Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Milhouse40]

Define minimal assets though...

For me it's any asset that don't have 65-70 points upside in the NHL.

Prospect are not Pokemon, we don't need to catch them all and as it stands, half of what we have, we won't need down the road and won't even be able to play them anyway.

For example: Farrell, Mesar, RHP

Because of their size, at least 2 of them don't have their place on this team down the road.
We already have Caufield that is a lock, Gallagher that we're stuck with. Hutson which is expected next year....... one more small guy is pretty much the max we can carry. Pick which one, the other two can be traded.

 

[River Meadow]

For me is any asset that don't have 65-70 points upside in the NHL.

Prospect are ot Pokemon, we don't need to catch them all and as it stands, half of what we have, we won't need down the road and won't even be able to play them anyway.

For example: Farrell, Mesar, RHP
Because of their size, at least 2 of them don't have their place on this team down the road.
We already have Caufield that is a lock, Gallagher that we're stuck with. Hutson which is expected next year....... one more small guy is pretty much the max we can carry. Pick which one, the other two can be traded.

I may be OK with giving up Farrell.. I think he's way too small for our team, tbh.

I want to keep Mesar/RHP for now, def do NOT want to trade them for PLD.

Absolutely we are NOT trading Beck for PLD either.

 

[Vachon23]

I want to keep Mesar/RHP for now, def do NOT want to trade them for PLD.

Absolutely we are NOT trading Beck for PLD either.

Mesar and Beck are not untouchable in PLD deal.. The chances that those guys become as valuable then PLD is under 15 %

Hutson, Mailloux (I know I have major concern on him but go the tools and I want to see him 1 yr pro before moving him) are the only prospect I would't touch in a PLD deal

 

[River Meadow]

Mesar and Beck are not untouchable in PLD deal.. The chances that those guys become as valuable then PLD is under 15 %

Hutson, Mailloux (I know I have major concern on him but go the tools and I want to see him 1 yr pro before moving him) are the only prospect I would't touch in a PLD deal

See, that's where I go...

No thank you.

We don't NEED PLD that badly.

 

[JHabs]

Define minimal assets though...

Without giving a top 10 pick in any year, nor giving up any of the core pieces (Dach, Slaf, Caufield, Guhle, etc...)

I keep coming back to to it, but a package around FLA First, Dvorak, Norlinder, Barron or Struble+ - this obviously isn't the final picture, but none of those assets I would consider to be Major. Even if you tossed in Mesar or Beck in there, I think you still do it.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Mesar and Beck are not untouchable in PLD deal.. The chances that those guys become as valuable then PLD is under 15 %

Hutson, Mailloux (I know I have major concern on him but go the tools and I want to see him 1 yr pro before moving him) are the only prospect I would't touch in a PLD deal

Beck does not have to be as good as Dunbois to make him untouchable in a Dubois deal. If he is a Doug Jarvis 3c he should be untouchable especially for a questionable talent like Dubois. And also Dubois is not completely necessary with Suzuki, Dach, Beck, #5 pick and Davidson.

 

[Milhouse40]

I may be OK with giving up Farrell.. I think he's way too small for our team, tbh.

I want to keep Mesar/RHP for now, def do NOT want to trade them for PLD.

Absolutely we are NOT trading Beck for PLD either.

Maybe not Beck.....but even then.....if we end up with Suzuki, Dubois and Dach down the middle, I could care less about Beck as he won't have a spot anyway.....but if you keep Beck, then we don't need Kidney or Mysak at all

My point is just that we have so many prospects (and pick) we don't need that much so I'm not scared to giving away some of them since most of them don't have 65 points upside.

 

[River Meadow]

Without giving a top 10 pick in any year, nor giving up any of the core pieces (Dach, Slaf, Caufield, Guhle, etc...)

I keep coming back to to it, but a package around FLA First, Dvorak, Norlinder, Barron or Struble+ - this obviously isn't the final picture, but none of those assets I would consider to be Major. Even if you tossed in Mesar or Beck in there, I think you still do it.

I don't love and value PLD like some of y'all.

Pass for me.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Yeah, last thing PLD wants is give Winnipeg an opportunity to match which they will surely do. There will be no offer sheet.

Winnipeg will take him to arbitration in the 2nd window if no deal is reached before, making him intelligible for an offer sheet

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Maybe not Beck.....but even then.....if we end up with Suzuki, Dubois and Dach down the middle, I could care less about Beck as he won't have a spot anyway.....but if you keep Beck, then we don't need Kidney or Mysak at all

My point is just that we have so many prospects (and pick) we don't need that much so I'm not scared to giving away some of them since most of them don't have 65 points upside.

