Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Vachon23]

Alright, some decent sized bombshells in this article by Apon Basu and MA Godin on The Athletic: What we’re hearing on the Canadiens, Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart

If you don't have a subscription, it basically boils down to this:

- Jets aren't going to go to arb with PLD. He will be traded before summer's done.

- PLD will submit a list of 5-6 teams he'll sign long-term with and the Jets will facilitate that, and the Habs are going to be a team on that list. The Jets will then sign him to an 8 year deal based on the contract he negotiates with said team and trade him to that team (because he can't get 8 years with anyone but WIN).

- PLD would want more money to go to a "rebuilding team" over a contender and is said to want in the avenue of 9 million a year using Barzal, Hintz, and Matt Tkachuk as comparables.

- PLD considers himself a C but the position he plays won't be a factor in where he goes.

- Jets will want established NHLers in any return.

Based on ALL OF THIS info, now that it has clearly become a 5-6 team race, I do not want any part of PLD now. He is going to cost way too much money in both assets and cap for what he brings.

And what did they said on Carter Hart ?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Alright, some decent sized bombshells in this article by Apon Basu and MA Godin on The Athletic: What we’re hearing on the Canadiens, Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart

If you don't have a subscription, it basically boils down to this:

- Jets aren't going to go to arb with PLD. He will be traded before summer's done.

- PLD will submit a list of 5-6 teams he'll sign long-term with and the Jets will facilitate that, and the Habs are going to be a team on that list. The Jets will then sign him to an 8 year deal based on the contract he negotiates with said team and trade him to that team (because he can't get 8 years with anyone but WIN).

- PLD would want more money to go to a "rebuilding team" over a contender and is said to want in the avenue of 9 million a year using Barzal, Hintz, and Matt Tkachuk as comparables.

- PLD considers himself a C but the position he plays won't be a factor in where he goes.

- Jets will want established NHLers in any return.

Based on ALL OF THIS info, now that it has clearly become a 5-6 team race, I do not want any part of PLD now. He is going to cost way too much money in both assets and cap for what he brings.

Yeah, there's like a 5% chance we are getting PLD now.

That landscape is not a favorable one for the Habs and I doubt Hughes gets there.

And what did they said on Carter Hart ?

Non-starter, they have no interested and are more inclined to re-sign Monty.

 

[sampollock]

Alright, some decent sized bombshells in this article by Apon Basu and MA Godin on The Athletic: What we’re hearing on the Canadiens, Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart

If you don't have a subscription, it basically boils down to this:

- Jets aren't going to go to arb with PLD. He will be traded before summer's done.

- PLD will submit a list of 5-6 teams he'll sign long-term with and the Jets will facilitate that, and the Habs are going to be a team on that list. The Jets will then sign him to an 8 year deal based on the contract he negotiates with said team and trade him to that team (because he can't get 8 years with anyone but WIN).

- PLD would want more money to go to a "rebuilding team" over a contender and is said to want in the avenue of 9 million a year using Barzal, Hintz, and Matt Tkachuk as comparables.

- PLD considers himself a C but the position he plays won't be a factor in where he goes.

- Jets will want established NHLers in any return.

Based on ALL OF THIS info, now that it has clearly become a 5-6 team race, I do not want any part of PLD now. He is going to cost way too much money in both assets and cap for what he brings.

all those points to the habs may not get him.
"rebuilding team" is the habs

 

[BLONG7]

If teams ask chevy about PLD, and PLD says I won' sign there.... the list gets small

Chevy has no leverage.......................the other GM's will smell blood.

 

[le_sean]

Alright, some decent sized bombshells in this article by Apon Basu and MA Godin on The Athletic: What we’re hearing on the Canadiens, Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart

If you don't have a subscription, it basically boils down to this:

- Jets aren't going to go to arb with PLD. He will be traded before summer's done.

- PLD will submit a list of 5-6 teams he'll sign long-term with and the Jets will facilitate that, and the Habs are going to be a team on that list. The Jets will then sign him to an 8 year deal based on the contract he negotiates with said team and trade him to that team (because he can't get 8 years with anyone but WIN).

- PLD would want more money to go to a "rebuilding team" over a contender and is said to want in the avenue of 9 million a year using Barzal, Hintz, and Matt Tkachuk as comparables.

- PLD considers himself a C but the position he plays won't be a factor in where he goes.

- Jets will want established NHLers in any return.

