Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Goldthorpe]

Putting myself in Jet's shoes, the more I think about it, the more I would consider signing him for his last year of RFA and trade him at the deadline.

Even assuming he wouldn't want to sign long term anywhere else but Montreal, he could still fetch a ton. He's the kind of player who will automatically make your team better and can play in all situations. He could very well be the best rental available, and not cost a lot if the Jets retain some salary.

There's a team out there who will want to trade a first+ for a post season run with him, even with no hope of retaining him.

From the Jets point of view, any offers from the habs this offseason must beat this hypothetical deadline deal.

We could also see it on the flip side and say that from the habs point of view, it doesn't make sense to offer more than this hypothetical deadline deal, as anything significantly more (taking into account having him for a full RFA season instead of just the end) would be overpaying.

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

Putting myself in Jet's shoes, the more I think about it, the more I would consider signing him for his last year of RFA and trade him at the deadline.

Even assuming he wouldn't want to sign long term anywhere else but Montreal, he could still fetch a ton. He's the kind of player who will automatically make your team better and can play in all situations. He could very well be the best rental available, and not cost a lot if the Jets retain some salary.

There's a team out there who will want to trade a first+ for a post season run with him, even with no hope of retaining him.

From the Jets point of view, any offers from the habs this offseason must beat this hypothetical deadline deal.

We could also see it on the flip side and say that from the habs point of view, it doesn't make sense to offer more than this hypothetical deadline deal, as anything significantly more (taking into account having him for a full RFA season instead of just the end) would be overpaying.

Why would they trade him right before a playoff run? Doesn't really make sense, they will get more for him in this off-season and they can use the money he would get on a player that could help them moving forward.

 

[Goldthorpe]

Why would they trade him right before a playoff run? Doesn't really make sense, they will get more for him in this off-season and they can use the money he would get on a player that could help them moving forward.

They will get more from whom? Another team than the habs? If you trade for only a year of him, do you really want to do so before you know you'll make the playoffs or not?

Or maybe there's a team out there who think they can impress him enough during the year to extend him.

 

[HABitual Fan]

I think he'll hit 80 pts here. But I also think there's a decent chance he is on the first line W with Suzuki and Caufield.

Hockey wise maybe, but personally I would not want a 24M top line and watch teams key on them. You bring in a player at that price, you hope it means you can roll a more balanced attack.

 

[Toene]

Exactly what we need, another sub-ppg forward. Let's bloat our top-6, leaving no room for our tons of prospects. It worked well for the last... 20+ years.

 

[CHwest]

You only prefer Dach because he's a good Western Boy.

(... See, everyone can play the game you've been playing since this thread was created)

You sir are a bigot.

 

[Mudz]

Why would they trade him right before a playoff run? Doesn't really make sense, they will get more for him in this off-season and they can use the money he would get on a player that could help them moving forward.

Because they would be out of the playoff... If not they obviously keep him. (just like their other 6!! UFAs)

So who are they signing with that 6+ millions? By the way, I'll save you time, there's no one to sign, even less if you factor in the Winnipeg factor

Putting myself in Jet's shoes, the more I think about it, the more I would consider signing him for his last year of RFA and trade him at the deadline.

Even assuming he wouldn't want to sign long term anywhere else but Montreal, he could still fetch a ton. He's the kind of player who will automatically make your team better and can play in all situations. He could very well be the best rental available, and not cost a lot if the Jets retain some salary.

There's a team out there who will want to trade a first+ for a post season run with him, even with no hope of retaining him.

From the Jets point of view, any offers from the habs this offseason must beat this hypothetical deadline deal.

We could also see it on the flip side and say that from the habs point of view, it doesn't make sense to offer more than this hypothetical deadline deal, as anything significantly more (taking into account having him for a full RFA season instead of just the end) would be overpaying.

It really depends if they rebuild this summer or go for one last push with 6 others impending UFAs.

 

[The Great Weal]

Exactly what we need, another sub-ppg forward. Let's bloat our top-6, leaving no room for our tons of prospects. It worked well for the last... 20+ years.

Can you name how many 60+point forwards we have drafted in the last 20 years?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Exactly what we need, another sub-ppg forward. Let's bloat our top-6, leaving no room for our tons of prospects. It worked well for the last... 20+ years.

The probability that one of those prospects becomes a 6'3 60+ point centre is extremely low considering none of the forwards are 6'3, or bigger, but go on.

 

[salbutera]

Putting myself in Jet's shoes, the more I think about it, the more I would consider signing him for his last year of RFA and trade him at the deadline.

