Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

“Would you rather that the Habs trade for Dubois or instead wait and try to sign him when he becomes


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salbutera

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That I understand but Jets are not rebuilding. Maybe Jets GM is not a good negotiator? They gave Laine to get Dubois. If He doesn't ask at least for Dach, I don't get it.
Chevaldayoff is a realist, he understands the market he represents is attractive to pretty much only northern mid westerners (Minny, Wisconsin, Michigan) & some prairie kids. That’s why about 1/4 of the team are players from Minny, Wis, or Mich - they’re the only ones who this far seem very open to long term deals. Byfuglien, Wheeler, Hellebuyck, Connor, and a Pionk (who was specifically targeted in Trouba deal).
 
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Why not sign and trade this summer instead. Why would we need to wait until January? Unless WIN is already out of the playoffs at X-Mas, why would they trade Dubois in January?

I don't understand where you are coming from?
Because it’s considerably more expensive to trade for him this summer when Winnipeg has more leverage.
 

ChesterNimitz

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Wait until UFA next year, if it's meant to be then it'll happen. It also gives us another year of tanking.
A pretty simple but insightful approach. I have a strong feeling that if we sign Dubois to a log-term, expensive contract, there will be many here who, in just a few years will be lamenting its adverse affects on our cap flexibility and rueing our decision to acquire this player.
 

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Why some seems to think Dubois won't cost a lot to acquire? Even if he really wants to come here, Jets ain't going to do Habs any favors.

Tkachuck wanted to play with the Panthers. Florida have to give Huberdeau. Yes Tkachuk and Dubois not of the same level, but still.

What if Winnipeg asked for Dach +? Would you want Hugues to pull the trigger?

Ppl are offering Dvorak or Anderson. Jets are in win now mode. They need a second center. Not Dvorak?
Perfetti as 2nd C. Dvorak as 3rd C. Lowry as 4th C.

I have heard ZERO people suggest they wouldn't wait until Free Agency if the Jets' demands were too high.

Beyond that, the question of too high shifts from person to person, but Dach, Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle, Xhekaj, Farrell and Hutson all seem to be on the no-fly list for a trade with the Jets.
 
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Because it’s considerably more expensive to trade for him this summer when Winnipeg has more leverage.
I don't see WIN trading Dubois in January. At the trade deadline, if they are out of the series, maybe. If they are in the playoff picture, I think they die with Dubois next year, personally, if he's still with them at the start of next year.

WIN is both frugal and in need of more revenue. The possibility of going to a 2nd series with all their players next year would outweigh losing Dubois for nothing as an UFA at that point, IMO.

A pretty simple but insightful approach. I have a strong feeling that if we sign Dubois to a log-term, expensive contract, there will be many here who, in just a few years will be lamenting its adverse affects on our cap flexibility and rueing our decision to acquire this player.
Sorry, Chester. No insight other than you agree with it because you probably don't want Dubois to begin with.

A pretty simple approach, yes, but in no way insightful. Come on...
 

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That I understand but Jets are not rebuilding. Maybe Jets GM is not a good negotiator? They gave Laine to get Dubois. If He doesn't ask at least for Dach, I don't get it.
Laine + Roslovic was an overpay by the Jets to beat the Habs's offer. It only happened because Jets GM was sure that Dubois's dad was going to convince his son to sign long term with them, despite everyone knowing Dubois wanted to go to the Habs already back then.

That Anderson and Savard made it to the Habs before him is the craziest part of all of this saga.
 
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I think some posters live in the past. Probably think it's another Drouin situation and might be the same posters who said Danault is not worth any more than $3.5M and he's just a 3C. In love with KK just as much as they think Dach is a full time center now. The work at center is done and we don't need Dubois :facepalm:
Drouin is still with the team so how can people be living in the past? Thinking there is only one player or path to success is literally narrow minded.
 

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I don't see WIN trading Dubois in January. At the trade deadline, if they are out of the series, maybe. If they are in the playoff picture, I think they die with Dubois next year, personally, if he's still with them at the start of next year.