Based on ALL OF THIS info, now that it has clearly become a 5-6 team race, I do not want any part of PLD now. He is going to cost way too much money in both assets and cap for what he brings.

Why would that change anything? 5-6 teams bidding means the bids won’t go that high. We’d be signing him to an 8 year deal anyways. Best to do it now than wait next summer. And we have lots of established NHLers that we want to get rid of for cap purposes. I don’t see how anything changes.

 

[sampollock]

seems to me reading the notes. that PLD would never sign a 7mil for 8 years.
so very unlikely the Habs get him

to keep him lower the Nick

 

[EveryDay]

Yeah, there's like a 5% chance we are getting PLD now.

That landscape is not a favorable one for the Habs and I doubt Hughes gets there.



Non-starter, they have no interested and are more inclined to re-sign Monty.

Yeah exactly and he's not worth 9M per season.... Good luck in Detroit Pierre-Luc.

 

[Saundies]

Why would that change anything? 5-6 teams bidding means the bids won’t go that high. We’d be signing him to an 8 year deal anyways. Best to do it now than wait next summer. And we have lots of established NHLers that we want to get rid of for cap purposes. I don’t see how anything changes.

If it was just "Habs or bust", the Jets had no leverage at all. They would have either had to hold on to PLD or trade him to the Habs for whatever we were willing to give them.

Now that it is a sign and trade for 8 years for multiple teams, the return has the potential to be massive. This isn't a team paying for a rental anymore, and thus not paying anything or way less than normal, it is paying for a guy locked in for 8 years at an insane price.

Nope, not interested.

 

[sandviper]

Alright, some decent sized bombshells in this article by Apon Basu and MA Godin on The Athletic: What we’re hearing on the Canadiens, Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart

If you don't have a subscription, it basically boils down to this:

- Jets aren't going to go to arb with PLD. He will be traded before summer's done.

- PLD will submit a list of 5-6 teams he'll sign long-term with and the Jets will facilitate that, and the Habs are going to be a team on that list. The Jets will then sign him to an 8 year deal based on the contract he negotiates with said team and trade him to that team (because he can't get 8 years with anyone but WIN).

- PLD would want more money to go to a "rebuilding team" over a contender and is said to want in the avenue of 9 million a year using Barzal, Hintz, and Matt Tkachuk as comparables.

- PLD considers himself a C but the position he plays won't be a factor in where he goes.

- Jets will want established NHLers in any return.

Based on ALL OF THIS info, now that it has clearly become a 5-6 team race, I do not want any part of PLD now. He is going to cost way too much money in both assets and cap for what he brings.

Yeah, if that’s his asking price, he can go elsewhere. Maybe his production will increase but his career high was 63 points, though I understand he was hurt. That being said, $9m for a 65 point player is too much.

 

[le_sean]

Barzal and Hintz???! Lol he's not at this level at all.....

I think Barzal proved that he’s overrated. He can’t lead a team to anything.

 

[Rapala]

Yeah exactly and he's not worth 9M per season.... Good luck in Detroit Pierre-Luc.

LOL He'll end up in Carolina. That team is desperate for a second line center not named Staal.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

all those points to the habs may not get him.
"rebuilding team" is the habs

Well if he had any preference for the Habs he might give them the contender contract. If he is going to submit a list of teams he will go to then he is not coming to the Habs because some team will offer more assets.

 

[Milhouse40]

Alright, some decent sized bombshells in this article by Apon Basu and MA Godin on The Athletic: What we’re hearing on the Canadiens, Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart

If you don't have a subscription, it basically boils down to this:

- Jets aren't going to go to arb with PLD. He will be traded before summer's done.

- PLD will submit a list of 5-6 teams he'll sign long-term with and the Jets will facilitate that, and the Habs are going to be a team on that list. The Jets will then sign him to an 8 year deal based on the contract he negotiates with said team and trade him to that team (because he can't get 8 years with anyone but WIN).

- PLD would want more money to go to a "rebuilding team" over a contender and is said to want in the avenue of 9 million a year using Barzal, Hintz, and Matt Tkachuk as comparables.

- PLD considers himself a C but the position he plays won't be a factor in where he goes.

- Jets will want established NHLers in any return.

Based on ALL OF THIS info, now that it has clearly become a 5-6 team race, I do not want any part of PLD now. He is going to cost way too much money in both assets and cap for what he brings.

Getting PLD was always under the best conditions and those are not it contract wise.
Don't have a problem with the 8 years but 9+M is almost a deal breaker.

