Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

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“Would you rather that the Habs trade for Dubois or instead wait and try to sign him when he becomes


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Thankfully it's a new regime in charge and I don't think they think that way. They are operating from a different place than previous people. These are intellectuals, not the high school educated career grinder.
I’ve been open about my feelings about Dubois in these threads. I think it’s a mistake. But if we do acquire him, these guys have shown enough so far to allow me to atleast be comfortable in seeing what happens. You could see former managements train wrecks coming a mile away. These guys seem a lot more witty. Although that may not be a good thing five years from now when we have hindsight.
 
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I’ve been open about my feelings about Dubois in these threads. I think it’s a mistake. But if we do acquire him, these guys have shown enough so far to allow me to atleast be comfortable in seeing what happens. You could see former managements train wrecks coming a mile away. These guys seem a lot more witty. Although that may not be a good thing five years from now when we have hindsight.

The good news is even insiders like Friedman are saying the Habs feel they are in a really strong negotiating position,.

They'll get him for cheap or get him as UFA, or they won't get him at all.

I think you'd have to be pleased with any of those outcomes, this is a young player with size and skill.
 
Dubois and Brisson doing everything to tank his value does indicate he has a preference for a limited number of teams, possible just the one. He's basically handcuffing the Jets like Trouba.
I was worried that the FLA 1st is not enough for him, but I don’t think that’s the case anymore. I could see Chevy holding out for a while and finally settling on Mesar+Harris late in the summer.
 

I remember literally just hours after Winnipeg got eliminated, there were insiders reporting that PLD could be interested in other teams besides for Montreal. The timing of that has me convinced it's a "leak" by Jets management to try to scare Montreal into offering more.
 
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Rangers would make sense if they had cap space. They currently have 12 M in cap space with only 14 players signed, and still needing to sign Lafereniere and Miller.

The wild will probably offer a package that includes Rossi.

I'm pretty sure Minnesota is in cap trouble still, too.
 
The good news is even insiders like Friedman are saying the Habs feel they are in a really strong negotiating position,.

They'll get him for cheap or get him as UFA, or they won't get him at all.

I think you'd have to be pleased with any of those outcomes, this is a young player with size and skill.
I didn’t think they were going to be able to convince Caufield to sign the 8 years at a reasonable deal. To me, I compare that with how we handled Subban in the past forcing a bridge deal. Even the contract they got with Dach was a great signing. That to me is a sign we have people who understand the game. Bergevin had his moments contract wise early with Price, Pacioretty, and Gallagher but it always felt he was dealing with players from emotion which eventually catches up.
 
Rangers would make sense if they had cap space. They currently have 12 M in cap space with only 14 players signed, and still needing to sign Lafereniere and Miller.

The wild will probably offer a package that includes Rossi.
NYR could work if they trade either Chytil or Trocheck for PLD.

The Wild don't have money at all unless Ericsson-Ek is going the other way.
 
I remember literally just hours after Winnipeg got eliminated, there were insiders reporting that PLD could be interested in other teams besides for Montreal. The timing of that has me convinced it's a "leak" by Jets management to try to scare Montreal into offering more.

Doesn't make much sense, Montreal or any other teams, will get access to PLD/Brisson before any trade take place, it's standard procedure when you trade for a player without a deal, you need to get a sense of where this is going before you pull the trigger.
 
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Dubois was the main reason why CBJ beat Tampa couple years ago..

But he can't perform in the playoff...
No he wasn't. Sergei Bobrovsky .931 was the main reason they beat Tampa Bay that year. Why do you think Fla. decided to pony up 10 million for him? Dubois played well but saying he was the main reason they won is stretching it.
 
HFHabs: "We're tired of French players using us just to go elsewhere! It would be nice if they actually followed through and signed here for once!"
Good French Player: *does almost everything in his power to try and force his way to Montreal*
HFHabs: "Red flags! Red flags! He's a diva!"

Jokes aside, I think the PLD attitude problems are way overblown. He wants to choose where he lives and works, what's the problem with that? People forget that these aren't just hockey players, they are human beings. How many of you would pack your shit and move somewhere you have no interest in going rather than be where you want to be?

Right now, Dubois holds almost all the cards. His primary choice is the Habs, and he has no contract signed. That narrows down things considerably as he may not be willing to sign a contract with any old team that comes along in trade talks. This puts us in a really strong position leverage wise in working out a trade with Winnipeg.

