Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[SwiftyHab]

36 Minute mark.

Sounds like LA will take a run at PLD.

Attack of the Berg!!!

 

[Gillings]

What I see is a big PF who can put 70 pts + that can play both LW/C (Dach and Suzuki are both RH center) U25 yrs

That's not type of player that is available each year and even less a player that is interested in playing in MTL

Again, for 8 years 8+ no way no thank you not PLD.. You can't just be looking at his big 70+ point potential.. is he seriously a player who you think gives his ALL to this team for 8 years????

 

[Vachon23]

Again, for 8 years 8+ no way no thank you not PLD.. You can't just be looking at his big 70+ point potential.. is he seriously a player who you think gives his ALL to this team for 8 years????

8m will quickly become like 6m for this year

And yes I do think he’s gonna give all what he can to this teams for the 8 years.

He could have stayed on the injury list on a contract year with a team that he won’t play for again but he decided to comeback even if he was far from being at 100% just to help the Jets making the playoffs

 

[Adam Michaels]

I think everyone knows that Pierre-Luc Dubois won't be a saviour

But he's a really good player that fit the same groupe of age of our core players and how many players of that caliber have wanted to play in MTL in the past 25 years ? That's something that need to be take in considerations, we probably won't have that opportunity again to sign a long-term deal to a player of PLD caliber.


Why ? PLD is only 1 year older then Suzuki

If the thinking is always "he's not going to be our savior," those people will never be ready to acquire anyone or sign a free agent. Because one player won't turn it all around. But adding Player A, then Player B, then bringing in Players XYZ will altogether be difference makers.

And others who think "he doesn't make us a contender," will simply want the Habs to tank every year and then suddenly become a perennial contender at the snap of a finger.

You need to build the team whether via draft, trade or free agency. Every move doesn't have to be the "one" that changes the team's fortunes at the turn of a dime.

And potentially adding PLD will be part of the building blocks. He won't be the missing block that completes it all.

 

[Guy Larose]

On the other hand he doesn't have as good a reputation as Caufield and Suzuki especially in terms of playoffs and in Dubois's case the contract is more about paying for what you've done instead of paying for what you might do compared to those other two.

Playoffs
PLD - GP 38 - PTS 26
Nick - GP 32 - PTS 23
Cole - GP 20 - PTS 12

Pretty comparable

 

[Vachon23]

If the thinking is always "he's not going to be our savior," those people will never be ready to acquire anyone or sign a free agent. Because one player won't turn it all around. But adding Player A, then Player B, then bringing in Players XYZ will altogether be difference makers.

And others who think "he doesn't make us a contender," will simply want the Habs to tank every year and then suddenly become a perennial contender at the snap of a finger.

You need to build the team whether via draft, trade or free agency. Every move doesn't have to be the "one" that changes the team's fortunes at the turn of a dime.

And potentially adding PLD will be part of the building blocks. He won't be the missing block to completes it all.

And it does bring something we don't have. I mean trading for Debrincat would't make that much sense since we have Caufield.

But PLD brings a net presence what we don't really have and he can help our Center for draws if we play him on the wing since he's LH and both of our Center are RH. He can brings that physical presence on our top 6 that we don't have too (he needs to do it in a more consistant way though)

 

[Adam Michaels]

Again, for 8 years 8+ no way no thank you not PLD.. You can't just be looking at his big 70+ point potential.. is he seriously a player who you think gives his ALL to this team for 8 years????

It's fair that you prefer not bringing him for that amount of years and for that cap hit. I disagree, but we don't have to agree on that.

But what gives you the impression that he wouldn't give it his all if he's here for 7-8 years?

 

[waitin425]

So according to the main board, LA is in the running.

I hope Hugo keep their heads about them and don't do anything stupid.

Some type of combination of Florida 1st, Dvorak, Beck, Harris, Roy, Mesar, Kidney, Engstrom. These are the assets I'd be okay departing with varying degrees of value and combinations.

NO DACH!

8 years in the 8 mil range.

If LA does better for both Winnipeg and PLD, than so be it!

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Don't do anything Stupid Kent, let him go to LA!!!

Go after Keller

 

[Milhouse40]

You guys hope to see Suzuki hit the 80-85+ points a season?

Then put someone like PLD as center (And I mean like him, doesn't have to be him either) on the team and you'll get your 85+ points player......or we can just keep using Suzuki to run after the Matthews, McDavid, Hughes and company every single games with Caufield next to him and keep hurting their production.

LA did it with Danault to help Kopitar, who had his 2 best seasons offensively in a about 4-5 years cause he wasn't alone anymore to do the heavy lifting.

Dach is good, no doubt, but that 1-2 punch forced Suzuki in taking all the heavy lifting.

 

[Runner77]

Go after Keller

Interesting juxtaposition — would the package needed to trade for Dubois (assume a sign & trade) be less, similar or more than the package needed to trade for Keller?

Of course, two players with different attributes but just on the question of outgoing assets, wondering how close it might be.

 

[Adam Michaels]

So according to the main board, LA is in the running.

I hope Hugo keep their heads about them and don't do anything stupid.

Some type of combination of Florida 1st, Dvorak, Beck, Harris, Roy, Mesar, Kidney, Engstrom. These are the assets I'd be okay departing with varying degrees of value and combinations.

NO DACH!

8 years in the 8 mil range.

If LA does better for both Winnipeg and PLD, than so be it!

