Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[MXD]

They can file for team elected arbitration once while he is a RFA. They have not used this provision till now. They file for the arbitration when he refuses to sign his QO, if that is the path he chooses to follow. That is mid June I believe so in any event he will never get to an offer sheet which cannot occur before July 1.

Players can accept QOs if it's team-filed arbitration.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Winnipeg will not be competing for anything next season, a cup? LOL

Montreal has just as good a chance to win the cup next season as Winnipeg will,

Posts like this make me laugh. You think you're being super smart but the reality is you have no idea what you're talking about. Jets have several of their core players being UFA next year and do not want to rebuild. They need to be competative this year in able to keep as many of those UFA's and attract others to keep the team competative. So holding on to a pleayer that will be a distraction and trade him at the TDL when they're trying to contned it the last thing they'd want to do. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and we'll see who's laughing.

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[ottawa]

Winnipeg will not be competing for anything next season, a cup? LOL

Montreal has just as good a chance to win the cup next season as Winnipeg will,

Whether you think they'll be competing for a cup or not is irrelevant, Winnipeg said they want NHL players in return so they can continue to contend so they won't let him walk for free.

 

[Ozmodiar]

The Jets are a mess.

They need to hire Billy Beane.

Chef, Helle, PLD - excellent players but not a ton of playoff success or intangibles. Expiring contracts … the RFA among them says he wants out. Not a ton of negotiating power if they want to replace with comparable players. Tough spot.

 

[sampollock]

PLD is dead issue I feel.... Kent will look elsewhere

 

[HABitual Fan]

Players can accept QOs if it's team-filed arbitration

You keep moving the goalposts rather than admit to the fact that PLD will not be eligible for an offer sheet one way or another.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Winnipeg should rebuild they have tons of good pieces that core coudlnt get anything done in the playoffs and most are soon to be free agents imagine the picks and prospects they will have if they trade everyone lol small market tho idk how the owners would feel

Connor
Hellebuyck
Morrissey
Scheifele
Dubois
Ehlers

 

[pickles555]

PLD is dead issue I feel.... Kent will look elsewhere

Agree

 

[MXD]

You keep moving the goalposts rather than admit to the fact that PLD will not be eligible for an offer sheet one way or another.

Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows?
But players are eligible to be OS'ed even in the case of a team-elect arbitration (though the timeframe for the OS is different). If you want to spin this situation as "PLD won't be eligible for an OS", be my guest.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Boston is my prediction

I keep thinking the Rangers

 

[MXD]

PLD is dead issue I feel.... Kent will look elsewhere

I think it's not happening either (unless it's as a UFA next season).

 

[Sorinth]

Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows?
But players are eligible to be OS'ed even in the case of a team-elect arbitration (though the timeframe for the OS is different). If you want to spin this situation as "PLD won't be eligible for an OS", be my guest.

That's only if the team doesn't offer a QO and the jets will give a QO.

 

[MXD]

That's only if the team doesn't offer a QO and the jets will give a QO.

... If the Jets don't offer a QO, PLD becomes a UFA...

EDIT : Forgot about the different windows for club-elected arbitration.

 

[pickles555]

Winnipeg should rebuild they have tons of good pieces that core coudlnt get anything done in the playoffs and most are soon to be free agents imagine the picks and prospects they will have if they trade everyone lol small market tho idk how the owners would feel

Connor
Hellebuyck
Morrissey
Scheifele
Dubois
Ehlers

Winnipeg would not survive a rebuild, trading all those players, and rebuilding would result in a move to the US (again)

 

[StCaufield]

He can go to Ottawa thanks

Winnipeg would not survive a rebuild, trading all those players, and rebuilding would result in a move to the US (again)

Definitely not. They have a very loyal base this time around. There’s literally nothing suggests that this would happen in fact any educated Winnipeg fan would be excited about a rebuild

 

[Sorinth]

... If the Jets don't offer a QO, PLD becomes a UFA...

Technically they can not give him a QO and take him to arbitration.

 

[MXD]

Technically they can not give him a QO and take him to arbitration.

Yep, I had forgotten about that part.
This said, that would mean PLD is elected to arbitration (the passive tense is weird, I know) in the first window. Those players can receive and sign OS.

 

[sampollock]

I think it's not happening either (unless it's as a UFA next season).

he will be a bruin

 

[Ozmodiar]

He can go to Ottawa thanks


Definitely not. They have a very loyal base this time around. There’s literally nothing suggests that this would happen in fact any educated Winnipeg fan would be excited about a rebuild

Not the reality of the situation.

