Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

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“Would you rather that the Habs trade for Dubois or instead wait and try to sign him when he becomes


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Would be absolutely horrible.

Why reach for a defenceman when there’s tons of dman in next years draft and give Barron for a 60 pts player you’ll have to give a big contract to when you can just draft a potential elite forward and draft a maybe even better dman next year without giving up one of your only right handed defenceman prospect you just acquired a year ago.
I'd give up Harris in a heartbeat though...

We will just not have enough spots for all these guys soon...

We have Matheson, Guhle, Edmundson, and Arber on the left side for next year...

We should keep Barron for the moment probably as we are a lot more thin on that side.
 
There’s just as many success stories as there are failure’s like Tinordi or Beaulieu. Just look at Sergachev and McDonagh as mondern examples for our team. If we want to be contenders, we have to take a chance that prospects like Barron hit their ceiling. Can’t constantly dwell on past failures as a way to cope with trading them. Same goes for the people that look at failed rebuilds as opposed to the ones that succeeded.
Ignoring the names in question the philosophy of "If we want to be contenders, we have to take a chance that prospects hit their ceilings" is exactly the strategy Bergevin employed for the first half of his tenure and as a consequence wasted the prime years of several star players. You can't build a team strictly through prospect development.

Now you can argue the specific players in question shouldn't be the ones we target/trade but the idea that we will fill every hole with prospects developing or that we have to wait until a prospect becomes disappointing or busts before considering them in part of a trade is just wrong.
 
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Why would I leave the board? This isn’t a PLD fan page on Reddit. This is a honest discussion on the player. If you can’t handle hearing things you don’t want too,, I’m not the one who should leave. If me bringing up valid points “annoys you” then you should look at yourself and reconsider what you’re actually trying to accomplish here. When I see red flags on a player, I’m going to voice my concern. I’m not going to leave because I might hurt your feelings or ruin your terrible used cars sales man pitch.
Your red flags are not valid. You bring arguments that were dismantled one by one by other posters and by me. The nunbers speaks by themself : 63 pts in 73 games and you call that player a mediocre player. And also a bum. So Suzuki and Caufield are also mediocre players if I follow your logic. I repeat : if I follow your logic.

You are the one with an agenda, bashing a player a vast majority of Habs fans wants to come here. 100% of hockey analysts want PLD to come here. Some of them are ex players in the NHL and they know the game. Why should I beleive your point of view and not media hockey analists who are paid to give their opinions?

I'm gonna give you a good used car sale pitch. If you want a good used car I can sell you a Pontiac Fiero in a relative good shape, 326,000 km, no apparent rust, mecanic in running condition and it's only 10,000$. Sounds like a good deal, hey? The car looks like a small Ferrari for 1% of the price. Also, you will have a car with a native american chief name and it's a good thing.
 
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What's going to be his reaction then ? It's concerning to me. Are you not concerned at all with a potential trade for assets and 9 year investment ?
If you wait for the perfect player with zero flags, you'll wait 100 years. Relax and trust the future. Blues of St-Louis were a bad team half of the season and poof, they won a SC. Bruins were not that great when they won the Cup. They didn't win with Rask but with Thomas who had a bizarre technique. We never know.

I trust HuGo and if they decide to bring PLD and give him a 9 years contract, so it will be and I will be a Habs fan cheering for my team. If that doesn't work for some reasons, well, there is somnething else than hockey in life. The NHL is 32 teams, It's getting much harder to win a Cup. Sometimes it takes some luck. Hockey is entertainment, we should all chill and relax. As much as we see nice hockey, we are in the game, fighting for a PO spot and say yeahh when we score a goal. Our heads are not big enough for all these useless discussions.
 
A mediocre player ! This is totally ridiculous ! I repeat what you wrote : a mediocre player.

You are making a fool of yourself writing things like PLD is a bum. You have no idea who he is, you just come here vomit on a player you don't know and you don't like because you seems to hate anything that is french.

He is a bum. He quit on one team and disappeared the last 3 seasons when the games mattered in Winnipeg. But please, tell me how he’s 6’4 again like I haven’t heard it a million times from you already.