Exactly how it should be. Don't sell the farm for him. Just take a fair run and if LA outbids you (or any other team for that matter) because you're not going to add more and more pieces to the deal because you're in a bidding war, then let him go elsewhere.

If Florida's pick was the 17th pick, the prospect you can give in the deal wouldn't have to be a top prospect. But since the pick would be 31st or 32nd, then you would have to part ways with one of your better prospects in order to make the deal more enticing.

Don't do anything Stupid Kent, let him go to LA!!!

Go after Keller

Keller would be a dream, too. But he'd cost more to acquire than PLD would.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Interesting juxtaposition — would the package needed to trade for Dubois (assume a sign & trade) be less, similar or more than the package needed to trade for Keller?

Of course, two players with different attributes but just on the question of outgoing assets, wondering how close it might be.

Well I would think Keller might cost an extra asset considering he is inked for another 4 years and at a reasonable cap hit. But I definitely think he is worth it

 

[dinodebino]

@dinodebino — don’t PM him, whatever you tell him will end up on Twitter!

I think our buddy is well plugged!

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

So according to the main board, LA is in the running.

I hope Hugo keep their heads about them and don't do anything stupid.

Some type of combination of Florida 1st, Dvorak, Beck, Harris, Roy, Mesar, Kidney, Engstrom. These are the assets I'd be okay departing with varying degrees of value and combinations.

NO DACH!

8 years in the 8 mil range.

If LA does better for both Winnipeg and PLD, than so be it!

...throw that Calgary 1st rounder in there as well (and take Beck out)...

 

[waitin425]

...throw that Calgary 1st rounder in there as well (and take Beck out)...

Oh yeah....I'd throw the Calgary first rounder in there, but if that gets added to the equation with all the conditions attached, HFboards is likely to crash based on key stroke usage.

Beck is awesome, but projects as a third line centre max. PLD is a very solid #2. Beck might be the piece that has to go.

 

[dinodebino]

Dach would be a lot to give. He seemed to be coming into his own. Although he was injured again and did not complete the season. That’s the mystery box: give up on Dach, who has the potential to become another PDL, or get to PLD right away, who’s a known quantity.

 

[Hannibal]

I really hope we land him!

 

[Runner77]

I think our buddy is well plugged!

I think so too. He’s got some interesting material.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Oh yeah....I'd throw the Calgary first rounder in there, but if that gets added to the equation with all the conditions attached, HFboards is likely to crash based on key stroke usage.

Beck is awesome, but projects as a third line centre max. PLD is a very solid #2. Beck might be the piece that has to go.

...Beck looks like one of those guys that you win with...scoring is great, but when you are getting it done well at both ends of the ice, that's just as important, imo...much the same as giving up on Dach for PLD; Dach has that potential to be an all-around better player that can do it all at both ends (he just needs to learn how to win a freakin' faceoff)...we have a young, exciting team for the first time in A LONG TIME; let's not "give up the farm" for a GOOD, not GREAT, commodity when we aren't "there" yet...

 

[Runner77]

...Beck looks like one of those guys that you win with...scoring is great, but when you are getting it done well at both ends of the ice, that's just as important, imo...much the same as giving up on Dach for PLD; Dach has that potential to be an all-around better player that can do it all at both ends (he just needs to learn how to win a freakin' faceoff)...we have a young, exciting team for the first time in A LONG TIME; let's not "give up the farm" for a GOOD, not GREAT, commodity when we aren't "there" yet...

I’d like to hold on to Beck for the reasons you gave. Plus, I’d want to see how far we can take his development. Beck is a no-go for me too.

 

[SlafySZN]

You guys hope to see Suzuki hit the 80-85+ points a season?

Then put someone like PLD as center (And I mean like him, doesn't have to be him either) on the team and you'll get your 85+ points player......or we can just keep using Suzuki to run after the Matthews, McDavid, Hughes and company every single games with Caufield next to him and keep hurting their production.

LA did it with Danault to help Kopitar, who had his 2 best seasons offensively in a about 4-5 years cause he wasn't alone anymore to do the heavy lifting.

Dach is good, no doubt, but that 1-2 punch forced Suzuki in taking all the heavy lifting.

Not true, at C, Dach was playing 20 minutes a night. Ottawa’s coach even said Dach is the guy they were trying to contain.

 

[CHwest]

It's fair that you prefer not bringing him for that amount of years and for that cap hit. I disagree, but we don't have to agree on that.

But what gives you the impression that he wouldn't give it his all if he's here for 7-8 years?

 

[Gustave]

Did you guys and gals see the Orlov alleged ask of 8 millions AAV?

I’m going to have to re-assess my mental threshold of what a « too rich » contract is…

PLD might be on to something

 

[waitin425]

I’d like to hold on to Beck for the reasons you gave. Plus, I’d want to see how far we can take his development. Beck is a no-go for me too.

...Beck looks like one of those guys that you win with...scoring is great, but when you are getting it done well at both ends of the ice, that's just as important, imo...much the same as giving up on Dach for PLD; Dach has that potential to be an all-around better player that can do it all at both ends (he just needs to learn how to win a freakin' faceoff)...we have a young, exciting team for the first time in A LONG TIME; let's not "give up the farm" for a GOOD, not GREAT, commodity when we aren't "there" yet...

I'd like to hold onto Beck too. But if Chevy calls Hugo and says....this is the final offer....31st + Beck, you guys would say no?