Small market team, very low % of season ticket holders are businesses, season ticket sales down, low ticket prices … in a gate driven revenue model. The owners are concerned.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Winnipeg should rebuild they have tons of good pieces that core coudlnt get anything done in the playoffs and most are soon to be free agents imagine the picks and prospects they will have if they trade everyone lol small market tho idk how the owners would feel

Connor
Hellebuyck
Morrissey
Scheifele
Dubois
Ehlers

I fear a true rebuild would be a death knell for Winnipeg.

Winnipeg would not survive a rebuild, trading all those players, and rebuilding would result in a move to the US (again)

Just in time to go back to Atlanta!

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

No, the situations were simply not equivalent. Even if they were, I'm don't have to make any arguments for or against Caufield/Suzuki. I never brought them up as comparisons. If they were on another team and management were eyeing either of them, I'd mention, for example, Suzukis yearly half season slumps and issues when discussing trade and contract price. I would challenge the notion that passing over that trade was akin to Bergevins worst trade mistakes.

I mean, I've even mentioned in a previous post that I'm willing to look past his play down the stretch. I'm not finding every single reason to bash Dubois either, are you reading my posts ? I've mentioned in my initial post that I want him on this team. I've mentioned multiple times now and in the past that I want Dubois and think hes a great player. I love the way he plays when hes on. This can live hand in hand with having concerns. What is with this all or nothing mentality over here ? I'm not against getting players with red flags, but under the right circumstances and the right price. Vegas is doing fine with Eichel right now, for example, so clearly these gambles can pay off big time.

I'm actually observing the opposite thing happen here: every single concern around Dubois is being excused to the point people are using whataboutisms instead of addressing the issues. Say you ignore his time in Winnipeg, he did quit on his team in the past. It's not even something anyone can argue... and still people excuse a behavior unbecoming of a pro. Apparently, because Torts was too hard to play for ? Do people realize that MSL thinks highly of Tortorella ? This is also a player who's agent made the kind of declaration you don't often see with RFAs.



So, his game 5, in an elimination game, in what is potentially his last game with Winnipeg, is not concerning in the slightest bit ? Even with the context of his last game with Columbus ? I mean, not even slightly? Really ?


Alright then. No issues with local guys playing here then. That's fantastic to learn. I didn't say all the local guys were run out of town either. Neither did I say every non-local player had it easy. mean, that Drouin part... he didn't suffer from insomnia and anxiety ? Have you ever heard how hard this place can be to local guys ?

It's potentially 9 years + assets going the other way. What happens if things don't his way. And at some point, they won't. I'm hoping if management does trade for him, they do careful due diligence.

A 6'4 25-year-old 60+ pts center is extremely valuable and the pros of acquiring one easily overcome any bad/risks you think there are.

Those players rarely become available, and if they do, they usually cost an arm and a leg. Dubois is available and seemingly will cost less than what he would normally, so arguing he shouldn't be acquired because of stuff such as not having the best game 5 really doesn't make sense.

We know for a fact Hughes has discussed trade with the jets regarding Dubois, so clearly he doesn't care much about the issues you mentioned. It's just a matter of what would be the cost to acquire him.

 

[Redux91]

he will be a bruin

With what cash lol

 

[StCaufield]

Not the reality of the situation.

Small market team, very low % of season ticket holders are businesses, season ticket sales down, low ticket prices … in a gate driven revenue model. The owners are concerned.

Owners concerned about money! Noooooo way! Every owner worries about money but I understand what you mean. They’re fine as it stands right now. Worried is valid

 

[MXD]

he will be a bruin

Boston has roughly 5M in capspace next season and need to add 8 players to their roster, including a goaltender. Their highest salaried player with no trade protection is Jake Debrusk 4M), who is UFA next season too. Well, there's also McAvoy, but let's be serious, he isn't in play here.

 

[pickles555]

With what cash lol

Boston has roughly 5M in capspace next season and need to add 8 players to their roster, including a goaltender. Their highest salaried player with no trade protection is Jake Debrusk 4M), who is UFA next season too. Well, there's also McAvoy, but let's be serious, he isn't in play here.

Lol,

Cap is only a problem on HF Boards,

If Boston want PLD, they will find a way to make it work