ISS new top 10 list for 2011

[Bjorn Le]

Its the Tavares or Hedman debate all over again.

Couturier is 6`3 and is still a year away from being drafted, and put up 41 Goals and 96 Points, and again still has one more season to go before being drafted. I would put this kid up against Hall and Seguin, except he`s bigger and probably will be better

Probably will be better? How can you say that. Hes not even drafted yet, and hes also in the weakest leauge. I doubt Couturier could have put up better stats than Hall and Seguin at that age in the OHL.

And no its not the Tavares vs Hedman. Larsson is better than Hedman was at his age, and Tavares was better than Couturier was at his age.

Remember Esposito, the guy people said when he was the same age as Couturier was a potential number 1 pick?

Couturier and Larsson is a lot closer than a lot of people think, but don't try to claim this early that Couturier will probably be better than Hall and Seguin.

 

[headsigh]

Can someone give a guy who doesn't know Jack about 2011 tell
me how these guys play? Comparisons?

 

[Em Ancien]

How Couturier can be ranked ahead of Larsson at this point is beyond me.

 

[STHLM*]

Its the Tavares or Hedman debate all over again.

Couturier is 6`3 and is still a year away from being drafted, and put up 41 Goals and 96 Points, and again still has one more season to go before being drafted. I would put this kid up against Hall and Seguin, except he`s bigger and probably will be better

Really?

Couturier's numbers aren't great as Tavares' numbers.

But Larsson as 17 years old had 17 points. Hedman as 17 years old had 4 points.

Larsson is also one year from the draft and he's 6'3 220lbs.

The next big thing for Larsson: to break Hedman's record 21 points(for U18 or U20 players) and since he was only 4 points behind last year I think he will fix this easily. But Of course no matter how great the swedish prospects do, it will be a Canadian again.

 

[Draiskull]

Victor related to Tukka?

I guess he'll be going to BOS with TOR's pick :p

 

[SympathyForTheDevils]

Yes, and don't understand why? I guess it's all about Canadian bias. Because prospect wise I don't see any reason to put Couturier above Larsson.

I think every post I've seen from you was about either Larsson, MPS or Backstrom, usually arguing that they're the greatest thing since sliced bread, often under that form: (swedish player) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (non-swedish player)

What's more likely, that the ISS, a respected scouting service, has a Canadian bias or that you have a Swedish bias? Personally, I'd go with the latter.

At the very least, this shows that there is a debate about who's the no 1 in the 2011 draft class.

 

[RangerRed]

Probably will be better? How can you say that. Hes not even drafted yet, and hes also in the weakest leauge. I doubt Couturier could have put up better stats than Hall and Seguin at that age in the OHL.

And no its not the Tavares vs Hedman. Larsson is better than Hedman was at his age, and Tavares was better than Couturier was at his age.

Remember Esposito, the guy people said when he was the same age as Couturier was a potential number 1 pick?

Couturier and Larsson is a lot closer than a lot of people think, but don't try to claim this early that Couturier will probably be better than Hall and Seguin.

Due respect to ISS, I don't even think this is a cut and dried two man race.

 

[SympathyForTheDevils]

Probably will be better? How can you say that. Hes not even drafted yet, and hes also in the weakest leauge. I doubt Couturier could have put up better stats than Hall and Seguin at that age in the OHL.

And no its not the Tavares vs Hedman. Larsson is better than Hedman was at his age, and Tavares was better than Couturier was at his age.

Remember Esposito, the guy people said when he was the same age as Couturier was a potential number 1 pick?

Couturier and Larsson is a lot closer than a lot of people think, but don't try to claim this early that Couturier will probably be better than Hall and Seguin.

I agree with your post, except for two things.

It's not a stretch to think Couturier could equal Seguin in the OHL at that age, since it's only last season that Seguin really broke out.

Esposito and Couturier are not comparable. Esposito's hype was based on his numbers, which were very inflated by playing with the best player in the CHL. Couturier is the best player on his team, so no such concern.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

I strongly believe that Adam Larsson is the best 17 year old prospect since Sidney Crosby.

I haven't seen nearly enough of Couturier to get a good read on him but he's impressive.

 

[Bjorn Le]

Due respect to ISS, I don't even think this is a cut and dried two man race.

Yeah, there probably isn't, Larsson probably will go first overall barring an amazing performace by Couturier next year, but its not going to be like Couturier won't get any attention as a possible number 1 pick.

I agree with your post, except for two things.

It's not a stretch to think Couturier could equal Seguin in the OHL at that age, since it's only last season that Seguin really broke out.

Esposito and Couturier are not comparable. Esposito's hype was based on his numbers, which were very inflated by playing with the best player in the CHL. Couturier is the best player on his team, so no such concern.

