Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[waitin425]

But do we know it’s Montreal or nothing?

We don't. We hope

 

[SlafySZN]

A guy on youtube just said Dach, Harris + 31th overall is fair price for Dubois



And he’s an habs fan by the way

 

[waitin425]

The donkey would be perfect with Dubois…

Slaf-Dubois-Donkeyderson
Caufield-Suzuki-Dach

We will be able to keep Anderson on that line until Michkov comes over.

 

[CAUFIELD]

We will be able to keep Anderson on that line until Michkov comes over.

Ya, and if this scenario happens , Anderson will only have 1 year left , and he will be worth a premium on the trade market, or on our 3rd line if we’re competing.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

The Habs were clear that they didn’t want to go above the Suzuki contract in the Caufield negotiations. Brisson agreed but could justify it because there he was buying 1 less UFA year than the Suzuki contract did.

Would the Habs want the same in a Dubois contract? Would Brisson bite this time considering all the UFA years involved?

There's a big difference between buying 6 ufa years and buying 3.
On top of that, Dubois is coming off a 63 pts in 73 games season, whereas Suzuki was coming off 41 pts in 56 games and Caufield was coming off a 36 pts in 46 games.
Dubois is also young enough that he still has unscratched potential.

Dubois is 100% getting more than Suzuki.
His comparables are Hintz (8.45 M), Larkin (8.7 M), and Horvat (8.5 M).

 

[themilosh]

There's a big difference between buying 6 ufa years and buying 3.
On top of that, Dubois is coming off a 63 pts in 73 games season, whereas Suzuki was coming off 41 pts in 56 games and Caufield was coming off a 36 pts in 46 games.
Dubois is also young enough that he still has unscratched potential.

Dubois is 100% getting more than Suzuki.
His comparables are Hintz (8.45 M), Larkin (8.7 M), and Horvat (8.5 M).

Yes but those teams didn't have to trade assets to get the player.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Yes but those teams didn't have to trade assets to get the player.

That doesn't hold any weight in contract negotiations. Hughes will be negotiating a trade with Chevy, and negotiating a contract with Brisson.

Also Horvat was traded and then signed his contract.

 

[Habitant#1]

There's really nothing to worry about here.

Hughes will call and do his due diligence on PLD but is holding the very reasonable position of, I'm not going to pay a high price for him.

If the acquisition cost doesn't make sense, he will wait until UFA. If PLD signs with whoever does make a trade for him, that's fine, they aren't in a win now mode. PLD isn't the key to anything here.

He's an opportunity to jump on should it all make sense. If it doesn't, the train moves on.

I don't think there's anything left to really discuss here until something actually moves on this portfolio.

This x1000

The Montreal Canadiens are not the Make-A-Wish Foundation. Just because PLD wants to play for the Habs doesn't mean they're under any obligation to accomodate him (or the Jets).

Yes, PLD represents a good opportunity, but the Habs can continue their rebuild just fine without him.

HuGo won't make a trade or sign a contract that doesn't fit in with their rebuild timeline or salary structure. That means not giving up a bunch of valuable futures or signing a UFA level contract.

HuGo can offer expendable assets that don't have a future here and can offer a contract that respects the internal 'Suzuki Cap' salary structure.

If that's not enough for the Jets or PLD, then they can spend a miserable summer sorting their situation out.
It's not the Montreal Canadiens' job to bail either party out of this situation or offer lifelines.

 

[Noble]

Don't get all the worry about him signing with another team.

The guy went to the f***ing draft in Montreal in the hopes a deal would get done with the Habs ffs. He went in person... on the chance that he would get traded. He wants to come back home to Quebec.

He will end up in Montreal one way or another whether it is for next season or the one after. I really can't see any other team ponying up a big offer for one season of Dubois.

Other teams may be interested, but I feel that interest will diminish quite a bit once Brisson tells them he's not willing to commit to a contract extension.

I dont think Dubois is considering other destinations. I honestly think he wants to play at home and that's it.

 

[HabzSauce]

Dubois is 100% getting more than Suzuki.
His comparables are Hintz (8.45 M), Larkin (8.7 M), and Horvat (8.5 M).

His value may be in that range but I don't know if thats what MTL is offering.

I think he signs for under 8M and makes up for the difference through big time Quebec sponsors like someone else mentioned. Besides that, he gets to play for his dream team with currently fantastic management all around.

Gotta give a little to get. Montreal is trying to build something special and we need everyone on the same page

 

[SlafySZN]

There's a big difference between buying 6 ufa years and buying 3.
On top of that, Dubois is coming off a 63 pts in 73 games season, whereas Suzuki was coming off 41 pts in 56 games and Caufield was coming off a 36 pts in 46 games.
Dubois is also young enough that he still has unscratched potential.

Dubois is 100% getting more than Suzuki.
His comparables are Hintz (8.45 M), Larkin (8.7 M), and Horvat (8.5 M).

They didn’t just sign Caufield for the same amount as Suzuki just to bring weeks later a player from outside the organization and give him more than them. If it has to happen, it’s because it’s a player from the organization like the 5th pick, Slaf, Dach, if they become better.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

Just dont see Hughes telling Cole that Nick is the cap ceiling then Hughes turning around and handing out more to Dubois. Just seems a good way to quickly piss off your players and dont see Hughes being that dumb

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Don't get all the worry about him signing with another team.

