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“Would you rather that the Habs trade for Dubois or instead wait and try to sign him when he becomes

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Ozmodiar said:
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A lot of superfluous info there. The tweet could have just read “- 0 points”.

The author’s a drama queen.
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Author included 0 PIMs (isn't that a good thing?) and 0% Faceoffs (isn't he a winger?) to make it look worse, lol. Kind of silly.

Also - not like Laf is the only Ranger who underperformed. Panarin has 0 points in the last 6 playoff games.
 
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Ozmodiar said:
lol
A lot of superfluous info there. The tweet could have just read “- 0 points”.

The author’s a drama queen.
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And, he's not a center, so doesn't take faceoffs, so naturally it's at 0%.

Probably some NYR-hater, who's trying to create a narrative that Lafreniere is a bust, and being completely unfair about it.

He's not a bust. It just looks like his upside is as a middle 6 player, and not a top 6. 2nd/3rd line tweener. Less than what Rangers hoped for, of course.

Whatever he's doing in the off-season, it's not enough. His skating hasn't improved much at all, and it's a real limiting factor for him.

Hasn't improved his shot either.

He's a 3rd line grinder. He's 3rd on the team for hits, and he plays the dump & chase game that Gallant advocates for. He's average defensively, but skating would improve his defensive game too, as he often just gets beat due to that.
 
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JohnLennon said:
Author included 0 PIMs (isn't that a good thing?) and 0% Faceoffs (isn't he a winger?) to make it look worse, lol. Kind of silly.

Also - not like Laf is the only Ranger who underperformed. Panarin has 0 points in the last 6 playoff games.
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- Zibanejad (their 1C) had 0 SOG at 5-on-5 all series. ATOI: 19:28
- Trotchek (their 2C) had 1 pt all series. ATOI: 17:48
- Panarin (their top line winger) had 2 pts all series (and as you point out, his 2 points were in Game 1 and 0 every other game) ATOI: 19:20
- Tarasenko (one of their big TDL acquisition) had 4 pts this series, but was held off the scoresheet in 4 of the 7 games. ATOI: 15:13 (least used F in Top-6)

Kane and Kreider are the only two Top-6 Fs that produced this series. Kane was held pointless in the final 3 games.
- Kane ATOI: 17:22
- Kreider ATOI: 19:15


Instead, he's pointing out a guy who was stuffed on the 3rd line even though he showed progress during the year and averaged 14:20 TOI in the playoffs.

It's not to say Laf couldn't have done more. But it's not fair to point to your 3rd liners before you point to your Top-6 guys.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
It's such a bad take.. I honestly can't get inside someone's brain who has watched both and had a preference for Laf. I would guess that person has not watched either player in a long time.
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The Drouin experience has caused a ton of trauma to this fan base.

*Lafrenière 30 pts season* : He is what we thought he was

*PLD 60 pts season* : He's just like Drouin, you know what time it is

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Medias are entering red flags narrative about PLD. Damn we are never gonna salvage ourselves from this hockey shithole we are living in.

Let the team mgmt do his job. If there are too many redflags, they won’t get him.

But now, if there was really a chance PLD wanted to come here, I can say without a doubt he doesn’t anymore.
 
JohnLennon said:
Author included 0 PIMs (isn't that a good thing?) and 0% Faceoffs (isn't he a winger?) to make it look worse, lol. Kind of silly.

Also - not like Laf is the only Ranger who underperformed. Panarin has 0 points in the last 6 playoff games.
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The bigger knock against Lafreniere is that he's trending behind Yakupov after three seasons and there are still issues with his game (skating primarily). I'd still bet on his talent, but its a bet. And Montreal already has their own 1st OA pick who didn't exactly light the world on fire in his 1st year. If you're going to get Lafreniere (which, if the price was right, I would), then you need a plan to develop both of them without coddling them.

Skip Bayless said:
The Drouin experience has caused a ton of trauma to this fan base.

*Lafrenière 30 pts season* : He is what we thought he was

*PLD 60 pts season* : He's just like Drouin, you know what time it is

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Those comments are extreme, but I say good. The hysteria here with Drouin was so detached from reality that I thought I was going insane. Its good that the general sentiment isn't that Dubois would be the next French Canadian star and lead the team going forward.
 
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Benstheman said:
Medias are entering red flags narrative about PLD. Damn we are never gonna salvage ourselves from this hockey shithole we are living in.

