Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[HuGort]

Agreed for the most part except that it wasn’t all the result of bad luck that we had subpar forwards over the last 30 years.

It was a mix of incompetence, unreliable scouting, Geoff wearing too many hats and in particular acting in a role he was not suited for i.e. as a hockey executive and not reacting fast enough to avert disasters or continuing to trust the wrong people and generally ownership choosing not to use their privileged position as one of the league’s top 3-4 revenue teams year over year in those last 30 years and not use that advantage to poach and lure the best available hockey minds and staff and generally the failure to make greater investments in non-cap restricted areas.

Montreal needs to spend some of that revenue to improve medical staff and their assistant coaches. There is no cap limit what is spent on front office staff. No sense spending 80 million a year in payroll and not having good staff around you

Habs specialty teams were brutal last year. Especially the powerplay. Medical staff made some questionable decisions last year. Example being playing Sean Monahan on broken foot on non contending team in November game. Which led to groin injury. Costs him his season and Montreal a first round pick in this draft. Same guy who played Shea Weber on broken foot which led to further injury and shorten his career.

 

[Rob Sense]

Montreal needs to spend some of that revenue to improve medical staff and their assistant coaches. There is no cap limit what is spent on front office staff. No sense spending 80 million a year in payroll and not having good staff around you

Habs specialty teams were brutal last year. Especially the powerplay. Medical staff made some questionable decisions last year. Example being playing Sean Monahan on broken foot on non contending team in November game. Which led to groin injury. Costs him his season and Montreal a first round pick in this draft. Same guy who played Shea Weber on broken foot which led to further injury and shorten his career.

The medical staff does not make hockey decisions. The decision to play or not belongs to the player and the coach. No doctor on the planet would say: "you have a broken foot...get out there and bust your *ss...you are fine". Monahan made his own decision and St-Louis let him do it...the medical staff said he had a broken foot.

 

[ReHabs]

The medical staff does not make hockey decisions. The decision to play or not belongs to the player and the coach. No doctor on the planet would say: "you have a broken foot...get out there and bust your *ss...you are fine". Monahan made his own decision and St-Louis let him do it...the medical staff said he had a broken foot.

We've touched on this earlier but there's clearly something amiss in the clinical department. Pre-hab, re-hab, hurt Habs -- something is wrong there. I have no doubt our physicians are perfectly suitable but something is wrong with the department.

 

[BLONG7]

I dont think Carey deserves to be in the HOF. Top 10 vezinas, dude theres 32 number one goalie in the league. Price was in the top third of the goalies in the league most of his carreer but thats nothing exceptional.

Winning goal playing behind canada stack team. The zamboni driver could have won gold medal.

Patrick did not win a gold medal with Team Canada....finished 4th and that was with #99 and Lindros on his team.

 

[waitin425]

I still think the Florida pick is part of the package. The other pieces may need to be decent to make it happen though.

Florida 1st + Dvorak + Harris.

Merry Christmas.

 

[Vachon23]

I still think the Florida pick is part of the package. The other pieces may need to be decent to make it happen though.

Florida 1st + Dvorak + Harris.

Merry Christmas.

The + will be more significant though ! But the FLA 1st is clearly on the table know for PLD if they want

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I essentially agree.

What is NOT the reason we fell way short of competing is the extra $1.5-2.0M paid to Price, compared to an ideal contract.

I think we overpaid for Price by 2M, his contract should have been 8,5M, also considering his age and past injuries.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I didn’t say only me, I said most of habs fans, others nhl players and management

What I meant is that people like you don’t see gold when it’s in front of you, if Carey played for another team, you’d be wishing we had a goalie of his calibre, instead we have Carey and you try to find all the excuses in the world to downgrade him

Something I never in the years of Carey is an important ufa on the market in summer wanting to sign here because he wants to be in the team of Carey. If he was such as good as his die hard fans claim, why no ufa came here because of Carey?

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I dont think Carey deserves to be in the HOF. Top 10 vezinas, dude theres 32 number one goalie in the league. Price was in the top third of the goalies in the league most of his carreer but thats nothing exceptional.

Winning goal playing behind canada stack team. The zamboni driver could have won gold medal.

agree that Canada was stacked but so was alot teams and if you looked at the games Carey was a big reason they won TC werent destroying nobody it was close games and Price was a wall in net hes stats in international hockey are crazyy good and with Montreal well we never had a good team

ever seen the picture that was going around talking about Price only having a 80 point teammate once in hes career it was Kovalev in hes rookie season ? Carey was huge for us unfortunalety he coudlnt score goals

 

[malcb33]

Who, Brendan Dillion and Nate Schmidt? Besides Morrisey, they're young D play RD. Harris is better than Logan Stanley and Heinola hadn't made the jump yet

I guess you could have that argument with their fans who know the team better than I do, but I can tell you a fair few of them are adamant they don't need more LHD.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Something I never in the years of Carey is an important ufa on the market in summer wanting to sign here because he wants to be in the team of Carey. If he was such as good as his die hard fans claim, why no ufa came here because of Carey?

Because there’s no advantages to playing in Montreal. That’s why nobody was coming here. It’s expensive to live, the taxes are high, and the team outside of Price and a few others stunk. We had to pay Price a premium just to stay himself. Hopefully that’s not a problem after we finish rebuilding. You have to build threw the draft regardless.

 

[Habs Halifax]

All we have heard, since this guys draft year, was the Habs were taking him.............it's now what, 6-7 years later, and he seems to continue the angle that he wants to play for the Habs.
If there is a reasonable deal to be made, I think Hughes is all over it......

Dubois will be 25 this June I think, and WANTS to play for the Habs.
My initial thought a couple of seasons ago when the white noise was Dubois was forcing Columbus, and now the Jets to make this happen, was no thanks................but since then, this could be a very good move, to help the rebuild move a little quicker.