Even assuming he wouldn't want to sign long term anywhere else but Montreal, he could still fetch a ton. He's the kind of player who will automatically make your team better and can play in all situations. He could very well be the best rental available, and not cost a lot if the Jets retain some salary.

There's a team out there who will want to trade a first+ for a post season run with him, even with no hope of retaining him.

From the Jets point of view, any offers from the habs this offseason must beat this hypothetical deadline deal.

We could also see it on the flip side and say that from the habs point of view, it doesn't make sense to offer more than this hypothetical deadline deal, as anything significantly more (taking into account having him for a full RFA season instead of just the end) would be overpaying.

Off season nets maximum return - especially in terms of NHL ready assets. Trade deadline almost always nets futures (picks) vs actual players/prospects

So from a Jets perspective they’ll net max this summer. Very similar to Trouba scenario - Chevaldayoff went for 1st + young NHL ready asset (Pionk). PLD trade will net similar return IMO

 

[sampollock]

Go get him at the draft
Get him here for the build now

 

[Chomsky22]

They will get more from whom? Another team than the habs? If you trade for only a year of him, do you really want to do so before you know you'll make the playoffs or not?

Or maybe there's a team out there who think they can impress him enough during the year to extend him.

Putting myself in Jet's shoes, the more I think about it, the more I would consider signing him for his last year of RFA and trade him at the deadline.

Even assuming he wouldn't want to sign long term anywhere else but Montreal, he could still fetch a ton. He's the kind of player who will automatically make your team better and can play in all situations. He could very well be the best rental available, and not cost a lot if the Jets retain some salary.

There's a team out there who will want to trade a first+ for a post season run with him, even with no hope of retaining him.

From the Jets point of view, any offers from the habs this offseason must beat this hypothetical deadline deal.

We could also see it on the flip side and say that from the habs point of view, it doesn't make sense to offer more than this hypothetical deadline deal, as anything significantly more (taking into account having him for a full RFA season instead of just the end) would be overpaying.

FLA’s 1st round pick, unless they get to the conference final, is as good as any 1st rounder available at the deadline AND is in a deep draft. Knowing he doesn’t re-sign with you as a pure rental, I don’t see that crazy package been given by any contender.

 

[salbutera]

Can you name how many 60+point forwards we have drafted in the last 20 years?

20? Try 50-years…

 

[Scriptor]

Hockey wise maybe, but personally I would not want a 24M top line and watch teams key on them. You bring in a player at that price, you hope it means you can roll a more balanced attack.

Off season nets maximum return - especially in terms of NHL ready assets. Trade deadline almost always nets futures (picks) vs actual players/prospects

So from a Jets perspective they’ll net max this summer. Very similar to Trouba scenario - Chevaldayoff went for 1st + young NHL ready asset (Pionk). PLD trade will net similar return IMO

So, you have it, then -- FLA pick + Barron = Dubois, FLA pick + Beck = Dubois. I'd rather it be Barron than Beck.

Pretty simple, regarding the D. Barron has good offensive potential, but is soft and has occasional defensive brain farts where he has no clue whom to cover in his own zone near the net.

Mailloux will have as much offensive upside and can still work on hisnown f=defensive brain farts.

Pairing Guhle with Mailloux makes more sense to me than pairing Guhle with Barron. Better upside.

Montreal, whether we like it or not, needs a shutdown RHD to play with Matheson and, then, maybe, with Hutson. There is no such D currently in the system.

Kovacevic is an adequate 3rd pairing DE and Harris can play RHD on a 3rd pairing.

 

[Sorinth]

Hockey wise maybe, but personally I would not want a 24M top line and watch teams key on them. You bring in a player at that price, you hope it means you can roll a more balanced attack.

If we get Dubois we would have a very versatile group. Against teams that lack depth you could roll 3 lines, against other teams you load up and overwhelm them. In fact you can even make those changes in game to make it very hard for opposing teams to play the matchup game. Opposing team ices the puck put Dach or Dubois out as a winger on the Caufield-Suzuki line, have an important defensive zone faceoff throw Evans on the line, etc...

If we do get Dubois I'd be very curious to see how much importance MSL places on having steady linemates because the possibilities are endless. We could even do something crazy like have Suzuki-Dach-Dubois play 20min each and simply run 3 lines and rotate wingers around.

 

[Canadienna]

Putting myself in Jet's shoes, the more I think about it, the more I would consider signing him for his last year of RFA and trade him at the deadline.

Even assuming he wouldn't want to sign long term anywhere else but Montreal, he could still fetch a ton. He's the kind of player who will automatically make your team better and can play in all situations. He could very well be the best rental available, and not cost a lot if the Jets retain some salary.