Im putting in a link to one of the best divorce lawyers in my city. I think you two need work through some things:

 
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Dvorak, Mesar, 1st pick FLa for Dubois at 7,5 aaav/8 years. And don’t look behind
 
It’s always been in the Habs best interest to acquire him before he reaches UFA status, because 6’4, 220 lb 25 year old centers that score between 25-30 goals a year (was on pace for 40 before getting hurt last year), will have tons of teams throwing money at them, driving up the price - especially with the cap going up in the next couple years.

I’ve said it all along, it’s going to cost a piece that will hurt, and it’s likely either Barron or Harris if the Jets are wanting young cost controlled defensemen.

My offer would be:

To Winnipeg - 2023 1st round pick acquired from Florida, one of Barron/Harris and Christian Dvorak.

To Montreal - Pierre Luc Dubois, signed to a 8x8 deal. PLD gets slightly more than the dynamic duo, because you’re buying more UFA years.

Habs then draft Reinbacher at 5th overall, to shore up the right side on defense, grabbing an elite two way defender with size. Reinbacher seems like a perfect partner for Guhle in the not too distant future, and I’m willing to wait a year in development, for what looks to be a better all around defenseman than either Barron or Harris.
Dubois no higher cap hit than Caufield. If number of UFA years is too many, cut deal to 6 years.

As for trade offers:

Fla 1st 2023
(Harris and Dvorak) OR (Barron and Gallagher)
 
Dubois no higher cap hit than Caufield. If number of UFA years is too many, cut deal to 6 years.

As for trade offers:

Fla 1st 2023
(Harris and Dvorak) OR (Barron and Gallagher)
Florida's 1st and Barron probably isn't enough to dump Gallagher alone. He sure as shit isn't bringing PLD back.

The cost to dump Gallagher and not taking a bad, or a couple of bad contracts back is immense.

Our only hope is someone hires Bergevin and he takes on the bad contract he gave out.
 
690 are talking "why do all hab fans think Chevy has to trade PLD" there is no rush or need to move him.

I have said this, chevy will hold him to trade deadline and move him for gold. then PLD will go UFA and get big coin and go to another team then the habs.

hope I am wrong ..... but we see
 
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690 are talking "why do all hab fans think Chevy has to trade PLD" there is no rush or need to move him.

I have said this, chevy will hold him to trade deadline and move him for gold. then PLD will go UFA and get big coin and go to another team then the habs.

hope I am wrong ..... but we see
I'm pretty sure he won't get gold come trade deadline. In order to maximize his return, I think the Jets are best off trading him this summer and give that team a chance to extend PLD. A deadline move will be something similar to Timo Meier, prospects and pick # 20+ in the draft.
 
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690 are talking "why do all hab fans think Chevy has to trade PLD" there is no rush or need to move him.

I have said this, chevy will hold him to trade deadline and move him for gold. then PLD will go UFA and get big coin and go to another team then the habs.

hope I am wrong ..... but we see

Because a very good team could offer shieet him something like 6.4M for 2023-24, at the cost of a 1st and a 3rd, which is less that the Jets would fetch/cost at the TDL. And the Jets wouldn't have much cfhoice to not match, because if they do, they can't trade him.

Dubois's QO is 6.5M.
 
Suzuki and Caufield locked up for 7.8, there is no way they bring someone from outside the organization and pay him more than them. When it happens, it’s gonna be a player from this organization like the 5th pick, Dach in 3 years, Slaf, etc if they become better.
Right. PLD will have to settle for between 7 ad 7,5 M $ per season. If not, he can try elsewehre.
 
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Florida's 1st and Barron probably isn't enough to dump Gallagher alone. He sure as shit isn't bringing PLD back.

The cost to dump Gallagher and not taking a bad, or a couple of bad contracts back is immense.

Our only hope is someone hires Bergevin and he takes on the bad contract he gave out.
Gallagher will be on LTIR soon enough, maximum 2 years.
 
Your red flags are not valid. You bring arguments that were dismantled one by one by other posters and by me. The munbers speaks by themself : 63 pts in 73 games and you call that player a mediocre player. And also a bum. So Suzuki and Caufield are also mediocre players if I follow your logic. I repeat : if I follow your logic.

