Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

“Would you rather that the Habs trade for Dubois or instead wait and try to sign him when he becomes


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CHwest

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i took the time to write that it was not directed at you, but at large.

Now, to respond your point, Dubois isn't a college guy, he's a NHL players and a good one. He's just 24 years old and yet, put 2 time 27 goals and once 28 goals. He's physical, plays in front of the net, plays 200' .

Where is the link to an unsigned college player that Flames fans have probably never heard about and a player with more than 300 points in the NHL at only 24 ?
Then , i think that you should also take into consideration the fact that the Québec is a francophone province of 7 millions surrounded by what ? 350 millions of anglophones populations. The signification of getting a good francophone or Québec born player is in my opinion, far more important for us than in any other NHL teams getting a local player.
Still, If you look at all the noise Leafs fans make when a good Toronto born player is available, if you look how the Yotes fans are salivating just when you name Austin Matthews, i hope that you can figure out why with our specificity and unique culture, we appreciate to get a " des bons p'tits gars de chez nous "
Oh I get it, but it is frustrating when people deny it and then call me a bigot when I make mention of it. Like I said, my fear is that the team feels the pressure from fans and then over pays. I have no problem at all with him coming here if the price is fair. Mr. Bargain Bin left a real bad taste in my mouth with the over payment for Drouin.
 

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Oh I get it, but it is frustrating when people deny it and then call me a bigot when I make mention of it. Like I said, my fear is that the team feels the pressure from fans and then over pays. I have no problem at all with him coming here if the price is fair. Mr. Bargain Bin left a real bad taste in my mouth with the over payment for Drouin.
At the time, both players were promising skilled players. I can understand the frustration of the fans about the lost of Sergachev, but i still think that they were trowed in a very different situation ;What Sergachev would have done here with the core we had, versus what he has done for the best team of the NHL in the last 5 seasons ?
 

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At the time, both players were promising skilled players. I can understand the frustration of the fans about the lost of Sergachev, but i still think that they were trowed in a very different situation ;What Sergachev would have done here with the core we had, versus what he has done for the best team of the NHL in the last 5 seasons ?
Sergachev would’ve developed fine playing next to vets like Weber and Petry and he still would’ve been young enough to fit in with our current rebuild. You’re trying to put lipstick on a pig with that Drouin trade. That trade sucked the day it was made and it sucks far worse now. Bergevin gave up a player that was one year removed from being a top 10 pick for a player Tampa’s hands were completely tied with because of the expansion draft. And he did it because of his last name. There’s nothing to go off of with Dubois because nothing has happened yet. But saying it’s a very different situation is false. Hughes could very easily make the same mistake Bergevin did with Drouin by overpaying a team with no leverage then watching the fanbase eat the player alive when they realize he’s not the superstar they thought he was.
 
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Oh I get it, but it is frustrating when people deny it and then call me a bigot when I make mention of it. Like I said, my fear is that the team feels the pressure from fans and then over pays. I have no problem at all with him coming here if the price is fair. Mr. Bargain Bin left a real bad taste in my mouth with the over payment for Drouin.
You get called a bigot because your opinion is no that the player is good and that local fans are being swayed even more by the local context (perhaps too much) -- It's because you present an argument that the player is crap and only being talked about because of the local factor.

That's just not the case.

I personally couldn't car less that Dubois is from Quebec -- I'd still try to get him if he was an Albertan who has showed a desire to play in Montreal -- yet you act like I'm only interested in Dubois because he is a Quebecer.

That's where your bias shines.

Sergachev would’ve developed fine playing next to vets like Weber and Petry and he still would’ve been young enough to fit in with our current rebuild. You’re trying to put lipstick on a pig with that Drouin trade. That trade sucked the day it was made and it sucks far worse now. Bergevin gave up a player that was one year removed from being a top 10 pick for a player Tampa’s hands were completely tied with because of the expansion draft. And he did it because of his last name. There’s nothing to go off of with Dubois because nothing has happened yet. But saying it’s a very different situation is false. Hughes could very easily make the same mistake Bergevin did with Drouin by overpaying a team with no leverage then watching the fanbase eat the player alive when they realize he’s not the superstar they thought he was.
Clearly, we would have been better off giving Mete up for Drouin ;)
 
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CHwest

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You get called a bigot because your opinion is no that the player is good and that local fans are being swayed even more by the local context (perhaps too much) -- It's because you present an argument that the player is crap and only being talked about because of the local factor.

That's just not the case.

I personally couldn't car less that Dubois is from Quebec -- I'd still try to get him if he was an Albertan who has showed a desire to play in Montreal -- yet you act like I'm only interested in Dubois because he is a Quebecer.

That's where your bias shines.


Clearly, we would have been better off giving Mete up for Drouin ;)
I have never said he was crap, he's not. He's no savior either, he is a second line player that you in particular are convinced we need. You seem chronically offended which I guess is your choice, seems a thing for people in this present age.
 
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CHwest

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He's a good player but he doesn't seem like someone the Habs should target.
I don't think he should be targeted either, I think Dach will be a much better player and I cannot see Dubois being happy on the third line. Maybe he would accept being a winger?:huh: Either way I don't see anything special in him, I would welcome him for the right price and fit though.
 

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He was pretty dominant in last nights overtime. In that nasty series between the Jets and Knights, every time PLD’s line was on the ice, it seemed they dominated the opposition. He definitely played on the edge as well, and just missed scoring in OT when he hit the post. He looked like the first line center that the Habs have needed for 30 years.
 