WIN is both frugal and in need of more revenue. The possibility of going to a 2nd series with all their players next year would outweigh losing Dubois for nothing as an UFA at that point, IMO.


Sorry, Chester. No insight other than you agree with it because you probably don't want Dubois to begin with.

A pretty simple approach, yes, but in no way insightful. Come on...
The insightfulness of the post is based on the time-frame of its approach. We are at least two years from being competitive. The acquisition of any high priced player while we are acquiring additional young assets and shedding bloated unproductive contracts would be counterproductive. The timing of acquiring key free agent players is truly an important facet of the art of team building. In this writer’s opinion, this is not the time to plunge into the free agency market nor is Dubois the player I would get ‘wet’ for.
 

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I wouldn't trade Dach to get Dubois. It's at best a lateral move, and Dach could end up being better. It wouldn't make sense from the Habs' perspective and I strongly doubt Hughes would be willing to trade him after the season he just had.
Not a chance, if that's what Winnipeg wants they can keep Dubois and we can target him in the summer of 24 if he "really" wants to be here.. At best, they're getting the Florida pick and a young D prospect, nothing else unless they want Hoffman who they can use for the season and flipp him at the TDL if things don't go well for the Jets.
 
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Drouin is still with the team so how can people be living in the past? Thinking there is only one player or path to success is literally narrow minded.

Living in the past cause we traded a value future for Drouin and some think Dubois will fade and disappoint in Montreal after he gets the big contract. That's what I meant.
 

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Why some seems to think Dubois won't cost a lot to acquire? Even if he really wants to come here, Jets ain't going to do Habs any favors.

Tkachuck wanted to play with the Panthers. Florida have to give Huberdeau. Yes Tkachuk and Dubois not of the same level, but still.

What if Winnipeg asked for Dach +? Would you want Hugues to pull the trigger?

Ppl are offering Dvorak or Anderson. Jets are in win now mode. They need a second center. Not Dvorak?

The Horvat trade is the best comparable
 

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A pretty simple but insightful approach. I have a strong feeling that if we sign Dubois to a log-term, expensive contract, there will be many here who, in just a few years will be lamenting its adverse affects on our cap flexibility and rueing our decision to acquire this player.
The cap certainly has to be taken into account. If they acquire PLD, they could have Suzuki, PLD and Caufield all making ~ 8M, plus 3 more players in the top 6 who were all top 5 draft picks. (Slaf, Dach, 2023 1st). If they have success they’ll want to get paid which could put a strain on the Cap if the Habs want a legit top pairing D and quality goaltender.

Having said that, there are ways to deal with it.

For example, they could bring the young guys along slowly, on the 3rd line. More likelihood of a bridge contract, and delay big money until Gally and Andy are gone. (See Rangers Laffy and Kakko)

Also, they could use a later round players in the top 6. Their immediate contract demands won’t be so high if they have success. (See Penguins Rust and Guentzel)

Something like, in 2024:
Caufield - Suzuki - RHP/Farrell
Dubois - Dach - Anderson
Slaf - the Fresh Prince - Mesar

It buys a little time vs loading up the top 6.
 

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It is hard to vote actually.
- PLD is very good player and still only 24, so third option is not correct.
- Sign him next summer as UFA sounds tempting, but not very realistic. If we wait, WIN will trade him somewhere else.
- So realistically, we need to trade for PLD. Then you need to pay right price and still sign him to long-term contract (something like 8x8M). It is hard to decide if we really want to do all this, because it is still a risky move.
 
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It is hard to vote actually.
- PLD is very good player and still only 24, so third option is not correct.
- Sign him next summer as UFA sounds tempting, but not very realistic. If we wait, WIN will trade him somewhere else.
- So realistically, we need to trade for PLD. Then you need to pay right price and still sign him to long-term contract (something like 8x8M). It is hard to decide if we really want to do all this, because it is still a risky move.
Where do you get the 8x8M?

But I agree he will be traded somewhere else because Montreal fans are confortable missing the PO for the next 5 years, the culture of losing/tanking is understood and well establish. Boston Bruins are the opposite.
 

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Where do you get the 8x8M?

