 forward and then we have Roy,Heineman and Mesar who can fill the rest plus UFAs or trades so we can survive without a Dubois trade

 

[Vachon23]

To make it work, LA would need to get rid of some salary or send pretty much the same amount the other way and just like MTL, why would they pay premium if Dubois is on his very, very short list?

Having said that, I only Adrian Kempe being the one but not sure it makes a whole lot of sense for them to trade a 40 goals scorer earning 5.5M. Overall, I just don't think it makes sense for them

Arvidsson could be in the deal

i want Dubois but i like Dach's potentiel more hes shoudlnt go nowhere if LA is ready to give Byfield then too bad we're out

i think PLD is more of a luxury then need i like our top 2 centers of Dach and Suzuki just gottta surround them well

X - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Dach - X
X - Beck - Anderson

pick #5 should give us a top 6 forward and then we have Roy,Heineman and Mesar who can fill the rest plus UFAs or trades so we can survive without a Dubois trade

Dubois would be a perfect fit with Suzuki and Caufield

 

[JHabs]

I honestly think doing nothing and just picking Leonard as the baseline is a pretty good situation to be in next year.

Slaf-Suzuki-Caufield
Farrell - Dach - Leonard.

OR

Caufield - Suzuki - Leonard
Slaf - Dach - Anderson

Whichever way you slice it, it's still a good top 6

 

[Belial]

There are many factors that it is logical for him to avoid this situation. If he is truly unhappy in Winnipeg he wants out as soon as possible. Signing the QO is a danger if he has a worse season this year so you are asking him to bet on himself. There is no job security in signing the QO, what if he has an injury? All he will have in his pocket is a guarantee for the current season with nothing owed him, not by the team or insurance going forward.

He'll get paid on potential still, he's in his prime.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Dubois would be a perfect fit with Suzuki and Caufield

ive said it a millions times i agree but not for Dach

I honestly think doing nothing and just picking Leonard as the baseline is a pretty good situation to be in next year.

Slaf-Suzuki-Caufield
Farrell - Dach - Leonard.

OR

Caufield - Suzuki - Leonard
Slaf - Dach - Anderson

Whichever way you slice it, it's still a good top 6

Farrell shoudlnt be in our top 6 and Leonard will be in the NCAA next year

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

To make it work, LA would need to get rid of some salary or send pretty much the same amount the other way and just like MTL, why would they pay premium if Dubois is on his very, very short list?

Having said that, I only Adrian Kempe being the one but not sure it makes a whole lot of sense for them to trade a 40 goals scorer earning 5.5M. Overall, I just don't think it makes sense for them

Kempe is a keeper for LA. One of best pts regular of the team. He's very good when he have a good game.

 

[Vachon23]

ve said it a millions times i agree but not for Dach

Of course not

 

[Adam Michaels]

To make it work, LA would need to get rid of some salary or send pretty much the same amount the other way and just like MTL, why would they pay premium if Dubois is on his very, very short list?

Having said that, I only Adrian Kempe being the one but not sure it makes a whole lot of sense for them to trade a 40 goals scorer earning 5.5M. Overall, I just don't think it makes sense for them

Exactly how I see it. Whether Montreal, LA or another team, salary will be going the other way. And it will be a roster player who can step into Jet's line-up now and be ready to keep them competitive.

It won't just be picks, prospects or young NHL'ers on their ELCs. And the salary they take back won't only be cap dumps.

The thing about the Jets is that the players they have to decide if they move them because they're approaching UFA is that they're prime assets. So they can get a little bit of everything in trades.

 

[HABitual Fan]

He'll get paid on potential still, he's in his prime.

No, he will be one year closer to exiting it, and at that age you stop paying for potential which I have previously shown is rare beyond age 25. You asked for the logic of not signing the QO, and then chose to ignore every point except salary.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Of course not

thats all i said

im all for trading Florida/Calgary 1st + Beck + Dvorak/Armia or something like that

But if LA come in and offer Byfield we cant beat that unless we give Dach in which we shoudlnt

 

[Habs Halifax]

thats all i said

im all for trading Florida/Calgary 1st + Beck + Dvorak/Armia or something like that

But if LA come in and offer Byfield we cant beat that unless we give Dach in which we shoudlnt

I'm pretty sure the Jets asked for Dach last draft in any Dubois trade talks and we didn't do it. If we didn't do it last draft, we will not do this a year later after seeing how he has improved with us. Dach is safe. Doubt we would be trading him.

Will the Kings offer Byfield and will the Jets bite on his potential like we did with Dach? Also, what contracts and other pieces are the Kings trying to send?

I can see the Kings considering both Dubois and Helle and in that case, they might trade Byfield. Got to make the salary cap work but it's possible.

No, he will be one year closer to exiting it, and at that age you stop paying for potential which I have previously shown is rare beyond age 25. You asked for the logic of not signing the QO, and then chose to ignore every point except salary.

For a player like Dubois, points will come and go depending on team talent around him. He's reached his potential already in terms of what he does beyond the points narrative. His points are going to be like Suzuki. 60-80 range with a possible few seasons north of 80 when you look back.

If we really like Suzuki, we should like Dubois as well. We are interested but not desperate.

 

[Milhouse40]

Arvidsson could be in the deal

Yes but Jets has no interest in him cause he's UFA at the end of the year, they want roster players with terms or some they have control over, so he would basically have negative value for them

 

[HABitual Fan]

I'm pretty sure the Jets asked for Dach last draft in any Dubois trade talks and we didn't do it. If we didn't do it last draft, we will not do this a year later after seeing how he has improved with us. Dach is safe. Doubt we would be trading him.

Will the Kings offer Byfield and will the Jets bite on his potential like we did with Dach? Also, what contracts and other pieces are the Kings trying to send?

I can see the Kings considering both Dubois and Helle and in that case, they might trade Byfield. Got to make the salary cap work but it's possible.



For a player like Dubois, points will come and go depending on team talent around him. He's reached his potential already in terms of what he does beyond the points narrative. His points are going to be like Suzuki. 60-80 range with a possible few seasons north of 80 when you look back.

If we really like Suzuki, we should like Dubois as well. We are interested but not desperate.

No chance, if he hasn't managed it till now with much better linemates than Suzuki had had in his career, I wouldn't put much stock in it happening going forward. he may hit 70 points in the next year or so, but that is as high as I see him reaching.

 

[Milhouse40]

I'm pretty sure the Jets asked for Dach last draft in any Dubois trade talks and we didn't do it. If we didn't do it last draft, we will not do this a year later after seeing how he has improved with us. Dach is safe. Doubt we would be trading him.

Will the Kings offer Byfield and will the Jets bite on his potential like we did with Dach? Also, what contracts and other pieces are the Kings trying to send?

I can see the Kings considering both Dubois and Helle and in that case, they might trade Byfield. Got to make the salary cap work but it's possible.

Doubt it....Dach wasn't a Habs yet and if we believe the rumors, Habs switched their interest to Dach after Dubois' deal fell through