Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

“Would you rather that the Habs trade for Dubois or instead wait and try to sign him when he becomes


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Yesterday on the Sick podcast (scroll to 20:30 of the podcast) portzline who covers Columbus said that PLD expected an offer sheet from Montreal and when he didn’t get it he stopped playing forcing Kerko to trade him. Says PLDs number one desire is to play for MTL and that he’s a 30-50-80 centre in the league.


To add context, Portzline implied that Dubois' trade request was predicated by the frustration that the Blue Jackets cleared cap space to potentially match any incoming OS. It is perhaps very true that Bergevin was prepared to OS Dubois. The overall implication has been that Dubois has been maneuvering himself to the point of being traded to the Habs or being able to determine his own fate once he hits free agency. All that talk that he would love to play for Montreal last summer while still an RFA was certainly calculated. His attendance at the draft was for sure in anticipation of a potential trade to the Habs on the draft floor. Not to mention his insistence on settling for one-year contracts.
 

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Yesterday on the Sick podcast (scroll to 20:30 of the podcast) portzline who covers Columbus said that PLD expected an offer sheet from Montreal and when he didn’t get it he stopped playing forcing Kerko to trade him. Says PLDs number one desire is to play for MTL and that he’s a 30-50-80 centre in the league.


You can’t claim a player is a 30-50-80 point player when the said player has a career high of 63 points in 7 seasons and hasn’t hit 30 goals yet.
 

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To add context, Portzline implied that Dubois' trade request was predicated by the frustration that the Blue Jackets cleared cap space to potentially match any incoming OS. It is perhaps very true that Bergevin was prepared to OS Dubois. The overall implication has been that Dubois has been maneuvering himself to the point of being traded to the Habs or being able to determine his own fate once he hits free agency. All that talk that he would love to play for Montreal last summer while still an RFA was certainly calculated. His attendance at the draft was for sure in anticipation of a potential trade to the Habs on the draft floor. Not to mention his insistence on settling for one-year contracts.
So is he saying the deal didn't get done because of the ask and then HuGo turns around and gets Dach? It seems very unlikely we had the means of getting both. The Jets may have wanted 1OA as part of a deal?
 

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Sure you can; you can claim anything. It doesn't mean it's true though.
He's a career 57 points per 82 games played player. This season was his best so far and is pro rated at 70 points per 82 games played.

I think it's safe to say he's a 65-70 point player as of right now. Could he become a PPG player in the future? Of course he can. Should we trade for him? Yes.
 

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He's a career 57 points per 82 games played player. This season was his best so far and is pro rated at 70 points per 82 games played.

I think it's safe to say he's a 65-70 point player as of right now. Could he become a PPG player in the future? Of course he can. Should we trade for him? Yes.
What is the point of adding another good player if it lowers our chances of landing an elite player through the draft?

This is not the roster that is going to be a perennial contender - we have maybe 1 elite player and no franchise players. We need to build through the draft and hope to hit on elite talent. Cutting off the rebuild by signing players to push us towards the middle is not going to work.
 

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So is he saying the deal didn't get done because of the ask and then HuGo turns around and gets Dach? It seems very unlikely we had the means of getting both. The Jets may have wanted 1OA as part of a deal?

Portzline was referring to the trade request when PLD was in Columbus, not with the Jets. And Dach was, at that point, obviously not a Hab.
 

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Yesterday on the Sick podcast (scroll to 20:30 of the podcast) portzline who covers Columbus said that PLD expected an offer sheet from Montreal and when he didn’t get it he stopped playing forcing Kerko to trade him. Says PLDs number one desire is to play for MTL and that he’s a 30-50-80 centre in the league.



Portzline said PLD wanted an offer sheet from Montreal, and when CLB made moves to have enough cap space to prevent an offer sheet, he was disappointed with management. He said PLd then requested a trade. He said when management failed to make a trade after a long time, Dubois then had that game with that famous shift he took off. Portzilne called that shift or game a message to management for not trading him. But Portzile said it was a one off - i.e. just that game and not the way he has ever played other than that.

Portzline also said he sees PLD becoming a 30 goal 50 assist 80 point game if he continues to develop when he hits his prime. Says he's a fantastic player.
 