True but the key is to move the right prospects.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Just about the last non-roster player, non-Hutson prospect I'd include.

(Tbh it's either him or Mailloux, and my reasoning is that Mailloux' value as a trade chip is almost certainly lower than his value as a hockey player/prospect, or else it would be clearly Beck).


A team can't force a player under contrct to play.
But a team can toll a contract. There's a very well established precedent for that in the NHL.

You can't just toll a contract in food faith if a player is presumed injured. That's one way to guarantee players never sign with your organization in the future. Now if he outright says, "I'm not playing, everything is fine with me but I'm just going to skip the year" yeah you're 100% correct but I was going off the assumption that he has a valid reason not to in his POV no matter the level of embellishment there is

 

[Vachon23]

Beck does not have to be as good as Dunbois to make him untouchable in a Dubois deal. If he is a Doug Jarvis 3c he should be untouchable especially for a questionable talent like Dubois. And also Dubois is not completely necessary with Suzuki, Dach, Beck, #5 pick and Davidson.

I mean Dubois is not a questionable talent.. he's as good as anybody in the Habs.

I like Beck don't get me wrong, but a #3 C is easier to find then a PF like PLD. Draft someone like David Edstrom at 69 and you could have your futur #3 C with him too

See, that's where I go...

No thank you.

We don't NEED PLD that badly.

I respect your opinion

I will agree to disagree on that subject

 

[BLONG7]

I don't love and value PLD like some of y'all.

Pass for me.

I would not want to see Beck go either............but have a feeling he could be the guy who does......
We have other assets to throw at the Jets..................and it all depends on the contract demands too.

 

[Vachon23]

One scenario I think about yesterday.

Friedman report that Noah Hanifin could be available and we know that CGY really like Anderson. Could they work a 3 way deal including Anderson to CGY, Hanifin to WIN and PLD to MTL with obviously other pieces included ?

 

[BLONG7]

Hey guys, sorry about this.................but what is toll a contract?

 

[MXD]

You can't just toll a contract in food faith if a player is presumed injured.

Again, there's no way this situation doesn't go through a more serious independant assessment.

 

[MXD]

Hey guys, sorry about this.................but what is toll a contract?

Basically what happened to Nabokov a few years ago.

He was signed mid-season to a 1-year deal by the Wings, but had to pass through waivers due to signing date, and then claimed on waivers by the Islanders. He refused to report, and then suspended, but the Islanders "tolled" his contract, meaning the end-date was pushed back a year.

 

[SwiftyHab]

There won't be an offer sheet, Dubois will not accept it cause if the Habs place an offer sheet, Dubois signed it, then Jets could simply agree to that offer sheet and he's stuck there for another year (or longer depending on the offer)

Not going to happen

Why would they match it and get nothing as he walks?

 

[Vachon23]

Why would they match it and get nothing as he walks?

Because he would't walk if Winnipeg match a multiple year offer, he would be stock there

 

[SwiftyHab]

Because he would't walk if Winnipeg match a multiple year offer, he would be stock there

we’re talking about a 1 year under $7M offersheet that gets him right to UFA status next year.

If Winnipeg matches, they lose him for nothing.

 

[BLONG7]

Why would they match it and get nothing as he walks?

They have lost all leverage...............Chevy, you are up.

 

[MXD]

we’re talking about a 1 year under $7M offersheet that gets him right to UFA status next year.

If Winnipeg matches, they lose him for nothing.

I think Dubois stating that he wouldn't play in Winnipeg make this scenario not super interesting for the Jets.

 

[JHabs]

One scenario I think about yesterday.

Friedman report that Noah Hanifin could be available and we know that CGY really like Anderson. Could they work a 3 way deal including Anderson to CGY, Hanifin to WIN and PLD to MTL with obviously other pieces included ?

This would make a ton of sense.

No matter how you slice it, say you draft Leonard, and acquire PLD, you also have Slaf who needs minutes, where is Anderson playing? He's not meant for 3rd line duties. In a vaccum he's a 2nd line winger made for playoff hockey.

I could definitely see that type of deal.

 

[lillypad33]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. So stop telling people what to post about, to talk in the rude way you did. Fascist.

Everybody entitled to their opinion. Also, people entitled to tell people how ludicrous some opinions are
If Montreal trade the 5th overall for him then the GM gets fired.
If Dubois signs for 5 million his agent gets fired.

 

[Milhouse40]

Why would they match it and get nothing as he walks?

Why would Carolina offer sheet KK???
Sometimes is just to piss him off too, but that only works if it's a one year deal which would put the also the Habs in a dangerous position as he could also walk at the end of the year