Yeah I realized after my post Seguins numbers werent that special in his first season.

And yeah Esposito was mostly hype and people realized that, and yeah Radulov inflated his stats, but at the time people thought it was because he was skilled enough to be the first overall pick, even scouts thought that.

 

[Tigers1992]

Really?

Couturier's numbers aren't great as Tavares' numbers.

But Larsson as 17 years old had 17 points. Hedman as 17 years old had 4 points.

Larsson is also one year from the draft and he's 6'3 220lbs.

The next big thing for Larsson: to break Hedman's record 21 points(for U18 or U20 players) and since he was only 4 points behind last year I think he will fix this easily. But Of course no matter how great the swedish prospects do, it will be a Canadian again.

I will ask politely for a 3rd time..how often have you seen Couturier play?

 

[RangerRed]

Yeah, there probably isn't, Larsson probably will go first overall barring an amazing performace by Couturier next year, but its not going to be like Couturier won't get any attention as a possible number 1 pick.

No, I meant I see more than two possibilities for the first overall pick.

 

[Corey Pronman]

I'm not that sold on Couturier as most, at least I don't see the high-end skill set that makes him a legit, undisputed top 2 pick material especially by how he moves (I don't think he moves bad, just not at that level). I wonder if he was draft-eligible in 2010 where he would've gone.

 

[Alberta tough]

I will ask again, how many times have you actually seen Couturier play?

I would like to know this too. Also when and against what team. He sure is coming across as an expert on Coutrier. I am betting he is trolling.

 

[LucicTrain*]

Couturier - Seguin - Horton in 2012

 

[Tigers1992]

I would like to know this too. Also when and against what team. He sure is coming across as an expert on Coutrier. I am betting he is trolling.

Truthfully I have never seen either play live, so until I do i will reserve judgement.

 

[Dogbert*]

I would like to know this too. Also when and against what team. He sure is coming across as an expert on Coutrier. I am betting he is trolling.

He isn't trolling. Just another Swedish poster with an inferiority complex towards Canada. They're beginning to rival the Russians with their obsession.

 

[Tigers1992]

He isn't trolling. Just another Swedish poster with an inferiority complex towards Canada. They're beginning to rival the Russians with their obsession.

Who knows.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt, but if he has not seen him play, then it is pretty sad that he is so set against a player that he has no idea about.

We will see.

 

[bruinsfan46]

Victor related to Tukka?

I guess he'll be going to BOS with TOR's pick :p

There's no relation I'm guessing, Victor's Swedish and Tuukka's Finnish. Tuukka's actual brother Joonas was taken 198th this year by Nashville.

 

[Garl]

Adam Larsson vs Couturier, well, Sean's stats in Q are really impressive, but at that point Adam Larsson has done too much to not be considered a 1st ranked player for 2011 draft. If it was Couturier vs Hedman there could be a debate, but right now it just seems like a NA bias to me.

And no, there' no swedish bias from me this time, I would even say that Rask at #3 surprised me, though he's good.

P.S. Tuuka Rask and Victor Rask obviously are not related.

 

[Jussi]

Where is this list?

 

[vippe]

He isn't trolling. Just another Swedish poster with an inferiority complex towards Canada. They're beginning to rival the Russians with their obsession.

Yeah there are posters like this from every country. Even from your beloved Canada.


Very surprised to see Rask as #3.. I was quite sure he would have a top10 position but top 3?

Adam vs Sean... I think it's quite safe to say they will go #1 and #2.. It'll be fun to see, I have only read things about Sean and never seen him play, hopefully I'll get to see him in the WJC. Adam is a stud though and whatever team get's him will be very happy.

 

[Nalyd Psycho]

Couturier's numbers aren't great as Tavares' numbers.

This comparison lacks context. Production wise, Tavares was better than Gretzky. At 16 Tavares scored more goals and lead the league doing it while Gretzky not only scored less, but top scorers scored more that year.

Numbers were never a problem with Tavares. if everything was about numbers, Tavares would have challenged for the scoring title as an 18 year old rookie.

Tavares had serious holes in the game that many scouts believed he would never be able to solve, but at the CHL level, they mattered less.

Couturier on the other hand has no clear flaws in his game. So his numbers can be taken much more at face value. While Tavares' couldn't.

 

[Hotsauce]

This draft could yield a US power forward at number one.

 

[bottomofthefoodchain]

Victor related to Tukka?

I guess he'll be going to BOS with TOR's pick :p

No they are not related.
They are not even from the same country.


Btw, is there a REAL source here? I wouldn't trust Wikipedia on this.