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I don't think he should be targeted either, I think Dach will be a much better player and I cannot see Dubois being happy on the third line. Maybe he would accept being a winger?:huh: Either way I don't see anything special in him, I would welcome him for the right price and fit though.
You only prefer Dach because he's a good Western Boy.

(... See, everyone can play the game you've been playing since this thread was created)
 
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I have never said he was crap, he's not. He's no savior either, he is a second line player that you in particular are convinced we need. You seem chronically offended which I guess is your choice, seems a thing for people in this present age.
I never presented him as a saviour either. He's a top-6 player worth acquiring. He adds a physical dimension in front of the opposing net we don't really have and can contribute offensively on a regular basis, both scoring goals and setting up plays.

He also fits the demographics of the current young core we are building.

The fact he is inclined to sign with Montreal is the convenient tidbit about their top-6 player. For me, the fact he is a local player is an afterthought.

I would love to trade for other players, but I suspect they would cost much more than PLD in assets, given the current context that he will not be re-signing with WIN and that everyone across the league knows that.

I'd also be less sure that they would agree to sign a long term extension with Montreal.

Is Dubois the ONLY player that Montreal might want to add, or the BEST player that Montreal would want to add to the roster? Maybe not, but likelihood of doing so with Dubois is much higher than some other dream targets, IMO.

But, that's not to say that Dubois is chump change because of that.

It's an opportunity that is presenting itself.

Yes, personally, I would seize it. I just don't need to be falsely told I would do that ONLY because he is a francophone Quebecer.

Would you not want him ONLY because he is a francophone Quebecer?

It goes both ways.

Since I never mention him being a francophone Quebecer as a reason to acquire him and you do on behalf of posters you know nothing about, guess who sounds more prejudiced?

You only prefer Dach because he's a good Western Boy.

(... See, everyone can play the game you've been playing since this thread was created)
I think CHwest might have reserves about Dach if he was a redneck. Thankfully, he's not, I guess...
 

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I really think he will fit in great with the group we have here if it happens. His size/strength/skill combo will come in handy when we are playoff ready. Plus the fact he's a local boy is just gravy. Being able to acquire players like that at a somewhat discount is what teams dream of.
 
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I really think he will fit in great with the group we have here if it happens. His size/strength/skill combo will come in handy when we are playoff ready. Plus the fact he's a local boy is just gravy. Being able to acquire a players like that at a somewhat discount is what teams dream of.
He is the right age, right amount of experience, and a capable player who can get 65 + points every season, and can play on a top six anyday.

He was pretty dominant in last nights overtime. In that nasty series between the Jets and Knights, every time PLD’s line was on the ice, it seemed they dominated the opposition. He definitely played on the edge as well, and just missed scoring in OT when he hit the post. He looked like the first line center that the Habs have needed for 30 years.
He is certainly a top two line centerman.
 

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There’s a dozen other mentions of him wanting to be in Montreal from various writers including Arpon Basu/Murat Ates who wrote that PLD attended last years start thinking he was being acquired by the Habs. Kypreos has stated he’s coming to Montreal and has made it known -

"I see him in Montreal this summer at 100 miles per hour. He will not stay in Winnipeg long term. From what I hear, nothing will change his mind, not even a Stanley Cup!”

Elliot Friedman also weighed in:

"Jets have talked to the Canadiens on and off about Dubois, we know that Dubois is gonna end up there 95%, is there someway we can make a deal so the Canadiens get him earlier and we get something we want? They've talked about that"

Lebrun has talked about Montreal and the Jets having had extensive talks about PLD.

But yeah. The agent only mentioning Montreal was an isolated incident of accidentally spilling the beans on one team. Pat Brisson is known for being not that smart in negotiations and in the media. Probably a complete accident on his behalf.
No way was it an accident, his client wants out of Winnipeg and since he's French it's automatic Montreal gets named. He is keeping the pressure on the Jets.
 

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You would do well to extend the same courtesy you ask for to me, it is an opinion just like yours. I find it humorous that this fan group is so local focused, as I said I don't see it in Alberta. As a matter of fact I saw in a thread (I believe it was about collage players without contracts) a name was mentioned that was from Calgary. So... I checked the Calgary board, plugged the name in and zip, no mention. I think you can agree had it been a player from your part of the country there would be a thread dedicated to him. In my opinion Dubois is very over rated by this group of fans, and while I think he would be a useful addition I fear over payment as was the case for Drouin, because the fans put pressure on management.


Quebec is a cultural enclave because of the language. Alberta is not.

You sound a bit ignorant/naïve in that regard. Basically all language minorities with sufficient population in the world have formed strong local cultures. Catalans, Kurds, Soviet Unions states when they were a single country, Flemish and French in Belgium, etc.

I’m often amazed by the incapacity of some English Canadians to understand that Quebecers behaviour in forming a distinct culture is the norm, we are not acting « special » like I hear so often.

With that cleared out…PLD is the only player his caliber or better who wants to play here so I’d want him if he was Austrian, Indian, Brazilian, Martian, you name it. Him being a local boy is a bonus.
 

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I really think he will fit in great with the group we have here if it happens. His size/strength/skill combo will come in handy when we are playoff ready. Plus the fact he's a local boy is just gravy. Being able to acquire players like that at a somewhat discount is what teams dream of.
Yup - what’s being lost in this discussion is the importance of team building. PLDs big body aggressive style is complementary to either of the top-2 lines, let alone the ability to slot in seamlessly at C or W. PLD would really complement @ LW w Suzuki / Caufield, allowing Slaf / Dach to continue their growth
 
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