And if the trade demands/contract demands are not a fit, we simply move on. No harm no foul. But we are in such an advantageous position to pick up a top 6 PWF at below market rate. We've been dreaming of a player like that for how long now? And yet people want to pass because maybe we can tank a little longer and cross our fingers and hope a star falls into our lap. Teams are not built on hopes and dreams and crossed fingers. When you are in an advantageous position to add a player at a below market cost with a contract that works for you, you do it every single time.
 
Doesn't make much sense, Montreal or any other teams, will get access to PLD/Brisson before any trade take place, it's standard procedure when you trade for a player without a deal, you need to get a sense of where this is going before you pull the trigger.
Sign&trade a not the norm. Just this year, SJ didn't allow it at the deadline for Meier, a RFA going UFA next season like PLD.
 
No he wasn't. Sergei Bobrovsky .931 was the main reason they beat Tampa Bay that year. Why do you think Fla. decided to pony up 10 million for him? Dubois played well but saying he was the main reason they won is stretching it.
He was their best player with the most points playing against the top line... wasn't he?
 
I remember literally just hours after Winnipeg got eliminated, there were insiders reporting that PLD could be interested in other teams besides for Montreal. The timing of that has me convinced it's a "leak" by Jets management to try to scare Montreal into offering more.

The Jets management wouldn't do that because it's idiotic. Hughes would just call Brisson and that would be cleared up in about ten seconds.
 
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HFHabs: "We're tired of French players using us just to go elsewhere! It would be nice if they actually followed through and signed here for once!"
Good French Player: *does almost everything in his power to try and force his way to Montreal*
HFHabs: "Red flags! Red flags! He's a diva!"

Jokes aside, I think the PLD attitude problems are way overblown. He wants to choose where he lives and works, what's the problem with that? People forget that these aren't just hockey players, they are human beings. How many of you would pack your shit and move somewhere you have no interest in going rather than be where you want to be?

Right now, Dubois holds almost all the cards. His primary choice is the Habs, and he has no contract signed. That narrows down things considerably as he may not be willing to sign a contract with any old team that comes along in trade talks. This puts us in a really strong position leverage wise in working out a trade with Winnipeg.

And if the trade demands/contract demands are not a fit, we simply move on. No harm no foul. But we are in such an advantageous position to pick up a top 6 PWF at below market rate. We've been dreaming of a player like that for how long now? And yet people want to pass because maybe we can tank a little longer and cross our fingers and hope a star falls into our lap. Teams are not built on hopes and dreams and crossed fingers. When you are in an advantageous position to add a player at a below market cost with a contract that works for you, you do it every single time.

Also, for the past decade, people have constantly ridiculed Bergevin for wanting character players, and yet now some of these same people don't want Dubois because of his character.
 
This isn't the TDL, Meier HAD a deal when he was traded.

He was traded after signing extension is allowed, that's all that matters. He's was a RFA at the end of the season and NJD might be stuck having to pay his exorbitant QO or trade his ass before July 1st because he doesn't want to sign with them anymore than he wanted to do with SJ.

PLD and DeBrincat were not traded at the deadline because their teams were in the playoffs. SJ were not.

You want more example. MB traded for Eddy and Anderson rights post season without talking to their agents. MB knew less or more what Anderson wanted because Jarmo told him.
 
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He was traded after signing extension is allowed, that's all that matters. He's was a RFA at the end of the season and NJD might be stuck having to pay his exorbitant QO or trade his ass before July 1st because he doesn't want to sign with them anymore than he wanted to do with SJ.

PLD and DeBrincat were not traded at the deadline because their teams were in the playoffs. SJ were not.

You want more example. MB traded for Eddy and Anderson rights post season without talking to their agents. MB knew less or more what Anderson wanted because Jarmo told him.

It's apple and orange.
There wasn't a requirement for NJD to sign Meier before he could play for them. AND every single team in the NHL will be free to talk to PLD or any other RFA the day after the draft.
 
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Professional hockey is one of the few enterprises where management of multi million ( billion?) dollar businesses are often entrusted to people with barely high school level educations. And some teams wonder why they are floundering. And continue to do so.
A lot of pretty successful people never graduated high school. Even more if you include College dropouts. Maybe it's just your own personal bias? You think it's a big stain to drop out of school?
 
It's apple and orange.
There wasn't a requirement for NJD to sign Meier before he could play for them. AND every single teams in the NHL will be free to talk to PLD or any other RFA the day after the draft.
Teams did ask SJ to talk to Meier's agent, otherwise the journalists wouldn't have brought up that SJ refused them. Same journalists also said that Meier would have brought back more had teams been able to talk to his agent since RFAs are not deadline rentals.

And PLD will be traded before the draft is over. His trade value will plummet even more if teams get to talk to his agent and 90% of them are told "no".
 
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