Let the team mgmt do his job. If there are too many redflags, they won’t get him.

But now, if there was really a chance PLD wanted to come here, I can say without a doubt he doesn’t anymore.
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This is before we even got him. I hope this guy is ready to live in the fishbowl here! It won’t be a fun experience.
 
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Stompin Paul Peller said:
Laf was just over rated at draft.

Laf was just over rated at draft.

Laf was just over rated at draft.
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Speculation: - Now that we know LA has #2 pick - how likely are they to make a play at #1?

Rumors all year long of teams trading up in the draft for #1 pick. I've always felt the most likely trade is with pick#2 in play, anything below that and value is way too far off. Obviously we don't yet know who has pick #1 - but looking at this strictly from LA's point of view, how likely are...
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I'm beginning to think we won't have the 17th as the main piece for PLD. If the 29th-32nd isn't enough, I won't want to trade any of our current top prospects in a package for him. We may be waiting until he hits UFA to get him.

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Benstheman said:
Medias are entering red flags narrative about PLD. Damn we are never gonna salvage ourselves from this hockey shithole we are living in.

Let the team mgmt do his job. If there are too many redflags, they won’t get him.

But now, if there was really a chance PLD wanted to come here, I can say without a doubt he doesn’t anymore.
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The talking heads will babble.

If Dubois is a real one, he knows he's a real one.

We don't need him to be the center piece. We don't even need a center. We need more top six forwards. And it would be great to get another top six forward of his size.

waitin425 said:
I'm beginning to think we won't have the 17th as the main piece for PLD. If the 29th-32nd isn't enough, I won't want to trade any of our current top prospects in a package for him. We may be waiting until he hits UFA to get him.

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Just have to wait and see for both our 1sts.

No telling where the balls will bounce in the lottery. And no telling if the Leafs will come through. They lost game 1 against Tampa 7-3.
 
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To those who want PLD...

Do you think he should earn more money than Suzuki?

So that means should we pay PLD over 8 million dollars a year?


 
River Meadow said:
To those who want PLD...

Do you think he should earn more money than Suzuki?

So that means should we pay PLD over 8 million dollars a year?


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Suzuki's cap hit % when his new contract started was 9.66%. I think PLD and Caufield should get the same %. So, yes, just over 8 mil.
 
nhlfan9191 said:
I mean we could’ve said the same thing about Dach last season and now many value him higher than Dubois because of his age, upside and cost effectiveness. Not the biggest fan of Lafreniere but he was a project as opposed to Dubois who came in more NHL ready and more or less looks like he’s plateaued at 25.
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Not really because when I watched Dach, you could see the production wasn't there but the talent level was. He's a 6'4" right handed center who skates beautifully, protects the puck well, has insane hands and is a really gifted passer.

You can't tell me one physical tool or skill that Laf has that is comparable at the NHL level. Dach you could see there was upside for days.. with Lafreniere, there's nothing he's flashing, there's nothing he's doing on the ice in the NHL that teases at more.
 
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Adam Michaels said:
- Zibanejad (their 1C) had 0 SOG at 5-on-5 all series. ATOI: 19:28
- Trotchek (their 2C) had 1 pt all series. ATOI: 17:48
- Panarin (their top line winger) had 2 pts all series (and as you point out, his 2 points were in Game 1 and 0 every other game) ATOI: 19:20
- Tarasenko (one of their big TDL acquisition) had 4 pts this series, but was held off the scoresheet in 4 of the 7 games. ATOI: 15:13 (least used F in Top-6)

Kane and Kreider are the only two Top-6 Fs that produced this series. Kane was held pointless in the final 3 games.
- Kane ATOI: 17:22
- Kreider ATOI: 19:15


Instead, he's pointing out a guy who was stuffed on the 3rd line even though he showed progress during the year and averaged 14:20 TOI in the playoffs.

It's not to say Laf couldn't have done more. But it's not fair to point to your 3rd liners before you point to your Top-6 guys.
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Rangers loaded up and dropped last years 2nd line of Laf Chytl and Kakko to the 3rd line and it failed spectacularly. They were better off last playoffs with the young second line but thought a bunch of vets who never played with each other and had zero chemistry was the way to go. Typical Ranger mentality of trying to buy a team and not build one. They got what they deserved and lowered the value of their own young players at the same time.
 
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What do those fancy salary calculators say about how much Dubois will get on his next contract?
 
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