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To add context, Portzline implied that Dubois' trade request was predicated by the frustration that the Blue Jackets cleared cap space to potentially match any incoming OS. It is perhaps very true that Bergevin was prepared to OS Dubois. The overall implication has been that Dubois has been maneuvering himself to the point of being traded to the Habs or being able to determine his own fate once he hits free agency. All that talk that he would love to play for Montreal last summer while still an RFA was certainly calculated. His attendance at the draft was for sure in anticipation of a potential trade to the Habs on the draft floor. Not to mention his insistence on settling for one-year contracts.
And again tho, the real reason he was at the draft was because he lives 15 minute walk from bell center he said
And he spends offseasons in MTL, and obviously didn't want to miss such an event that is the draft in MTL first time since the 80's
(This doesn't qwell PLD to MTL by any means too lol)
 

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What is the point of adding another good player if it lowers our chances of landing an elite player through the draft?

This is not the roster that is going to be a perennial contender - we have maybe 1 elite player and no franchise players. We need to build through the draft and hope to hit on elite talent. Cutting off the rebuild by signing players to push us towards the middle is not going to work.
I disagree, we have more than enough good prospects in the pipelines plus what we will add in this draft. We should be looking to add the right veterans to the mix. The chances of getting a PLD or better in the 2024 draft is very low. The rebuild is over after this draft. Time to start competing.
 

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How is that? Does his contract have a No Trade Clause?

He doesn't have a contract and for most teams making that trade would hinge on being able to sign him long term, so he can just say "sorry guys I'm not signing with you". That how the trade for Pacioretty to LA got nixed, Patch didn't agree to sign with them and the deal died on the draft floor.
 

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What is the point of adding another good player if it lowers our chances of landing an elite player through the draft?

This is not the roster that is going to be a perennial contender - we have maybe 1 elite player and no franchise players. We need to build through the draft and hope to hit on elite talent. Cutting off the rebuild by signing players to push us towards the middle is not going to work.
With Dach's emergence at center, we seemed to be a threat to win every night with two good C's in the lineup. Our defense will be better, and our goaltending often come up big. I don't see us finishing near the bottom again next year. After this hopefully successful draft, time to build by adding all the good young pieces we can.
 
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With Dach's emergence at center, we seemed to be a threat to win every night with two good C's in the lineup. Our defense will be better, and our goaltending often come up big. I don't see us finishing near the bottom again next year. After this hopefully successful draft, time to build by adding all the good young pieces we can.
Absolutely, we're almost ready to contend for the playoffs. The rebuild is over.
 

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It's not a bad idea, if you want to seriously tank for Michael Misa in 2025.

We could trade everything we have of value and get around 18 first round picks in 2025. If we don't win the lottery ourselves, we can trade 2, 3,5 or whatever number of first round picks it takes to entice the lottery winner to move their pick to us. We would still have over a dozen 1st rounders left to rebuild our roster.

Posted with a bit of tongue in cheek, but if anyone wants to keep tanking past this year, at least do it right!
no need to tank in 2025, habs win the lottery with flames pick move up to number 2 overall, also habs would get the better of flames or florida if both teams picks are top 10. please correct me if i misunderstood the conditions on the pick acquired for taking monohan
 

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Yeah and the year prior he was legitimately the worst goalie in the entire league. The truth is he's somewhere in between and definitely can't handle the starter role.
You are wrong because you don't take in consideration that the Habs beat for 2 consecutive seasons, the record for the highest numbers of player/game missed . Montembeault not only put good numbers this season, he did it in front of a bunch of rookie players. Game after game, he was making tremendous saves . To end the season with those numbers is amazing, regarding the decimated and young team he was playing for.
 
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Absolutely, we're almost ready to contend for the playoffs. The rebuild is over.
But if Slaf and our 1st this year don't pan out, and we can't find stars in low probability ways, like later 1sts and 2nds, then we'll be either in no man's land or right back in a rebuild.

Big draft coming up. The lottery in 3 Mondays from now will also be huge.
 

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if it lowers our chances of landing an elite player through the draft?
Where do you think this team will be in the standings next year, with or without Dubois? We had cartoonishly bad injury luck and Allen was terrible all year, and that was only enough to finish 28th. If they don't add anybody and just bring back our RFAs for next year I think we're already looking more at the 7-9 range than the top 5, and I don't have any qualms whatsoever with adding Dubois if it means we end up 10-12 pre lottery or something.

Alternatively, if you do think we're on track for a top 5 pick again in 2024 and that Dubois alone would ruin that...to me that's just even more of a reason to trade for him given that would implicitly mean he's a very good and impactful player.
This is not the roster that is going to be a perennial contender - we have maybe 1 elite player and no franchise players. We need to build through the draft and hope to hit on elite talent.
We are building through the draft. That doesn't mean every single core player needs to be a draft pick or that we can't add a single player over 21 for the next 5 years.