As expected, they want NHLer in return which could be good in the sense that a guy like Anderson could be a target for them and not our futures.

But even then, that amount of $$$$$$ is really problematic, unless he's willing to give a 500-750K hometown discount, I don't see a path here.

 

[sampollock]

Yeah, if that’s his asking price, he can go elsewhere. Maybe his production will increase but his career high was 63 points, though I understand he was hurt. That being said, $9m for a 65 point player is too much.

that is the point

if he is over 7.5 for 8 years Kent will never trade for him or sign him
all of this thread is dead

 

[le_sean]

If it was just "Habs or bust", the Jets had no leverage at all. They would have either had to hold on to PLD or trade him to the Habs for whatever we were willing to give them.

Now that it is a sign and trade for 8 years for multiple teams, the return has the potential to be massive. This isn't a team paying for a rental anymore, and thus not paying anything or way less than normal, it is paying for a guy locked in for 8 years at an insane price.

Nope, not interested.

Damn, now we are nitpicking about acquiring a 60-70 point power forward that can play multiple positions and actually wants to play here. Let’s just keep holding on to prospects we vastly overrate that will likely not make much of an impact anyways.

 

[Kimota]

Alright, some decent sized bombshells in this article by Apon Basu and MA Godin on The Athletic: What we’re hearing on the Canadiens, Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart

If you don't have a subscription, it basically boils down to this:

- Jets aren't going to go to arb with PLD. He will be traded before summer's done.

- PLD will submit a list of 5-6 teams he'll sign long-term with and the Jets will facilitate that, and the Habs are going to be a team on that list. The Jets will then sign him to an 8 year deal based on the contract he negotiates with said team and trade him to that team (because he can't get 8 years with anyone but WIN).

- PLD would want more money to go to a "rebuilding team" over a contender and is said to want in the avenue of 9 million a year using Barzal, Hintz, and Matt Tkachuk as comparables.

- PLD considers himself a C but the position he plays won't be a factor in where he goes.

- Jets will want established NHLers in any return.

Based on ALL OF THIS info, now that it has clearly become a 5-6 team race, I do not want any part of PLD now. He is going to cost way too much money in both assets and cap for what he brings.

If it becomes this big derby between these 5 teams and the Jets want roster players, we simply do not have the horses to do this. Cause after we depart with these elements, we won't have much. We still have to have a team, right.

 

[le_sean]

that is the point

if he is over 7.5 for 8 years Kent will never trade for him or sign him
all of this thread is dead

Nope, not true.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

LOL He'll end up in Carolina. That team is desperate for a second line center not named Staal.

They are not. They can go with Aho, Necas, KK, Staal. Jarvis is a centre too. They need offensive forwards but they don't have to be centres.

 

[sampollock]

Damn, now we are nitpicking about acquiring a 60-70 point power forward that can play multiple positions and actually wants to play here. Let’s just keep holding on to prospects we vastly overrate that will likely not make much of an impact anyways.

agareed but if he wants huge coin.. it won't fit
sadly comes down to money

 

[Milhouse40]

seems to me reading the notes. that PLD would never sign a 7mil for 8 years.
so very unlikely the Habs get him

to keep him lower the Nick

Apparently Hugues clarified that part......Caufield was like Nick, coming out of his ELC but that doesn't affect others negociation as other deal have different parameters. There would be no rules that Suzuki has to be highest paid player on the team.

 

[Vachon23]

I would't have a problem with 8 x 8 for PLD, don't forget the cap is gonna go up by a lot in the next few years

 

[sampollock]

Apparently Hugues clarified that part......Caufield was like Nick, coming out of his ELC but that doesn't affect others negociation as other deal have different parameters. There would be no rules that Suzuki has to be highest paid player on the team.

thanks for the clarification

 

[WeThreeKings]

I would't have a problem with 8 x 8 for PLD, don't forget the cap is gonna go up by a lot in the next few years

He wants 9m from a rebuilding team.

He has created a climate with his agent that basically barred his way to Montreal.

 

[Rapala]

They are not. They can go with Aho, Necas, KK, Staal. Jarvis is a centre too. They need offensive forwards but they don't have to be centres.

You watched the playoffs right? Staal was their second line center. That tells me Rod the Bod puts little trust in any of the aforementioned.

 

[FerrisRox]

There is no way in hell I want to pay Dubois $9 million a season.

Please stay the hell away from this player if that is his ask.