The Gr8 Dane
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Salary structure is a real thing ask the Leafs , and Dubois isn't even better than any of their 3 guys
Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?
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That's like saying tanking doesn't work, ask the Sabres. Salary structure isn't their problem anyway.
I know that it's a complicated one, but if the Florida first round is around 29-32, could the 2024/25 Calgary first that could be dealt instead ?
My take is that the Habs have a lot of good prospects to come, a lot of them are dominating their league, so i am sure that Hugues won't be too shy to deal one of his top prospects. Somehow, the Habs won't be able to sign every good prospects anyway, without respecting the 50 contracts limit
My take is that the Habs have a lot of good prospects to come, a lot of them are dominating their league, so i am sure that Hugues won't be too shy to deal one of his top prospects. Somehow, the Habs won't be able to sign every good prospects anyway, without respecting the 50 contracts limit
i don't think so. He's more in the range of 8,5 m$
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Sorinth
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Well if Caufield, Suzuki, Dubois average out to 8.5m each, then we'd still have another 8m in capspace in comparison to Toronto's big 3. So in terms of salary structure it's a very different situation and we should be more then fine.
BLONG7
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He is a 60 pt player, that has shown some potential to be a PPG guy in short spans of the season.
He may hit 70-75 pts with the right line mates.
7.5M - 8.5M makes sense....
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Shrug my shoulders and move on. He's a luxury at the right acquisition and contract cost.
He's not a must-have.
I'm a big Dubois booster but the entire point of getting Dubois is that we can ostensibly get him for a discount. If that's not true then I don't want him, so I won't be remotely upset if he goes elsewhere for market price.
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sampollock
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you can bet your bottom dollar, if PLD goes to UFA, he will get money from a team and the habs won't get him.
That's fine. If he doesn't actually want to come here for market value as a UFA or if we can't get a reasonably affordable trade done ahead of time, I don't mind if he goes elsewhere. He's a nice luxury add because we still kinda need a 2C and he can also just fill a need at LW if Dach ends up truly popping as a C, but this isn't a player that will make or break our rebuild.
i don’t know what the hell is going on with this fans base. It’s a strange thing to discuss about a good player that could be available, with that cold tone. Those low offers, cheap conditions that you are proposing are so weird .
Dubois is for now even more good than Suzuki. You need to pay. the right price to get these players, you don’t bargain with cheap offers .
Dubois is for now even more good than Suzuki. You need to pay. the right price to get these players, you don’t bargain with cheap offers .
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I wouldn't be too upset. Frankly what makes him attractive is him wanting to come here. If he signs with us in free agency for cheap then great, if not it gives the chance for a guy like Roy to show us what he's got.
I think most people are talking about making low offers to the Jets, but offering fair money to Dubois. For the billionth time, the comparable is Trouba who the Rangers got at a significant discount in terms of trade value and then signed to a fair contract based on his perceived market value (it's turned into an overpay because Trouba has declined but at the time 8Mx7 was the going rate for a top pair D in their prime). If the Rangers didn't have to overpay Trouba at the time, why should Canadiens fans be lining up to overpay Dubois who's been a very good but not great player so far in his career?
I don't really see why it's wrong for the Habs to look at this as an opportunity to get a player at a discount when that's exactly why we're interested. It might sound a bit glib but there's nothing extraordinary about Dubois from the Canadiens' perspective unless his alleged desire to play in Montreal results in us getting him for lower than market value. He'll be a UFA in 2024, in a class that potentially includes Matthews, Aho, Schiefele, Teravainen, Stamkos, Nylander, Reinhart, Guetzel, Lindholm, Arvidsson, etc. If I'm overpaying to get a UFA out of that cohort Dubois isn't going be the guy for me.
The point is that if his interest means we can get him from Winnipeg for a cheaper trade cost, or on UFA day for fair value instead of a big overpay, the Habs should be all over it and otherwise likely should look elsewhere.
I don't think he's better than Suzuki. You need to pay the player the right price, but you don't need to back up the money truck. If Dubois wants to get paid like Dylan Larkin I'm looking elsewhere. If the Jets are expecting a Timo Meier trade return for Dubois I'm also looking elsewhere. I like him a lot and I think Dubois is a really nice fit to round out our future top 6, but he's not some franchise talent we need to get at all costs.
