Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Jaynki]

Him playing well actually is bad news for us cause he will cost a bunch. lol

There is this old and broken belief that we should not pay a high price to acquire player or we should sign player to the lowest aav and "best contract".

I know you are being sarcastic but him playing well is an absolute pleasure and an eye-opener to those who thinks we dont need him. It hurts to overpay grinder. It never hurts to pay your stars their due.

Good business is a fair deal for both side. Its not about f***ing the other side.

 

[Ezpz]

Montembeault ranked between the 10-15 best goaler this season on a GSAx basis.

The thing is, the goalie better than him are usually legit, established number one, and untouchable.

The goaler in the same tier are always available in bunch every summer, choppy, inconsistent and not better than him.

The sample size is still small, but Montembeault is at the top of the 2nd tier of goaltender. He is an adequate number one and we are in business with him. Him playing for .500 with the absolute shitty teams he had is wow.

Yeah and the year prior he was legitimately the worst goalie in the entire league. The truth is he's somewhere in between and definitely can't handle the starter role.

 

[Jaynki]

Yeah and the year prior he was legitimately the worst goalie in the entire league. The truth is he's somewhere in between and definitely can't handle the starter role.

We will see.

Sure things, its not worth spending assets on goaltender like Carter Hart as he is not objectively better than Montembeault.

 

[Ezpz]

We will see.

Sure things, its not worth spending assets on goaltender like Carter Hart as he is not objectively better than Montembeault.

It's not worth spending assets because we are not close to ending this rebuild. Our d need a few years of experience regardless of who's in net. I am simply stating even with Dubois we are outside of the wildcard spot

 

[le_sean]

The perfect winger for Suzuki would play short-handed often, PLD would be perfect.

I don't know if I'm trolling since I never watch PLD play but would he really be perfect for what we need?

I think his size and versatility are much needed. He is big, is great along the boards and contributes most of his points from the front of the net. Nick and Cole contribute mostly from the hash-marks and out. If you watch the Jets, he’s pretty instrumental in getting good looks for Kyle Connor - someone who profiles like Caufield.

Then there’s the added bonus of being able to play centre or wing. You can try new combinations and look for mismatches. Having trouble maintaining zone possession? Put him with Dach and Slafkovsky. He can fit anywhere up and down a lineup and is good for 65 points.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I like him much more as a winger, FWIW, it's where I see the most potential in him. He's not much of a two way center, it's not really his game. Can't help but think he would mix very well on the left of Suzuki and Caufield too, the fit seems pretty natural. He did say multiple times that he sees himself as a center though and there's more money in being a center.

 

[Jaynki]

It's not worth spending assets because we are not close to ending this rebuild. Our d need a few years of experience regardless of who's in net. I am simply stating even with Dubois we are outside of the wildcard spot

If we were contending. It would still not be worth spending assets because a goaltender like Carter Hart is not an improvement over Montembeault.

Goaltender that would be a clear improvement on him are usually untouchable.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Speculation from a couple with credibility as good as Eklund’s.

Sure man. Whatever makes you feel better.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Awesome, I'm sure you do.

Sure man. Whatever makes you feel better.

Yes, Elliot would never throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks. Where's the quote from PLD? Did we find it yet? All of this is based on one comment, where, when asked if he would like to play in Montreal, he responded yes.

Lets create a 100 page thread about this goood, not great player.

 

[MXD]

Awesome, I'm sure you do.


Yes, Elliot would never throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks. Where's the quote from PLD? Did we find it yet? All of this is based on one comment, where, when asked if he would like to play in Montreal, he responded yes.

Lets create a 100 page thread about this goood, not great player.

...And let's post the equivalent of 10 pages of being a contrarian.

 

[sampollock]

People tend to forget about 1 thing. People asked his agent if he would like to play for MTL and he said yes. They never asked if he would like to play elsewhere...

money talks

 

[BaseballCoach]

We should trade Suzuki for picks, too old.

It's not a bad idea, if you want to seriously tank for Michael Misa in 2025.

We could trade everything we have of value and get around 18 first round picks in 2025. If we don't win the lottery ourselves, we can trade 2, 3,5 or whatever number of first round picks it takes to entice the lottery winner to move their pick to us. We would still have over a dozen 1st rounders left to rebuild our roster.

Posted with a bit of tongue in cheek, but if anyone wants to keep tanking past this year, at least do it right!

 

[SOLR]

It's not worth spending assets because we are not close to ending this rebuild. Our d need a few years of experience regardless of who's in net. I am simply stating even with Dubois we are outside of the wildcard spot

Depends where we play Bedard.

 

[salbutera]

Awesome, I'm sure you do.


Yes, Elliot would never throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks. Where's the quote from PLD? Did we find it yet? All of this is based on one comment, where, when asked if he would like to play in Montreal, he responded yes.

Let’s create a 100 page thread about this goood, not great player.