But I agree he will be traded somewhere else because Montreal fans are confortable missing the PO for the next 5 years, the culture of losing/tanking is understood and well establish. Boston Bruins are the opposite.
8x8 is Suzuki's contract and PLD is at least as good as Nick. There will be several teams fighting for PLD, so no need for him to go below his price.
I don't agree with the PO part. In two years, this team will make PO.
 
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8x8 is Suzuki's contract and PLD is at least as good as Nick. There will be several teams fighting for PLD, so no need for him to go below his price.
I don't agree with the PO part. In two years, this team will make PO.
Hopefully we'll move from that losing years. I read threads and I see acceptable losing culture amongs Habs fans. Like if 2 years or 6 years is about the same. Tanking, tanking and more tanking. Let's build a winning team and win the Cup when Caufield and Suzuki will be 29 years old. See what I mean?

When will we say stop the tanking and start to win?
 

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Why some seems to think Dubois won't cost a lot to acquire? Even if he really wants to come here, Jets ain't going to do Habs any favors.

Tkachuck wanted to play with the Panthers. Florida have to give Huberdeau. Yes Tkachuk and Dubois not of the same level, but still.

What if Winnipeg asked for Dach +? Would you want Hugues to pull the trigger?

Ppl are offering Dvorak or Anderson. Jets are in win now mode. They need a second center. Not Dvorak?
There is no way I trade Dach for Dubois, no way.
 

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There is no way I trade Dach for Dubois, no way.

10000% agree. I'm pretty sure the Jets asked for Dach last draft as well. It's just not happening.

My offers are depended on circumstance of information. What Brisson told Hughes and Gorton last summer when Dubois was a RFA, matters a lot

Low Offer (Because Dubois will wait for us to reach UFA and is willing to sign a fair deal... $8M - $8.5M range)
* Beck
* Harris
* Habs 2nd rounder
* Engstrom

High Offer (Because Dubois is very interested in signing with us but he is also considering the Avs and maybe 2 other teams):
* Panthers 1st
* Beck
* Possibly a NHL contract (Dvorak, Eddy, Harris, Armia, Hoffman). If they don't want a NHL contract, it's not a deal breaker
* Maybe a B prospect (Tuch or Kapanen type)
 

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I prefer that while under contract a player can tell his current team but shouldn't tell the entire world. This weakens his current team. Professional courtesy to the current team that pays your salary.

But when it was made public through his agent he wasn't under contract.
 
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Surprised so many are willing to risk not trading for him. If he hits the UFA market, he’s likely not signing here…

Regarding losing assets in a trade for him… who cares? The point of acquiring assets is to use them to build out our core.

Dubois instantly becomes our best forward, wants to be here, and fits this core’s age group. We have so many assets if value that aren’t even considered main pieces to our core.
 
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Not a chance, if that's what Winnipeg wants they can keep Dubois and we can target him in the summer of 24 if he "really" wants to be here.. At best, they're getting the Florida pick and a young D prospect, nothing else unless they want Hoffman who they can use for the season and flipp him at the TDL if things don't go well for the Jets.

I 100% expect the offer to be:

Florida's 1st
Harris/young d prospect
Dvorak/roster player about 4million cap hit (not dach)
 
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Jets fans are pretty adamant that they don't want or need a LHD.

I think they want RHD, C or RW prospects.
 

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Surprised so many are willing to risk not trading for him. If he hits the UFA market, he’s likely not signing here…

Regarding losing assets in a trade for him… who cares? The point of acquiring assets is to use them to build out our core.

Dubois instantly becomes our best forward, wants to be here, and fits this core’s age group. We have so many assets if value that aren’t even considered main pieces to our core.
I am trying to figure out the last time a player was brought in of this magnitude that actually panned out. I mean a guy you sign for 7/8 years, not something like a Dach trade which was very low risk.
I just don't know if Dubois is the solution.

I 100% expect the offer to be:

Florida's 1st
Harris/young d prospect
Dvorak/roster player about 4million cap hit (not dach)
Sorry but why would Winnipeg be remotely interested in Christian Dvorak?
 
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