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I can't speak for others, but I don't think PLD is anywhere near as good as Suzuki or Caufield (who themselves may not be as good as Habs fans hope them to be). I think PLD will have a similar impact as a Max Domi, Tomas Tatar, Brendan Gallagher. He doesn't drive offense and he's probably better suited on the LW. I see him as a top-6 LW I think he's a notch down from Max Pacioretty. I don't expect PLD to play in Montreal anytime soon. He'd be much better suited on a contender. He could be like a Taylor Hall or Charlie Coyle for some contending team.
So that's why I'm not very interested in getting him. I'm much more interested in trading away guys like Anderson and Edmondson than I am acquiring another player like them who's not really a very good fit for what the Habs are building.
ReimanSum1908
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No. He'd be looking to take in 12 million on his next contract with us, were we to trade for him.
We're already overpaying a second line center in Suzuki by nearly twice what he's worth. We don't need to do the same with about middling 60 point player.
This is how you ruin hockey teams just like Bergevin: loading up on massively overpaid middling talent, "winning by committee," just trying to throw together players who, collectively, can claw their way into the playoffs because "then there's a chance!"
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Based on what exactly? There's only one player in the entire league with an AAV above 12.
The cap is over 80 million dollars now. The idea that Suzuki is worth under 4 million is utterly divorced from reality. Suzuki is currently the 20th highest paid C and will be 27th by next season, and continue dropping down the chart a few spots a year as other players get new contracts. If you think 20th then 27th then into the 35-45th highest paid C range over the bulk of his contract is too much I don't really know what to say other than I think you have a very warped understanding of the salary cap and NHL market values.
No, it's how you add one player to your lineup when he becomes available. He's just one guy. Tampa had Alex Killorn and Ondrej Palat when they won cups too, it's not like the only way to win is to have 3 superstars at 11M each and 9 scrubs making 1.5M, most contenders have some top 6 forwards situated between the top end core and their depth players.
I don't get the comparison to Bergevin at all. They're rebuilding and just traded for Kirby Dach last summer lol, when did Bergevin ever do anything like that? It took Bergevin 10 years to acquire or trade away a 1st round pick and it wasn't even his choice (offer sheet), while it took Hughes and Gorton about 10 weeks to get 1sts for Toffoli and Chiarot. Marc Bergevin drank water and ate food too, that doesn't mean if I have a glass of water with my dinner tonight it's just classic Marc Bergevin stuff.
This player is not a must have, so everyone has a different opinion on what they are willing to give up both now and in the future.
If I have to give up meaningful assets and pay him Suzuki money or more then I have no interest in him. Prefer waiting on him or somebody else after this season either as a UFA or via trade when it is clearer what the team needs will be. As well, not sure if he is who I want to bet on with a long-term deal.at the money he is probably looking for.
I mean… No specific player qualifies as “must have” but the habs “must have” a bunch of new young star forwards to compete soon. Pretty easy to make that line-up right now…
The issue is that for the most part in order to succeed, these players need to be surrounded by others on their ELCs. If you are giving up those to acquire the players, you wind up just treading water like Toronto and others like the Rangers or Boston. Rarely does a team succeed at both like Tampa, and even that requires selling futures.
Suzuki is worth under 4m? LMFAO!
7,5-8m with the cap going up is not that bad. It's not like having 33m for 3 players(like the Leafs).
No the comparable isn't Trouba, in the way that there are more than only one comparable in this kind of negotiation /deal. I agree with you that he' s not some franchise talent to get at all costs, but i would be surprise that a trade for him would cost something out of proportion. About the contract itself, i totally trust Hughes , ex player agent, to make a fair deal.
I agree with you , but only on this; "you can't speak for others". Dubois has better stats , more goals than Suzuki at the same age. It's a possibility that Suzuki could be better one day, but for now he isn't . Before he was injured, Dubois was playing very good, more than a PPG and if you look only at the fact that he didn't get 70 PTS and +, it's linked to this injurybecause not only he missed some games, but that he didn't play well after he came back - probably too soon . To compare Dubois to Domi, Tatar or Gallagher is laughable, sorry.
12 m$ ? you are joking i suppose
exactly. And in my mind, the Habs are in the need of a big physical player that plays in the face of the goalie, can score 27-28 goals and that plays a 200 ' game and that wants to play here. Something that we don't have for a decade.
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am i the only one who doesn't want dubois to come here? people give him waayyy too much attention. i think he'll bring more drama to this team. i'd rather just build this team through the draft. i just don't like the idea of signing someone like him and be our highest paid forward right off the bat. **** that.
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So Suzuki is a 4M$ player and PLD is apparently asking for Mackinnon type money.
Cool, cool.
Cool, cool.
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