Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

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“Would you rather that the Habs trade for Dubois or instead wait and try to sign him when he becomes


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Exactly ! If this team was last it was because this team didn't have a leader ala Mark Messier or Crosby. Suzuki is a bottom #1 center in the league and Caufield is useless when he check his player. He's good only in offence, he's zero in back-checking. Habs suffered from not having Price, no Weber and no Danault.

Wth are you even talking about? Do you even watch the games, aside from scoping the odd Qc player on the team?

Caufield backchecks and is one of the best on the team at takeaways. Yeah sure he won't take the man out on the boards but he sure as shit will steal the puck away.
 
It's not more than a joke than the argument that a player is a "quitter" if they don't produce to expectations over every single stretch in a season.
Like really? What a horrible argument.



Dubois had 8 pts in his last 12 games, and they still made the playoffs? So what's the problem?

You are finding every single reason to excuse the bad play of Caufield and Suzuki, and finding every single reason to bash Dubois for his bad play.


Not even the slightest bit concerned. Most players don't have great playoff performances every year. Tkachuk was invisible in the playoffs with Calgary, and now he looks dominant, Crosby hasn't played well every time he made the playoffs, etc.



Ran all their local guys out of town? Who?
Drouin didn't ask for a trade and even expressed he wanted to return.
Pacioretty and Petry both asked for a trade, and neither were local guys.

There's a problem with raising questions when your takes are so illogical.
Like imagine arguing that Dubois quit on the jets because he had 15 pts in his last 32 games. Dubois had 48 pts in his first 41 games, and was carrying the team, and overnight he decided "Nah F the Jets, I quit" is what you are arguing lmao.

His drop in performance also happened to coincide with an injury, but according to you, it has no relation to it, which is nonsense.



Not even close. I don't think Caufield and Suzuki are quitters. I'm simply applying the same dumb logic some of you guys are using about Dubois.
Well you aren’t. Lol you are dumping on Caufield to build your argument for Dubois. Let me know when Caufield starts annually fading down the most important stretches and the playoffs. And I’m aware Dubois had a good round 4 years ago despite never repeating it.
 
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It's not more than a joke than the argument that a player is a "quitter" if they don't produce to expectations over every single stretch in a season.
Like really? What a horrible argument.



Dubois had 8 pts in his last 12 games, and they still made the playoffs? So what's the problem?

You are finding every single reason to excuse the bad play of Caufield and Suzuki, and finding every single reason to bash Dubois for his bad play.

No, the situations were simply not equivalent. Even if they were, I'm don't have to make any arguments for or against Caufield/Suzuki. I never brought them up as comparisons. If they were on another team and management were eyeing either of them, I'd mention, for example, Suzukis yearly half season slumps and issues when discussing trade and contract price. I would challenge the notion that passing over that trade was akin to Bergevins worst trade mistakes.

I mean, I've even mentioned in a previous post that I'm willing to look past his play down the stretch. I'm not finding every single reason to bash Dubois either, are you reading my posts ? I've mentioned in my initial post that I want him on this team. I've mentioned multiple times now and in the past that I want Dubois and think hes a great player. I love the way he plays when hes on. This can live hand in hand with having concerns. What is with this all or nothing mentality over here ? I'm not against getting players with red flags, but under the right circumstances and the right price. Vegas is doing fine with Eichel right now, for example, so clearly these gambles can pay off big time.

I'm actually observing the opposite thing happen here: every single concern around Dubois is being excused to the point people are using whataboutisms instead of addressing the issues. Say you ignore his time in Winnipeg, he did quit on his team in the past. It's not even something anyone can argue... and still people excuse a behavior unbecoming of a pro. Apparently, because Torts was too hard to play for ? Do people realize that MSL thinks highly of Tortorella ? This is also a player who's agent made the kind of declaration you don't often see with RFAs.

Not even the slightest bit concerned. Most players don't have great playoff performances every year. Tkachuk was invisible in the playoffs with Calgary, and now he looks dominant, Crosby hasn't played well every time he made the playoffs, etc.

So, his game 5, in an elimination game, in what is potentially his last game with Winnipeg, is not concerning in the slightest bit ? Even with the context of his last game with Columbus ? I mean, not even slightly? Really ?

Ran all their local guys out of town? Who?
Drouin didn't ask for a trade and even expressed he wanted to return.
Pacioretty and Petry both asked for a trade, and neither were local guys.
Alright then. No issues with local guys playing here then. That's fantastic to learn. I didn't say all the local guys were run out of town either. Neither did I say every non-local player had it easy. mean, that Drouin part... he didn't suffer from insomnia and anxiety ? Have you ever heard how hard this place can be to local guys ?

It's potentially 9 years + assets going the other way. What happens if things don't his way. And at some point, they won't. I'm hoping if management does trade for him, they do careful due diligence.
 