You are the one with an agenda, bashing a player a vast majority of Habs fans wants to come here. 100% of hockey analysts want PLD to come here. Some of them are ex players in the NHL and they know the game. Why should I beleive your point of view and not media hockey analists who are paid to give their opinions?

I'm gonna give yoiu a good used car sale pitch. If you want a good used car I can sell you a Pontiac Fiero in a relative good shape, 326,000 km, no apparent rust, mecanic in running condition and it's only 10,000$. Sounds like a good deal, hey? The car looks like a small Ferrari for 1% of the price. Also, you will have a car with a native american chief name and it's a good thing.
My red flags are valid. You don’t like me bringing them up because it goes against your narrative. I don’t have an agenda. You’re making me out like I’m anti-French. I literally have two French Canadian goalies in my profile picture to pay homage to an era when French Canadians were taking over the league you fool. I won’t however encourage people to try and fill a French quota like you’re doing when the talent isn’t there. I do have a problem when people let their bias cloud their judgement which is exactly what you’re doing. Everytime you’re describing Dubois, I have to reread to make sure you’re talking about the right player. Like I said before, if you want a fan page, go to Reddit. You aren’t getting it here.
 
Right. PLD will have to settle for between 7 ad 7,5 M $ per season. If not, he can try elsewehre.
Why, he's not as good as the other 2? Why not the same salary? He's the one deserving it the most with his stats and UFA years...
 
I mean, this has to be a joke. From the Caufield comment to the timing part about Suzuki. The team, playing way above its head, was still out of a playoff spot, the year after being the worst in the league. At its best, with Suzuki and Caufield playing out of their minds, it was still a bad team. The team is barren. Even if Caufield somehow scored 40 in his rookie year, it was still a bottom 5 team. Do you remember how many key players they lost after that cup run ? Who the coach was ? How far into summer they played for the cup finals? What are you arguing here ? The third leading scorer that year was Mike Hoffman. The second leading scorer this year had 38 points. There was no playoffs in sight for this team this year. You're creating a ridiculous narrative only to lose sight of my initial point - bringing up the red flags in regards to Dubois and a potential 9 year investment.

It's not more than a joke than the argument that a player is a "quitter" if they don't produce to expectations over every single stretch in a season.
Like really? What a horrible argument.

And then comparing this to a top 3 team that fell down hard into the standings to barely get into the playoffs by two points, only to be eliminated in the first round. And this, in your mind, is better timing ? The mental gymnastics there LOL. They were 1-2 losses away from a catastrophic second half on a team that wanted to compete.

Dubois had 8 pts in his last 12 games, and they still made the playoffs? So what's the problem?

You are finding every single reason to excuse the bad play of Caufield and Suzuki, and finding every single reason to bash Dubois for his bad play.

Yes, he was dominant his third year. I never said he never performed. I have to stress this once again: I'm concerned with the red flags. Quitting on his teams, playoff no shows in elimination games, his agent making that comment last summer - something you rarely see. I don't think he'd be an issue if things go his way, but what happens when they don't ? And, at some point they won't. What's going to be his reaction then ? It's concerning to me. Are you not concerned at all with a potential trade for assets and 9 year investment ?
Not even the slightest bit concerned. Most players don't have great playoff performances every year. Tkachuk was invisible in the playoffs with Calgary, and now he looks dominant, Crosby hasn't played well every time he made the playoffs, etc.

Imagine having the gall to raise questions about a potential acquisition and 9 year tenure. On a team that's run almost all of their local guys out of town and had one of them suffer from insomnia and severe anxiety, just recently.

Ran all their local guys out of town? Who?
Drouin didn't ask for a trade and even expressed he wanted to return.
Pacioretty and Petry both asked for a trade, and neither were local guys.

There's a problem with raising questions when your takes are so illogical.
Like imagine arguing that Dubois quit on the jets because he had 15 pts in his last 32 games. Dubois had 48 pts in his first 41 games, and was carrying the team, and overnight he decided "Nah F the Jets, I quit" is what you are arguing lmao.

His drop in performance also happened to coincide with an injury, but according to you, it has no relation to it, which is nonsense.

It’s more concerning some fans are willing to dump on our own stars to hype up this overrated Jets player.

Not even close. I don't think Caufield and Suzuki are quitters. I'm simply applying the same dumb logic some of you guys are using about Dubois.
 
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