Dubois was picked 3rd overall too, if you want to say he hasn't lived up to that draft slot so we can't call him an elite player that's fine and I would agree, but that also illustrates the risk involved with just banking on endless tanking as the way forward. The likelihood that the Florida pick at 17 and the marginal difference in our own 2024 pick caused by adding Dubois will be more valuable than Dubois himself over the next 8 seasons is very low in my opinion.
Cutting off the rebuild by signing players to push us towards the middle is not going to work.
If Dubois signs an 8 year deal this offseason, he won't even be 32 years old by the time the contract is over. Trading for him is not "cutting off the rebuild"; it is adding a player to be part of the rebuild for the long haul.
 

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no need to tank in 2025, habs win the lottery with flames pick move up to number 2 overall, also habs would get the better of flames or florida if both teams picks are top 10. please correct me if i misunderstood the conditions on the pick acquired for taking monohan

That part cannot happen since the FLA 2025 first round pick is top10 protected and the Flames wouldn't own that pick but FLA 2026 first round pick instead. And for MTL to receive a pick in the 2nd~10th range out of that trade, FLA pick need to slide to 2026, otherwise we always end up with FLA not top10 pick in 2025.
 
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Awesome, I'm sure you do.


Yes, Elliot would never throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks. Where's the quote from PLD? Did we find it yet? All of this is based on one comment, where, when asked if he would like to play in Montreal, he responded yes.

Lets create a 100 page thread about this goood, not great player.
The quote was from his agent, not from him. But prior to that , i think that Dubois have talked about his dream to play for the Habs. Also, when there are so much people talking about the same fact, it probably means that those close to him are know his feeling . A little double sens comment here and there, a blink ...
 

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You are wrong because you don't take in consideration that the Habs beat for 2 consecutive seasons, the record for the highest numbers of player/game missed . Montembeault not only put good numbers this season, he did it in front of a bunch of rookie players. Game after game, he was making tremendous saves . To end the season with those numbers is amazing, regarding the decimated and young team he was playing for.
I would like to see what Monty can do, with a decent team in front of him............he did for the most part, have a good season this past year.
I also agree with the previous poster, he was awful the year before, so let's be careful on judging at this point.................thinking he could go either way next year.

Have said this before, just because someone's opinion doesn't match yours, not sure you should tell someone they are wrong............it's their opinion.
 
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That part cannot happen since the FLA 2025 first round pick is top10 protected and the Flames wouldn't own that pick but FLA 2026 first round pick instead. And for MTL to receive a pick in the 2nd~10th range out of that trade, FLA pick need to slide to 2026, otherwise we always end up with FLA not top10 pick in 2025.
They're a law grad somewhere writing his thesis on the conditions of that trade alone.
 
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How is that? Does his contract have a No Trade Clause?
No..........he one year of RFA left, and his agent seems to bully his way around the dance floor.
If it's true and he wants to play for the Habs, then no team will bother, and Chevy has to deal with the Habs, and the Habs only.....
I do believe we get PLD this summer, I just hope it's not at the expense of giving up too much of our assets....

He can be a 60-70 pt player on a team with our core easily.
 

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What is the point of adding another good player if it lowers our chances of landing an elite player through the draft?

This is not the roster that is going to be a perennial contender - we have maybe 1 elite player and no franchise players. We need to build through the draft and hope to hit on elite talent. Cutting off the rebuild by signing players to push us towards the middle is not going to work.
Let's trade Suzuki, Caufield and Dach to get more first round selections , so we can pick up players that could be as good as them, in 4-5 years :pickle:

Seriously, Dubois is one year older than Suzuki, he's a good player with a physical presence. If you can get a player like him, you just do it. You build a core of players that will play together for few seasons and develop a good chemistry
 
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Let's trade Suzuki, Caufield and Dach to get more first round selections , so we can pick up players that could be as good as them, in 4-5 years :pickle:

Seriously, Dubois is one year older than Suzuki, he's a good player with a physical presence. If you can get a player like him, you just do it. You build a core of players that will play together for few seasons and develop a good chemistry
No you don't just do it, the deal has to work.

He is not all that and a bag of chips, 2,500 posts in one month on a second line center, but no it's not
because he is from around here. OK



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