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PLD will not be traded till 2024 TDL,

Teams are more desperate then, they will get gold for him

And he will likely re-sign to whatever contender he is traded to
Not gonna happen for 2 simple reasons:

He could get injured and the return becomes 0... Winnipeg GM can't take that risk for a marginal better return than at the draft.

Team would be crazy to accept such a distraction knowing damn well he will be traded in March.

He's gone this summer, book it.
 
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Because a very good team could offer shieet him something like 6.4M for 2023-24, at the cost of a 1st and a 3rd, which is less that the Jets would fetch/cost at the TDL. And the Jets wouldn't have much cfhoice to not match, because if they do, they can't trade him.

Dubois's QO is 6.5M.
As I've posted numerous times this scenario will never happen.
Winnipeg will file for arbitration long before July 1 when he can sign an offer sheet.
 
Not gonna happen for 2 simple reasons:

He could get injured and the return would become 0, Winnipeg GM can't take that risk for a marginal better return than at the draft.

Team would be crazy to accept such a distraction knowing damn well he will be traded in March.

He's gone this summer, book it.
I agree, they won't take a chance in case he's injured. He's getting trade this summer imo as well.
 
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690 are talking "why do all hab fans think Chevy has to trade PLD" there is no rush or need to move him.

I have said this, chevy will hold him to trade deadline and move him for gold. then PLD will go UFA and get big coin and go to another team then the habs.

hope I am wrong ..... but we see
He can be an high priced rental player next TDL. Agree.
 
Because a very good team could offer shieet him something like 6.4M for 2023-24, at the cost of a 1st and a 3rd, which is less that the Jets would fetch/cost at the TDL. And the Jets wouldn't have much cfhoice to not match, because if they do, they can't trade him.

Dubois's QO is 6.5M.
I think it is $6.0M
 
Wth are you even talking about? Do you even watch the games, aside from scoping the odd Qc player on the team?

Caufield backchecks and is one of the best on the team at takeaways. Yeah sure he won't take the man out on the boards but he sure as shit will steal the puck away.
It's ridiculous how people keep this lie up. They clearly haven't watched him play. He's a wizard with the puck on offense and he's very aware on defense. He recovers and steals a lot of pucks by using his body in a smart way. When he's on the ice our team dominates pure and simple.
 
It's ridiculous how people keep this lie up. They clearly haven't watched him play. He's a wizard with the puck on offense and he's very aware on defense. He recovers and steals a lot of pucks by using his body in a smart way. When he's on the ice our team dominates pure and simple.
I don’t think anybody is asking him to be a defensive wizard. He obviously has physical limitations but as long as he’s not a liability defensively, his offence is always going to overpower what he can’t do in his own end. And from what I’ve seen, his speed and awareness is a positive when the play is going the other way. He certainly isn’t a floater when the puck isn’t in the offensive zone which is what you often see with one dimensional players offensive players.
 
As I've posted numerous times this scenario will never happen.
Winnipeg will file for arbitration long before July 1 when he can sign an offer sheet.
Winnipeg can't file for arb before much later than July 1st. Hell I'm not even sure they can file for arb in PLD's case.
(But you're right, it won't happen, because PLD will be traded before the draft or at the draft)
 
Winnipeg can't file for arb before much later than July 1st. Hell I'm not even sure they can file for arb in PLD's case.
(But you're right, it won't happen, because PLD will be traded before the draft or at the draft)
They can file for team elected arbitration once while he is a RFA. They have not used this provision till now. They file for the arbitration when he refuses to sign his QO, if that is the path he chooses to follow. That is mid June I believe so in any event he will never get to an offer sheet which cannot occur before July 1.
 
PLD will not be traded till 2024 TDL,

Teams are more desperate then, they will get gold for him

And he will likely re-sign to whatever contender he is traded to
That would be horrendous for Winnipeg. Not only for the reasons listed below, but also because they're still competing for a Cup. What team would trade their no. 1 center at the TDL when they're trying to contend for a cup and what message does that send to the team as well as effecting the chemistry. Makes no sense for multiple reasons to wait until the TDL and not to trade him in the off season when teams have a lot more cap flexibility and are building their rosters for the next season.
Not gonna happen for 2 simple reasons:

He could get injured and the return becomes 0... Winnipeg GM can't take that risk for a marginal better return than at the draft.

Team would be crazy to accept such a distraction knowing damn well he will be traded in March.

He's gone this summer, book it.
 
That would be horrendous for Winnipeg. Not only for the reasons listed below, but also because they're still competing for a Cup. What team would trade their no. 1 center at the TDL when they're trying to contend for a cup and what message does that send to the team as well as effecting the chemistry. Makes no sense for multiple reasons to wait until the TDL and not to trade him in the off season when teams have a lot more cap flexibility and are building their rosters for the next season.

Winnipeg will not be competing for anything next season, a cup? LOL

Montreal has just as good a chance to win the cup next season as Winnipeg will,
 
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