The guy went to the f***ing draft in Montreal in the hopes a deal would get done with the Habs ffs. He went in person... on the chance that he would get traded. He wants to come back home to Quebec.

He will end up in Montreal one way or another whether it is for next season or the one after. I really can't see any other team ponying up a big offer for one season of Dubois.

Other teams may be interested, but I feel that interest will diminish quite a bit once Brisson tells them he's not willing to commit to a contract extension.

I dont think Dubois is considering other destinations. I honestly think he wants to play at home and that's it.

For enough money, Dubois, like any other player, will readily find a new ‘home.’

 

[Andrei79]

I wonder if he would sign with Ottawa. They have DeBrincat they can trade for him, though I'm sure it wouldn't interest Cheveldayoff if he doesn't come with a contract. Then again, I'm not sure he's interested in a winger with a lack of size.

 

[Andrei79]

If they do trade for him, Dach can't go the other way. I would be so disappointed.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

There's a big difference between buying 6 ufa years and buying 3.
On top of that, Dubois is coming off a 63 pts in 73 games season, whereas Suzuki was coming off 41 pts in 56 games and Caufield was coming off a 36 pts in 46 games.
Dubois is also young enough that he still has unscratched potential.

Dubois is 100% getting more than Suzuki.
His comparables are Hintz (8.45 M), Larkin (8.7 M), and Horvat (8.5 M).

Horvat im sure Dubois loves the comp but senile Lou made that deal that every one laughed at even Horvat but if you compare him to Hintz and Larkin, both scream they deserve at least 1 million more than Dubois

Both are producing more points and secondly are better goal scorers. So he falls right in the 7 million max range

 

[Redux91]

There's really nothing to worry about here.

Hughes will call and do his due diligence on PLD but is holding the very reasonable position of, I'm not going to pay a high price for him.

If the acquisition cost doesn't make sense, he will wait until UFA. If PLD signs with whoever does make a trade for him, that's fine, they aren't in a win now mode. PLD isn't the key to anything here.

He's an opportunity to jump on should it all make sense. If it doesn't, the train moves on.

I don't think there's anything left to really discuss here until something actually moves on this portfolio.

F***er
This is the best post in the thread

 

[SlafySZN]

If they do trade for him, Dach can't go the other way. I would be so disappointed.

Won’t ever happen, no need to worry about that!

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

They didn’t just sign Caufield for the same amount as Suzuki just to bring weeks later a player from outside the organization and give him more than them. If it has to happen, it’s because it’s a player from the organization like the 5th pick, Slaf, Dach, if they become better.

That doesn't make sense.
Caufield didn't get less/equal than Suzuki simply because Suzy is the captain and best player of the team. He got that amount due to many factors including his contract situation (buying 3 ufa years)

His agent literally said if Caufield's contract was buying 4 ufa years instead of 3, he would be looking more at a Stutzle contract (8.3 M).


Now imagine Dubois, who's contract will be buying 6 ufa years.

Your 2nd point makes even less sense. You're basically arguing the team will refuse to acquire players as good or better than Suzuki because they will cost more money. I can guarantee you if a Matthews or McDavid became available in free agency, Hughes won't be telling them no due to the fact that they will have a bigger contract than Suzuki.

 

[tooji]

I think our calgary 1st has more value, could see that being in play

 

[WatchfulElm]

Dubois truly holds all the cards here. If he makes it known to other teams that he'll only sign long term with Montreal, then :

- Very few teams will be willing to give up good assets for 1 year of a player who sees himself elsewhere
- With a soon to be UFA, teams usually look for a trade-and-sign kind of deal. If this is out of the table, except for the Habs, there simply won't be many customers.
- Since there won't be a bidding war, the Habs could acquire him for cheaper than market value. It's better than losing him for nothing for the Jets.
- But since only Montreal can do a trade-and-sign, Hughes might be willing to make a slightly better offer than any other team, making it impossible for the Jets to refuse.
- The threat of signing an offer sheet with the Habs might be another incentive for the Jets to trade him for a better return than what the compensation would be.
- And if Dubois is serious about playing in Montreal long term, he might agree with lower cap hit, in exchange for job security, sponsorship deals and having his dream come true.

 

[Heffyhoof]

That’s ridiculous

Teams can do what they want with players but a players can’t choose where they wants to work/play ?

He's not arguing if free choice for players is bad or not. Stop moving the goal posts for once.

 

[Slafkofield]

If they do trade for him, Dach can't go the other way. I would be so disappointed.

If Bergevin was GM, he would 100% trade Dach for Dubois… but I doubt he would have even acquired Dach from the Hawks since “you can’t trade for centremen in the NHL.”

 

[Destopcorner]

Coming home. Dvorak will get the shaft since his NTC starts july first and he wont have a center spot on the third anymore. Plus we need ti send salary.

Suzuki
Dubois
Dach

Is there a better center line in the league?

 

[26Mats]

I think our calgary 1st has more value, could see that being in play

The thing is, that Calgary pick could be a really good one. I'd be hesitant to move it.

Food for thought: is PLD really a problem child because he's wanted out of 2 small market cities?

A certain Matthew Tkachuk informed Calgary he wouldn't re-sign with them as he wanted to be in a different type of city. Is he a problem child, or one of the best regular season and playoff performers in the league?