Historically Friedman never takes a strong position about a players movement to a certain team unless he’s been assured by inside sources.

The level of certainty wrt to PLD becoming a Hab is something very rare for Friedman - he’s not one to put his reputation on the line like that.

 

[Rapala]

Historically Friedman never takes a strong position about a players movement to a certain team unless he’s been assured by inside sources.

The level of certainty wrt to PLD becoming a Hab is something very rare for Friedman - he’s not one to put his reputation on the line like that.

What I'd like to know is what is the possible scenario that equates to 5%. Friedman isn't exactly out on a limb that can break.

 

[le_sean]

I like him much more as a winger, FWIW, it's where I see the most potential in him. He's not much of a two way center, it's not really his game. Can't help but think he would mix very well on the left of Suzuki and Caufield too, the fit seems pretty natural. He did say multiple times that he sees himself as a center though and there's more money in being a center.

He’ll likely split duties with Suzuki. Neither are good at faceoffs but will slightly improve if they each only take some on their strong side. Or maybe the plan is to put Dach back with them and have PLD centre the 2nd line.

 

[JoelWarlord]

What I'd like to know is what is the possible scenario that equates to 5%. Friedman isn't exactly out on a limb that can break.

My guess would be it's the chance that Montreal and Winnipeg don't figure out a trade this summer and he ends up getting traded to a contender that needs a 2C for next year like Carolina, Colorado, Boston, etc. and then ends up really enjoying his time there and decides to stay.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

...And let's post the equivalent of 10 pages of being a contrarian.

Still no quote, interesting. Instead call me a contrarian for stating the truth. We are acting like him coming here is a done deal and the only thing we need to do is throw some lowball offer towards the Jets.

If we are that certain he wants to come here then we shouldn't need to give up important assets to make it happen.

 

[Kimota]

There is this old and broken belief that we should not pay a high price to acquire player or we should sign player to the lowest aav and "best contract".

I know you are being sarcastic but him playing well is an absolute pleasure and an eye-opener to those who thinks we dont need him. It hurts to overpay grinder. It never hurts to pay your stars their due.

Good business is a fair deal for both side. Its not about f***ing the other side.

I'm just going with the point of view in fear that we cannot afford him. And that other teams may have the weapons to give the Jets more.

But yea Serge Savard used to say it's a good deal when it hurts for both sides. lol

 

[OnTheRun]

I'm just going with the point of view in fear that we cannot afford him. And that other teams may have the weapons to give the Jets more.

But yea Serge Savard used to say it's a good deal when it hurts for both sides. lol

We don't have control over that and technically PLD has the power to nix any trade he doesn't want to be part of.

 

[salbutera]

Still no quote, interesting. Instead call me a contrarian for stating the truth. We are acting like him coming here is a done deal and the only thing we need to do is throw some lowball offer towards the Jets.

If we are that certain he wants to come here then we shouldn't need to give up important assets to make it happen.

PLD is still 1-full season away from autonomy (UFA), in the interim he’s Jets property and they control his destiny, should some team wish to roll the dice and cough up assets to acquire now, Habs would need to increase offer to acquire.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

PLD is still 1-full season away from autonomy (UFA), in the interim he’s Jets property and they control his destiny, should some team wish to roll the dice and cough up assets to acquire now, Habs would need to increase offer to acquire.

That’s not how this works though. If his only choice is to play for the Habs, some other team acquiring him for a season doesn’t change that.

I mean it’s a 95% certainty he’s a hab haha, but we have to cough up 1st round picks and prospects just in case. Story, doesn’t checkout.

 

[salbutera]

That’s not how this works though. If his only choice is to play for the Habs, some other team acquiring him for a season doesn’t change that.

I mean it’s a 95% certainty he’s a hab haha, but we have to cough up 1st round picks and prospects just in case. Story, doesn’t checkout.

How so?

PLD has one of 3 options for 2023-2024 season: play for Jets, a team they decide to deal him to or sit out the season.

Friedman never mentioned anything regarding acquisition cost

 

[Destopcorner]

I'm just going with the point of view in fear that we cannot afford him. And that other teams may have the weapons to give the Jets more.

But yea Serge Savard used to say it's a good deal when it hurts for both sides. lol

Of course we can afford him... there's numerous assets ready to be shipped out for a PLD quality asset.

Hugo doesnt want to take the chance with someone like Colorado or Boston trading for him. What if he signs there long term or comes UFA and gets ridiculous offers we don't wanna compete with. Yall know some team will offer 10m if PLD reach UFA status.

Imo that's why Hugo will pay the price this summer. In the perpective he really wants PLD, there's too much risk involved if he waits.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Yesterday on the Sick podcast (scroll to 20:30 of the podcast) portzline who covers Columbus said that PLD expected an offer sheet from Montreal and when he didn’t get it he stopped playing forcing Kerko to trade him. Says PLDs number one desire is to play for MTL and that he’s a 30-50-80 centre in the league.