Great post bud
I may be wrong on this but I’ve never heard of other teams fanbases, media and management bringing up a local quota in regards to players and staff anywhere else in the NHL. Maybe places like Toronto and Ottawa would also if they weren’t a factory for talent. But it’s hard to ignore here if you’re a Canadiens fan looking from outside Quebec. And I’m sure it is for locals as well. It cripples the team when you put restrictions out there like that. There’s nothing wrong with wanting local players on your team if you’re a local fan, but it shouldn’t come with additional costs whether that be paying extra in a trade or overpaying on a contract. I don’t think you’ll find many, if any fans that wouldn’t take PLD. The argument is that everything from acquiring him to how he fits into future plans cap wise has To make sense ad we’re not just opening a blank cheque because of where he was born.
Has anyone in this thread who actually wants PLD said that we should overpay for him? Because it seems to me that the overpay because he's local is strictly something that people who don't want PLD bring up, nobody who actually wants him is saying let's overpay to get him.
Nah it happens all the time in every sport. Bruins always target some Massachusetts guys and their fans want a few around, Minnesota, Detroit, Ottawa with Giroux, Toronto and Ontario players, Vancouver and BC players. Even Vegas went out of their way to get Deryk Engelland because he played for the old Vegas ECHL team.
It means exactly what it says. He’s a good, not a great player. Unless we think 60 point players are great now. I don’t even know what you’re going on about here.
I’m going to need an interpreter for your posts. What?
Trading for a 24 year old Dubois is in no way similar to what the Habs have done in the 21st century. When was the last time we traded for a top 6 forward in his prime?
There are plenty of people in this thread willing to throw everything and the kitchen sink for him threw a trade Winnipeg has no leverage over us for.
Like I said, I have no problem with fans who want local talent, my point came with paying above market value to make it happens which we don’t know yet.
He’s 24 now. He’ll be 26 when his 7/8 year deal would potentially kick in. Most offensive players are iffy once they get into their 30’s which it will.
If we trade for him this offseason it would be to give him an 8 year deal starting right away, which would run from 25-32, and he wouldn't even turn 32 until after the 8yr deal is over since he's a late June birthday.
Really there are people saying we should trade Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle, our 1st round pick? Because I haven't seen that so you and I must have very different definitions of what everything and the kitchen sink is.
Listen, would you pay Gallagher 6.5M at 34? Cuz that's what he's getting
If the Habs have 2 picks in the top 17 there is a very good chance both players will be as good as Dubois.
Really?
You said people where willing to trade everything and the kitchen sink, that would imply one of the guys I listed. But nobody has ever suggested that because nobody is actually willing to pay a price of "everything and the kitchen sink" unless your definition of "everything and the kitchen sink" is very tame.
No. The whole point is that for the first time in forever we're in a situation that some other big market teams have enjoyed in the past. In fact, those who want PLD have explicitly brought up the Trouba example, because it's basically a carbon copy of what happened there. In the normal circumstances a player like Dubois would not have been available, or would require us to give up a crazy amount of assets. On the other hand, some people here agonize over late 1st round picks (as if we regularly draft players of PLD's caliber with those), so they might very well consider even that as an overpayment.
Yankees fans do it too , agree with your post though
If this is true sounds like Kent Hughes will be concocting a maestro fleece!!
You bring valid points. I'm just not convinced he deserves the contract he will get and wish we would pay big bucks for elite players first and complementary players second. It doesnt always work that way unfortunately, if you have a chance to get a legit C like him I guess you go for it but anything over 8 scares the shit out of me.
You mean he wouldn't turn 33 until after his 8th season. Because the hockey season starts in October.
Yeah my bad, I got that mixed up with the age on a 7 year deal. Either way my point is just that I don't think the typical concerns about signing a veteran for 7-8 years apply in this case given usually that means someone who's already 29 when it starts, and I don't think we should really be worried than he'll be some cap anchor in 7 or 8 years when he'll only be 31 or 32.
