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“Would you rather that the Habs trade for Dubois or instead wait and try to sign him when he becomes

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George Lebay said:
Excuse my lack of hockey knowledge but why does everyone here include Harris when it comes to trade for PLD ?
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Because he is a LD who isn't necessarily GREAT at anything but decent at all. At LD we have Matheson - Edmundson - Xhekaj - Kovacevic and Harris.

Plus the other D coming in 2-3 years. So people think Harris has value and is tradeable. (Not saying I agree lol)
 
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Andy said:
Too bad the Florida pick ends up being 31st or 32nd, because I think PLD would 100% be a hab in a couple of weeks.

Suzuki, Dach, Caufield, Dubois is a good offensive core that is YOUNG. Add a developing Slafkovsky to the mix and it's quite possible that the offense is the best its looking in decades.
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Just think, we could ALMOST be as good as Winnipeg... We'd be SET. I wonder why rebuilding teams are supposed to be patient...?
 
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Harry Kakalovich said:
Just think, we could ALMOST be as good as Winnipeg... We'd be SET. I wonder why rebuilding teams are supposed to be patient...?
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The habs would be younger than Winnipeg, and still in the middle of rebuilding mode with it's core offensive players all under 25. Just because the habs get PLD doesn't mean they stop building.

Dach, Suzuki, Caufield, PLD should stilll be productive for the next 5-7 years. That leaves plenty of time to continue to build and add talent to the roster.
 
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waitin425 said:
Man....winnipeg is getting the shaft from Dubois. HARD. he has basically said trade me orni sit. No intention of signing. Teams will only want a sign and trade with him. If in his mind he wants the Habs he can basically sit back and veto any sign and trade as he wont sign until the Habs get him.

Winnipeg is f***ed here.

Let's get this guy now! Florida 1st plus kidney plus Harris. They should be happy with that.
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i bet PLD does not report to camp

the biggest thing is "we will see how bad he wants to play here", if he takes a fair deal to sign in MTL

that will show his real love or not to play for the CH
 
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Maybe I'm wrong but I feel Dach would be involved in a successful trade for Dubois. Maybe Dach + Flo pick... I feel it is a steep price but I don't believe anything less could get it done.
 
WeThreeKings said:
You're 100% wrong.

That is the acquisition cost that makes the least sense.
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lol, you're quite assertive. Maybe I haven't been clear enough, I believe this is what it would take to make Winnipeg bite in a competive bidding against other teams. Now, if Winnipeg is very limited in their trade options by PLD (which I sincerily doubt) it could be less than that.

I'd be interested to read your 100% right take though.
 
Lol at Dach + late 1st.

Never gonna happen.

I'm pretty sure KH sees Dach as, at least, a equal quality player as PLD, starting next season.

Now factor in salary, age and the situation with PLD in Winnipeg and Dach >>> PLD right now.

No way Winnipeg is getting an actual roster player that could become as good, if not better than PLD. That's the kind of situation where a quantity for quality deal will happen.
 
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Benstheman said:
Lol at Dach + late 1st.

Never gonna happen.

I'm pretty sure KH sees Dach as, at least, a equal quality player as PLD, starting next season.

Now factor in salary, age and the situation with PLD in Winnipeg and Dach >>> PLD right now.

No way Winnipeg is getting an actual roster player that could become as good, if not better than PLD. That's the kind of situation where a quantity for quality deal will happen.
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I think so too
Dach may be as good as PLD
skates good
has a shot
growing into his role
not scared for the hitting aspect
 
Let me be clear : I wouldn't do that trade myself as I believe Dach will become most likely equal to Dubois. But given his age and the fact he's pretty much a known quantity at this point, I believe Winnipeg will look for that kind of return for Dubois.
 
Prendan Brust said:
lol, you're quite assertive. Maybe I haven't been clear enough, I believe this is what it would take to make Winnipeg bite in a competive bidding against other teams. Now, if Winnipeg is very limited in their trade options by PLD (which I sincerily doubt) it could be less than that.

I'd be interested to read your 100% right take though.
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If that's the case - then sure, if Dach is the acquisition cost for the Jets and they won't move off that, that might be the case.

I just meant that there's a 0% chance the Habs are moving Dach for PLD. It makes 0 sense for them to do so.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
If that's the case - then sure, if Dach is the acquisition cost for the Jets and they won't move off that, that might be the case.

I just meant that there's a 0% chance the Habs are moving Dach for PLD. It makes 0 sense for them to do so.
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I don't know if there's 0% chance the habs do that, but I certainly hope they won't.
 
Prendan Brust said:
I don't know if there's 0% chance the habs do that, but I certainly hope they won't.
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Think about Kent Hughes and Gorton - they just negotiated a contract with Caufield that had him give them term and money less than Suzuki.

Why would they trade Dach, at minimum 50% of PLD's salary on an extension, to get a player who has already moved through two teams, and hasn't reached a potential that is significantly higher than what Dach showed this season?

You'd be adding salary and term without a large upgrade, and bringing someone into the core you don't know as well as you know Dach.

Dach is about as untouchable as it gets on the team.
 
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Even if the Jets ask for Dach, they are in no position of strength to get him. They have a player that does not want to play for their or sign with them.

If the Florida pick was 17th OA, I say that the pick + Anderson and a long shot prospect probably gets the deal done. I'm not sure now.
 
Surely, Beck, Dvorak and a pick would do it, no? Anything more than that at this point is overpayment. No way we trade Dach.
 
Andy said:
Even if the Jets ask for Dach, they are in no position of strength to get him. They have a player that does not want to play for their or sign with them.

If the Florida pick was 17th OA, I say that the pick + Anderson and a long shot prospect probably gets the deal done. I'm not sure now.
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Anderson was never an option in a Dubois trade because of his NTC. Hughes showed an ability to get clever with the Dach trade so maybe he could’ve facilitated something with a third party, but if Florida’s pick dropping is something that makes things much less attractive for Winnipeg, then Hughes may have trouble getting a deal done with them. Winnipeg seems really desperate not to rebuild and that’s really not our problem and we aren’t going to pay a price like it is our problem.
 
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