Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[JoelWarlord]

No the comparable isn't Trouba, in the way that there are more than only one comparable in this kind of negotiation /deal.

I guess so, but if we aren't getting him for a similar price I don't think we're interested.

I really just struggle to see why Trouba isn't the comp if Dubois' interest in playing for the Habs is true. Exact same team, exact same situation (if the speculation is true), exact same tier of player, exact same contract situation/age, it even involves two of the same key people in Cheveldayoff and Gorton. If the Jets don't see it the same way then Montreal is out most likely.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Dubois has better stats , more goals than Suzuki at the same age. It's a possibility that Suzuki could be better one day, but for now he isn't . Before he was injured, Dubois was playing very good, more than a PPG and if you look only at the fact that he didn't get 70 PTS and +, it's linked to this injurybecause not only he missed some games, but that he didn't play well after he came back - probably too soon . To compare Dubois to Domi, Tatar or Gallagher is laughable, sorry.

Too bad for you hockey isn't played on a statsheet.

25 year old heading for his 3rd NHL team. Obviously he's no world beater.

Suzuki and Dach are way better all around players, which is why I prefer both to PLD. PLD is a decent top 6 player. I hope he finds a nice fit on a contender somewhere as a depth top 6 to compliment top line players. That's where he belongs.

 

[donghabs98]

He wouldn’t & that’s likely not what Chevaldayoff wants either - I read is as a muliple asset package of draft pick (1st rounder) + ELC player (Harris) + NHL ready asset / minor league prospect

Montreal would probably take that but I personally think Winnipeg wouldn't if they want to just retool to make another playoff run. A hockey deal is probably more what they would want.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Montreal would probably take that but I personally think Winnipeg wouldn't if they want to just retool to make another playoff run. A hockey deal is probably more what they would want.

Winnipeg needs to blow it up before it's too late

Wheeler turning 37 and 8.25m for 1 more year
Scheifele just hit 30 and only has 1 more year , I wouldnt give any big deal to him. ( Rumours also wanted out)
PLD Wants out
Hellebyuck turning 30 1 more year at 6.1m , another contract id avoid to give.

They got pummeled badly against Vegas. They should bank 1st picks this offseason and simply rebuild , that core is trash and they are all 1 year away to dip. Also they have a terrible d-squad.

 

[Habitant#1]

If Dubois wants a penny more than Suzuki, he can rot in Winnipeg.

 

[SlafySZN]

am i the only one who doesn't want dubois to come here? people give him waayyy too much attention. i think he'll bring more drama to this team. i'd rather just build this team through the draft. i just don't like the idea of signing someone like him and be our highest paid forward right off the bat. **** that.

I’ve been saying it for months but got ridiculed lol.

 

[Milhouse40]

 

[Vachon23]

I can't speak for others, but I don't think PLD is anywhere near as good as Suzuki or Caufield (who themselves may not be as good as Habs fans hope them to be)

PLD is at the level of player then Suzuki and they are pretty equal. They bring different things to a though. He's better then the Domi/Tatar/Gally

I agree with the 2nd part

 

[Vachon23]

Too bad for you hockey isn't played on a statsheet.

25 year old heading for his 3rd NHL team. Obviously he's no world beater.

Suzuki and Dach are way better all around players, which is why I prefer both to PLD. PLD is a decent top 6 player. I hope he finds a nice fit on a contender somewhere as a depth top 6 to compliment top line players. That's where he belongs.

Dubois is better down low and in board battle and defensively they are comparable. For now, Suzuki 2 way ability is getting overrated. Not saying he won't be a solid 2 way player in 5 years but as now he's as best average defensively and does show inconsity in his game like PLD.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

am i the only one who doesn't want dubois to come here? people give him waayyy too much attention. i think he'll bring more drama to this team. i'd rather just build this team through the draft. i just don't like the idea of signing someone like him and be our highest paid forward right off the bat. **** that.

Yeah I'm not interested whatsoever

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

What has this guy done in the league to warrant this money? At least Caufield and Suzuki are actually getting paid for performances they have with a habs sweater on their back.

But yeah lets give the entitled diva 8million right off the bat before doing anything for the team. I'd be open to it if the guy was not absolutely RIDDLED with red flags lol

 

[MXD]

What has this guy done in the league to warrant this money? At least Caufield and Suzuki are actually getting paid for performances they have with a habs sweater on their back.

But yeah lets give the entitled diva 8million right off the bat before doing anything for the team. I'd be open to it if the guy was not absolutely RIDDLED with red flags lol

No, you wouldn't be, or else you wouldn't be comparing his case to Cole Caufield who never cracked (looks at numbers) 46 points in a season while being less well rounded, after asking what Dubois did to warrant "this money", despite (looks at numbers) ... never scoring less than 48 points during full seasons and starting his career at a younger age than Caufield.

I mean, there are valid reasons to not chase Dubois, especialy as the most sensical piece to send Winnipeg (FLA 1st) won't be as sexy for them as previously expected. No need to make up reasons and write bullshit that doesn't pass the smell test.

 

[Skip Bayless]

The PLD hate has reached a new level

 

[Vachon23]

What has this guy done in the league to warrant this money? At least Caufield and Suzuki are actually getting paid for performances they have with a habs sweater on their back.

But yeah lets give the entitled diva 8million right off the bat before doing anything for the team. I'd be open to it if the guy was not absolutely RIDDLED with red flags lol

WTF ??