There's a team out there who will want to trade a first+ for a post season run with him, even with no hope of retaining him.

From the Jets point of view, any offers from the habs this offseason must beat this hypothetical deadline deal.

So what beats a hypothetical deadline deal then?

Would the Jets really get a better deadline offer than a mid 1st (FLA) and prospect?

I imagine any 1st they get will be late. Habs have one of the deepest prospect pools in the league. There's a lot of guys to choose from for their scouts.

Then on top of that, Jets will get their young players this summer at the draft, as opposed to waiting for the 2024 draft.

Maybe it just depends on the prospect, but I think that deal makes sense for the Jets.

 

[MXD]

If we do get Dubois I'd be very curious to see how much importance MSL places on having steady linemates because the possibilities are endless. We could even do something crazy like have Suzuki-Dach-Dubois play 20min each and simply run 3 lines and rotate wingers around.

MSL has shown something of a tendency to go top-heavy for player deployment; whether or not that tendency is directly inspired by his own career is up to anyone's guess.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Question: What's tne rules about trading a player who accepted an offer sheet?

The team who matches cannot trade said player for the season or only the team who successfully signs said player through offer sheet cannot trade the player for the 1st season?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Question: What's tne rules about trading a player who accepted an offer sheet?

The team who matches cannot trade said player for the season or only the team who successfully signs said player through offer sheet cannot trade the player for the 1st season?

I believe either way it's 1 year you gotta wait.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I believe either way it's 1 year you gotta wait.

So why not send a one year 6.3 million dollar offers heat to PLD knowing full well Jets will match it and thus bring PLD straight to July 1st where we can sign him? The offer sheet takes away the possibility of Jets trading PLD to a team that "may" convince him to resign with them no?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

So why not send a one year 6.3 million dollar offers heat to PLD knowing full well Jets will match it and thus bring PLD straight to July 1st where we can sign him? The offer sheet takes away the possibility of Jets trading PLD to a team that "may" convince him to resign with them no?

PLD would need to accept it.

6.3 is a 1st and a 3rd. Habs 1st isn't protected that way and they'll still suck, so that's a bad move.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Clearly, we would have been better off giving Mete up for Drouin

If someone from that habs organisation was thinking Mete would have been better than Sergachev, please give that person his 6%.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

PLD would need to accept it.

6.3 is a 1st and a 3rd. Habs 1st isn't protected that way and they'll still suck, so that's a bad move.

Nah Habs are better than what they showed this year... come on now.
The Habs sported an AHL line up 85% of the season.

Will they make the PO's next season, maybe not, but they won't finish bottom 10 that's for sure

 

[ZUKI]

Sergachev would’ve developed fine playing next to vets like Weber and Petry and he still would’ve been young enough to fit in with our current rebuild. You’re trying to put lipstick on a pig with that Drouin trade. That trade sucked the day it was made and it sucks far worse now. Bergevin gave up a player that was one year removed from being a top 10 pick for a player Tampa’s hands were completely tied with because of the expansion draft. And he did it because of his last name. There’s nothing to go off of with Dubois because nothing has happened yet. But saying it’s a very different situation is false. Hughes could very easily make the same mistake Bergevin did with Drouin by overpaying a team with no leverage then watching the fanbase eat the player alive when they realize he’s not the superstar they thought he was.

We all know that Bergevin lost that trade big time. But he also made very good trades to. I don't want to start a Bergy speech here, but did it because i also want to add on his list the trades Hughes has made until now. Why ? because that 's a lot of trades both together that didn't went clearly bad. I really really appreciate what Hugues has done ; Dach, Monhahan ( until injured ), Matheson, are all tremendous moves.

But now, you put all the trades made by both the former and present GMs in a garbage bin just based on the Drouin deal, and that Dubois is also a local player. As if suddenly Hugues will make a clown of himself because 6 years ago, Bergevin traded for a Québec born player and it went bad ? so logic here .

The fact that Dubois is from here has nothing to do with Drouin. They are not the same person, and Drouin wasn't traded only because of his name, but because he was a very promising player and that he was the most dangerous guy of Tampa in the series just previous to the trade. Same for Dubois by the way, he's very good right now .

When it's about Québec players, some of you still bring the selection of Leblanc in the first round, added to the trade for Drouin, to justify that the Habs shouldn't touch a Québec born player, that for at least the eternity..

 

[ole ole]

So why not send a one year 6.3 million dollar offers heat to PLD knowing full well Jets will match it and thus bring PLD straight to July 1st where we can sign him? The offer sheet takes away the possibility of Jets trading PLD to a team that "may" convince him to resign with them no?

Guess it was already pointed out.