For me, it all comes down to what will it cost?
Agreed, no way he picks the Bruins as a UFA.

Leverage is key and I don't see the cost being too high. Other GM's will knock on the door but they are offering late 1st and B prospects at best. Imagine being the other GM knowing Dubois wants to play for Montreal and doing the same mistake the Jets did by making an aggressive trade thinking they can "convince" him to stay? I think not. Sign/trade is a huge factor in the Dubois situation and other GM's will request it. Otherwise, they will shy away IMO. That's leverage towards the Habs.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I dont think Carey deserves to be in the HOF. Top 10 vezinas, dude theres 32 number one goalie in the league. Price was in the top third of the goalies in the league most of his carreer but thats nothing exceptional.

Winning goal playing behind canada stack team. The zamboni driver could have won gold medal.

Terrible take.

International gold pedigree at WJC, Olympics & World Cup. Name me a goalie on Team Canada that didn't have a stacked team in front of them?
NHL success: All-Star, Vezina winner, Hart Trophy winner.
One of 39 goalies in NHL history with 300+ wins (13th among them in winning%).

 

[The Great Weal]

Jets will get a better 1st than Florida's at the next deadline. We gotta add something worthwhile.

 

[tazsub3]

Something I never in the years of Carey is an important ufa on the market in summer wanting to sign here because he wants to be in the team of Carey. If he was such as good as his die hard fans claim, why no ufa came here because of Carey?

Maybe was cause of our shity management and coaches though

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

#17 had good value but at 29-32 will need to add another valuable piece maybe Winnipeg likes the Calgary pick if they blow it up this summer

 

[HABitual Fan]

Jets will get a better 1st than Florida's at the next deadline. We gotta add something worthwhile.

Other than numerically, is a mid to late pick next year better than a late pick this draft? Personally I think not, and depending on who is still available might use it ourselves instead of giving it up in a trade.

 

[nhlfan9191]

#17 had good value but at 29-32 will need to add another valuable piece maybe Winnipeg likes the Calgary pick if they blow it up this summer

We don’t know what that Calgary pick will be and after the season they just had, it’s not available until at least next season when we have a better idea of what we’re dealing with. We don’t want to end up like Colorado with Duchene or San Jose with Karlsson giving up top 5 picks for players we shouldn’t be.

 

[Sorinth]

We don’t know what that Calgary pick will be and after the season they just had, it’s not available until at least next season when we have a better idea of what we’re dealing with. We don’t want to end up like Colorado with Duchene or San Jose with Karlsson giving up top 5 picks for players we shouldn’t be.

Not that I want to trade the pick but we could always add top-5/10 protection to it as part of the trade and push it to our own non top-10 pick in 2026 or 2027.

But I doubt Winnipeg is interested in a pick that might be long in coming.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Because there’s no advantages to playing in Montreal. That’s why nobody was coming here. It’s expensive to live, the taxes are high, and the team outside of Price and a few others stunk. We had to pay Price a premium just to stay himself. Hopefully that’s not a problem after we finish rebuilding. You have to build threw the draft regardless.

There was few years when we were among the top in Atlantic division. One year we had Vanek to help in the PO. And he helped win one round.

 

[nhlfan9191]

There was few years when we were among the top in Atlantic division. One year we had Vanek to help in the PO. And he helped win one round.

What does that have to do with anything I said. And Vanek was a great trade on paper but he was useless for most of that playoff run. He was on the 4th line if I remember correctly for most of it or atleast some of it.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

EWn

Maybe was cause of our shity management and coaches though

Even in the late Gainey years? And the year of Gauthier, with Jacques Martin coach?

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Because there’s no advantages to playing in Montreal. That’s why nobody was coming here. It’s expensive to live, the taxes are high, and the team outside of Price and a few others stunk. We had to pay Price a premium just to stay himself. Hopefully that’s not a problem after we finish rebuilding. You have to build threw the draft regardless.

Montreal's probably been one of the most successful teams on the FA market over the years though. Mostly because they couldn't develop for shit but still.

 

[tazsub3]

EWn

Even in the late Gainey years? And the year of Gauthier, with Jacques Martin coach?

Well gainey years we did sign free agents . Wether we like them or not , we got to a conference final with them. I sometime wonder if.he not trade for gomez and yet is able to make the moves he did , where would that team be with a Ryan mcd , and no Gomez useless contract
Gauthier was a disaster anyone could tell. A player friend of mienne on that team then told me the story of him not allowing pizza as he said it’s bad for players . So yea Gaultier is part of the shitty management I refer to.

EWn

Even in the late Gainey years? And the year of Gauthier, with Jacques Martin coach?

However the real test to my theory will be this management . We have a popular coach , management that has great reputation among players and that get todays athletes .
So when the team is ready to compete, I expect them to attract players like other major hockey cities do

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Well gainey years we did sign free agents . Wether we like them or not , we got to a conference final with them. I sometime wonder if.he not trade for gomez and yet is able to make the moves he did , where would that team be with a Ryan mcd , and no Gomez useless contract
Gauthier was a disaster anyone could tell. A player friend of mienne on that team then told me the story of him not allowing pizza as he said it’s bad for players . So yea Gaultier is part of the shitty management I refer to.

I think to a certain point 60% of nhl teams are shitty managed. It's just that we don't have our nose close to these organisations to detect it. But anyway we don't care as long as it's not our team. As a coach, I wouldn't call Martin a shitty coach and not Julien before the year he was fired. They were not top coaches but not the worst. I've seen worse.

However the real test to my theory will be this management . We have a popular coach , management that has great reputation among players and that get todays athletes .
So when the team is ready to compete, I expect them to attract players like other major hockey cities do

On this I agree. I trust this management.