Caufield: 84 pts 123 games (0,68 PPG)
Suzuki: 209 pts in 291 games (0,72 PPG)
Dubois: 302 pts in 434 games (0,70 PPG)

The one who haven't prove much in those 3 is actually Caufield

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Dubois is better down low and in board battle and defensively they are comparable. For now, Suzuki 2 way ability is getting overrated. Not saying he won't be a solid 2 way player in 5 years but as now he's as best average defensively and does show inconsity in his game like PLD.

Suzuki and Dach are already much better on the PK and defensively than PLD, plus they are younger and so that difference should grow over time.

PLD is not a plus defender. He's not really a defensive liability either, but that's not a strength of his game. I see him best suited at LW on a contending team. He's a pretty good goal scorer.

 

[1909]

WTF ??

Caufield: 84 pts 123 games (0,68 PPG)
Suzuki: 209 pts in 291 games (0,72 PPG)
Dubois: 302 pts in 434 games (0,70 PPG)

The one who haven't prove much in those 3 is actually Caufield

Caufield has one major excuse: he was coached by Ducharme at the beginning of his first full NHL season.

Suzuki and Dach are already much better on the PK and defensively than PLD, plus they are younger and so that difference should grow over time.

PLD is not a plus defender. He's not really a defensive liability either, but that's not a strength of his game. I see him best suited at LW on a contending team. He's a pretty good goal scorer.

Like Dach, he doesn't want to play on a wing.

Dubois is better down low and in board battle and defensively they are comparable. For now, Suzuki 2 way ability is getting overrated. Not saying he won't be a solid 2 way player in 5 years but as now he's as best average defensively and does show inconsity in his game like PLD.

Suzuki has to mprove big time his faceoffs skills.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

WTF ??

Caufield: 84 pts 123 games (0,68 PPG)
Suzuki: 209 pts in 291 games (0,72 PPG)
Dubois: 302 pts in 434 games (0,70 PPG)

The one who haven't prove much in those 3 is actually Caufield

I like PLDs game but I don't want 3 sub ppg players at 8 mill this kinda makes my point , listen I'm open to signing him as a UFA at a good price without giving up assets , I think he's worth 8 million on the market just don't think it's the right time and place for him to get paid and join our rebuild . That's obviously just my opinion.

And I'm not even the biggest Caufield defender but even you have to admit that Cole has a special *it* offensively that Pierre-Luc dosent, different players like I said I like PLD as a player but idk if its the right move now

 

[BLONG7]

No, you wouldn't be, or else you wouldn't be comparing his case to Cole Caufield who never cracked (looks at numbers) 46 points in a season while being less well rounded, after asking what Dubois did to warrant "this money", despite (looks at numbers) ... never scoring less than 48 points during full seasons and starting his career at a younger age than Caufield.

I mean, there are valid reasons to not chase Dubois, especialy as the most sensical piece to send Winnipeg (FLA 1st) won't be as sexy for them as previously expected. No need to make up reasons and write bullshit that doesn't pass the smell test.

Dubois has averaged 24 goals per 82 games during his NHL career...............Caufield has averaged 35 goals per 82 games in his much shorter NHL career. These are facts based on performance so far in their respective careers.
These are two vastly different players.............but one will score a lot more goals over the next 8 years than the other, and we all know which one....scoring goals is the name of the game....we have been the void of a goal scorer now for 40 years......................we have had players like PLD.

I would love to see us, have both of these guys in the lineup at the same time......as long as the price to get him our of the Peg is reasonable, and also along with his salary demands for the next 6-8 years is also....

 

[ZUKI]

Caufield has one major excuse: he was coached by Ducharme at the beginning of his first full NHL season.


Like Dach, he doesn't want to play on a wing.


Suzuki has to mprove big time his faceoffs skills.

Dubois has one excuse . He was coached by Tortorella, in an ultra defensive system.
The ppg of Dubois are at 0,70 but it mostly because of his first steps with Winnipeg/last steps when playing for Tortorella

Suzuki isn’t better then Dubois defensively, Dubois plays 200 ‘ game. In fact it would be interesting to get both of them because they play complimentary style of game; Suzuki is more cerebral, Dubois more physical and plays a lot in the face of the goalies They would be perfect together on the pp

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Suzuki and Dach are already much better on the PK and defensively than PLD, plus they are younger and so that difference should grow over time.

PLD is not a plus defender. He's not really a defensive liability either, but that's not a strength of his game. I see him best suited at LW on a contending team. He's a pretty good goal scorer.

Why do you say shit that makes it obvious you don't know what you're talking about? Like, you don't have to pretend dude. You keep saying stuff just to say it.

 

[Captain Mountain]

My major takeaway is that I'm baffled that Brendan Kelly is still paid to write about hockey.

 

[SlafySZN]

People need to forget Dubois lol it’s not happening.

What’s funnier is the jets board who thinks the habs are desperate for him and would pay the #5 pick. Or Dach for him.

 

[Vachon23]

Suzuki and Dach are already much better on the PK and defensively than PLD, plus they are younger and so that difference should grow over time.

PLD is not a plus defender. He's not really a defensive liability either, but that's not a strength of his game. I see him best suited at LW on a contending team. He's a pretty good goal scorer.

Not sure they are better defensively especially Dach, the 3 of them are not great defensively but not Hoffman bad either

 

[SlafySZN]

Not sure they are better defensively especially Dach, the 3 of them are not great defensively but not Hoffman bad either

Dach is better defensively and in transition than Suzuki.

 

[Vachon23]

Dach is better defensively and in transition than Suzuki.

Transition I agree